Ukraine war mega thread

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Cyrus Janssen (@thecyrusjanssen): "The accusations from 🇺🇸 that #China will militarily support #Russia in this war does not bode well for the important phone call between #JoeBiden and #XiJinping today…small 🧵 why:"|nitter

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weird but not surprising that you associate this tragedy with some sexual connotation, krauts.....

Sexual innuendo? That'd be you, not me . . . soap-dodging island monkey inbreds . . . sheesh . . .

Care to stop stalking me or ar you always too pissed to know what you're doing?

From reading some of the posts in this thread,It seems that the same people who argue that Russia is a paper tiger that can't even conquer a city not far from it's border, defended by a second grade military
Also argue that Russia is a dangerous threat to Europe that can only be contained through easterly Nato expansion .
Personally I can't reconcile these diametrically opposed views held by the same people.
Perhaps some one can explain it to me.

I think it's quite clear that Russia is - and always has been for most Europeans - the threat to safety and security. If you were European and lived in Europe you'd possibly also think so . . . remember Communism and the enslavement of Eastern Europe?

Russia's army as such may not be brilliant but it is their nuclear power which dominates this threat and NATO is irrelevant in this context.

[David48atTD]

I tracked down the information source.

FRIDAYEVERYDAY is the online arm of Friday Culture Ltd, a group of friends from Hong Kong who want to present our beloved city and country through the eyes of the people who live here.


They are the same guys who bought you (I posted it in Willy's Tiananmen Square thread) ... "THE MYTH OF THE “Tiananmen Square massacre” is arguably the most successful disinformation campaign of modern times"

[harrybarracuda]

Sabang posting chinky propaganda bullshit again? You surprise me.

[sabang]

You really should read Nury's article, and maybe even read up on Nury Vitachi himself. But no matter, the smart readers do not need to be reminded of that, and the boneheads do not want to know.

[sabang]

““Crimea returned to Russia following a referendum. We have millions of refugees from Iraq, from Syria, and nobody from Crimea. And there are 2.5 million people living there. It means that everything suits everyone, it means that it all really happened according to the will of the people, ”- MEP from France Thierry Mariani

The logic of a healthy person.”



““Crimea returned to Russia following a referendum. We have millions of refugees from Iraq, from Syria, and nobody from Crimea. And there are 2.5 million people living there. It means that everything suits everyone, it means that it all really happen - The Russian Bear

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Crimea returned to Russia following a referendum.

it means that it all really happened according to the will of the people,

Thierry Mariani

Political groups shun far-right pro-Kremlin MEP

Political groups shun far-right pro-Kremlin MEP

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Crimea returned to Russia following a referendum.

You still on about that bullshit? Go on, champagne (domestic) socialist, tell us some more.

[David48atTD]

maybe even read up on Nury Vitachi himself.

Little difficult to take the guy seriously.

... of, and yes, Russia did invade Ukraine.

Also not what I would call a heavyweight in influential media.

That channel has only be going for about a year. Some videos have a few as a few hundred views.

[David48atTD]

This hopefully should give the Ukraine defences a bit more range

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Ukrainian troops have recaptured territory in a key battle for eastern city in the Donbas, officials say

Ukrainian forces have recaptured part of Severodonetsk, an eastern city in the Luhansk Oblast of Ukraine, which has been the focus of Russia's offensive, according to officials.

Speaking on national television on Friday — day 100 of the Russian invasion — the governor of the Luhansk province, Sergiy Gaidai said that Ukrainian troops have managed to regain 20% of the land they lost to Russian forces, Reuters reports.

During his address, Gaidai said he is waiting to have "enough Western long-range weapons," which he said will be used to "push their artillery away from our positions. And then, believe me, the Russian infantry, they will just run," Reuters reported.

Writing on Telegram, Gaidi has said that the Russians "threw all forces" to capture the industrial city and have blown up bridges to stop Ukrainian forces from bringing military supplies and humanitarian aid to civilians.

While the number of Russian troops being killed in combat continues to rise — Western estimates suggest that up to 15,000 Russian troops have been killed, and Ukraine puts the figure as high as 30,000 — Ukraine is also facing mounting losses.

Speaking in an address on June 1, President Zelenskyy admitted that the Ukrainian troops are losing 60 to 100 soldiers a day, saying 'the situation in the east of Ukraine is very difficult."

However, the Russian advance in the eastern regions of Ukraine will not last, analysts told Insider before the latest reports from Severodonetsk emerged.

Speaking to Insider, Mathieu Boulègue, a senior research fellow on the Russia and Eurasia Programme at Chatham House, said that over the next few weeks, there will be "a shift between movement warfare, the advance of troops, to positional warfare. Basically, Russia is bunkering down inside Ukrainian territory."

He added that the current advance will grind to a halt. The Russians are "full of exhaustion and this exhaustion will turn into attrition," which he said has been mirrored in Kherson.

"We see this in Kherson, where Russia is bunkering down, instead of being more offensive and pushing deeper in Ukraine. This is what we see in Donbas," said Boulègue.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukra...ficials-2022-6

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[harrybarracuda]

Puffy threatens to bomb more people if the US gives Ukraine new artillery.

As opposed to bombing more people if they don't.

He's a bit of a thick c u n t really, isn't he?

Kyiv was rocked by multiple explosions overnight after Russian warplanes fired missiles from the Caspian Sea, as Vladimir Putin issued a warning to the West over supplying long-range missiles to Ukraine.
The Russian President said Russia would strike new targets if the United States started supplying Ukraine with longer-range missiles, the Russian TASS news agency reported.

Ukraine war: Explosions rock Kyiv overnight as Ukrainian forces counter attack in Severodonetsk | World News | Sky News

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I believe Russia zapped some large warehouse in Kiev in the last day or so. I doubt it contained baby food.

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I believe Russia zapped some large warehouse in Kiev in the last day or so.

They would be doing a hell of a lot more of that if they had the munitions.

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The meat grinder is real...

Russian forces have lost ground in Severodonetsk, a key city in eastern Ukraine that has been the scene of ferocious fighting as Moscow seeks to gain control of Donbas, a regional governor said Sunday.

"The Russians were in control of about 70 percent of the city, but have been forced back over the past two days," Lugansk regional governor Sergiy Gaiday wrote on Telegram.

"The city is divided in two. They are afraid to move freely around the city."

The region of Lugansk has been partly controlled by pro-Russian separatists since 2014. Severodonetsk is the administrative capital of the Ukrainian part.

Gaiday said that Ukrainian forces had captured eight Russian prisoners.

He suggested that Russian general Aleksandr Dvornikov "has set himself a target of taking full control of Severodonetsk by June 10, or controlling the Lysychansk-Bakhmut road" which would open the way to Kramatorsk, the capital of the Donetsk region.

"All of the forces, all of the reserves are concentrating on these two tasks," Gaiday said.

On Saturday, Russia's army had claimed some Ukrainian military units were withdrawing from Severodonetsk but mayor Oleksandr Striuk said Ukrainian forces were fighting to retake the city.

"Our soldiers have managed to redeploy, build a line of defence," he said in an interview broadcast on Telegram Saturday.

"We are currently doing everything necessary to re-establish total control" of the city.

Russians Have Lost Ground in Severodonetsk: Regional Governor - The Moscow Times

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Empire managers: Putin invaded Ukraine!

Public: Oh no! What should we do about it?

Empire managers: Greatly increase military spending, work to weaken Russia, and censor dissenting opinions.

Public: Wait, aren’t those things you’ve always wanted to do anyway?

Empire managers: Hush.

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Russian propaganda poses a much smaller threat to the western world than the various government agendas that are being rolled out under the justification of fighting Russian propaganda.
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Fuel prices are soaring in part because of an economic war the US empire willfully initiated in response to a proxy war the US empire deliberately provoked and westerners are being trained to look at their shrinking bank accounts and yell “Damn you, Putin!”


Only by massive amounts of propaganda would people consent to unprecedented acts of economic warfare which directly hurt them and benefit them in no way shape or form.
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As the world slides closer to nuclear war it would be cool if Americans could take a break from a debate about gun laws that will with absolute certainty lead nowhere and seriously discuss whether they want their government waging a rapidly escalating proxy war against Russia.
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The spectrum of acceptable debate on US foreign policy ranges from (A) war hawks who insist the US has never done anything wrong to (B) “progressives” who say the US is basically a good faith actor who just makes well-intentioned oopsie poopsie mistakes but should still definitely keep arming Ukraine. Position (B) is the furthest you’re allowed to go away from “the US never does anything wrong” in mainstream discourse. It includes Bernie Sanders’ foreign policy advisor, who smears and dismisses leftists who say the US is acting in a malignant way in Ukraine.

No voice at all is ever given to the (in my opinion correct) position that the US is a tyrannical regime whose immense body count is explained not by accidents but by the desire to dominate the world at any cost. The elimination of this position from the debate is by design.
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Sure noble wars can be fought in theory and have been fought in practice. It’s just that you’ve got swamp water for brains if you believe that’s what the US is doing.
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Never attribute to conspiracy what can be adequately explained by the inevitable corruption and tyranny of status quo capitalism.
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Whatever ends up collapsing the US empire is far less likely to come from Russia or China than from the US empire itself.
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A big part of the western nervousness about China revolves around the fact that we’re about to be surpassed by an ancient civilization of non-white people who are indigenous to their land and have never been truly conquered and colonized by Europeans.
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If you don’t respect the way China has been able to pull so many of its people out of extreme poverty, and don’t get why such actions would cause such unified support for their government, it’s simply because you lack an adequate understanding of the anguish of extreme poverty.
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I’ve met some cute kids in my time but nobody’s as adorable as westerners who talk about Chinese people being propagandized.
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The Chinese government exerts a lot of power over its population, but it also takes responsibility for the way it uses that power. The USA’s rulers exert a comparable amount of power over its population, but they never take any responsibility for what they do with it.
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FULL- The US Empire Will Be Defeated By The US Empire: Notes From The Edge Of The Narrative Matrix | by Caitlin Johnstone | Jun, 2022 | Medium

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More utter idiocy by another Russian shill. Once again dummy you said this war would never happen. You were made a fool of. Since then you and the other shills have changed tack and tried to push blame for this unprovoked invasion of a democratic nation on the US.

Only a blinkered imbecile such as yourself would buy into such utter idiocy.

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Ukraine is launching counter-offensives all over the country, and they are having success. This video shows why...

[harrybarracuda]

More utter idiocy by another Russian shill.

He can't help himself, he's got a crush on the fat moose.

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The meat grinder is real...

The Ukrainian forces reversed a Russian advance in Severodonetsk and recaptured about 20 percent of the strategic eastern city over the past couple of days, the governor of Luhansk province said.

Moscow, meanwhile, said Ukraine forces were retreating from the city after suffering heavy casualties.

Fierce fighting raged on Saturday in Severodonetsk and Lysychansk – the last two cities still not in full Russian control more than 100 days after Moscow invaded its western neighbour.

Governor Serhiy Haidai said Russian forces suffered severe defeats and were blowing up bridges across the Siverskyi Donets River to prevent Ukraine bringing in military reinforcements and delivering aid to civilians in Severodonetsk.

“Right now our soldiers have pushed them back. They [the Russians] are suffering huge casualties,” Haidai said in a live TV broadcast on Saturday. “The Russian army, as we understand, is throwing all its efforts, all its reserves in that direction.”

Al Jazeera could not independently confirm the claims.

Both sides have suffered punishing losses in street-by-street battles for the Soviet-era factory city, where roads have been riddled with craters and destroyed vehicles.

If Severodonetsk falls, neighbouring Lysychansk would be the last city that Russia needs to capture to have full control of Luhansk province, which along with Donetsk province makes up the Donbas.

The area has become the focus of Russia’s invasion as President Vladimir Putin seeks to rebuild momentum after a failed attempt to take the capital Kyiv.

‘Critical losses’

Russia’s army said on Saturday that Ukrainian soldiers were withdrawing from the city.

“Some units of the Ukrainian army – having suffered critical losses during fighting for Severodonetsk – are pulling out towards Lysychansk,” Severodonetsk’s twin city, which sits just across the Siverskyi Donets River, the defence ministry said in a statement.

It added, however, some Ukrainian fighters were still in the city and the Ukrainian army sought to contaminate the area to “delay” the Russian military operation.

“The Ukrainian authorities – having realised that it was impossible to resist further and to hold on to the industrial zone of Severodonetsk – ordered a mixed tactical unit to mine the tanks containing nitrate and nitric acid in the Azot factory,” the ministry said.

‘Nothing to come back to’

Ukraine’s military said on Saturday that Russia used artillery to conduct “assault operations” in Severodonetsk, but Russian forces retreated and Ukrainian troops were holding positions inside the city.

Ukrainian troops were still holding an industrial zone in Severodonetsk, Haidai said, a scenario reminiscent of Mariupol, where a steel factory was the eastern port city’s last holdout.

On Thursday, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said there had been “some progress” in the battle for Severodonetsk but gave no specifics.

In the city of Sloviansk, 80km (50 miles) from Severodonetsk, the mayor urged residents to evacuate in the face of intense Russian bombardment, with water and electricity cut off.

“The situation is getting worse,” student Gulnara Evgaripova told AFP news agency as she boarded a minibus to leave the city.

Ekaterina Perednenko, a paramedic, said: “I am scared that there will be nothing to come back to.”

Russia reinforces its troops

Ukraine’s military said Russia reinforced its troops and used artillery to conduct “assault operations” in Severodonetsk. But it said Russian forces retreated after failed attempts to advance in the nearby town of Bakhmut and cut off access to Severodonetsk.

Haidai said in a social media post four people were killed in Russian attacks in the region on Saturday, including a mother and a child.

Meanwhile, Britain’s defence ministry said Russia now controls more than 90 percent of Luhansk and is likely to take it over completely in the next two weeks.

Haidai said the progress made in the past two days shows that Ukraine may be able to hold off the Russian attack for that duration, the timeframe for the arrival of new, advanced Western weapons.

“As soon as we get a big amount of Western long-range weapons, we will push their artillery back … and then Russian infantry will run,” he said referring to the new arms aid announced by the Western allies.

Russian troops now occupy about 20 percent of Ukraine’s territory and Moscow has imposed a blockade on its Black Sea ports.

“The combined use of air and artillery strikes has been a key factor in Russia’s recent tactical successes in the region,” the UK’s defence ministry said in a assessment. It warned after launching so many guided missiles, Russia was employing unguided missiles that have “almost certainly caused substantial collateral damage and civilian casualties”.

‘Victory will be ours’

While Russian forces are concentrating on seizing the Donbas in the east, Ukrainian troops have staged counterattacks to try to regain territory in their country’s south.
After seizing most of the Kherson and Dnipropetrovsk regions, as well as the port city of Mariupol, Moscow has installed local administrators, offered residents Russian passports, and taken other steps to consolidate its hold on occupied areas.

The Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think-tank, said Russian-installed officials and troops faced growing resistance among the local population and “an increase in partisan activity in southern Ukraine”.

The institute cited accounts on Russian Telegram channels of threats against locals who received Russian passports.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said “certain results have been achieved”, pointing to the “liberation” of some areas fromwhat he called the “pro-Nazi armed forces of Ukraine”.

But the Ukrainian president remained defiant in a video message marking 100 days of the war.

“We have defended Ukraine for 100 days already,” he said. “Victory will be ours!”

Tens of thousands of people have died, millions have been uprooted from their homes, and the global economy disrupted in the war launched by Putin on February 24.

French President Emmanuel Macron, who has sought to maintain a dialogue with Putin throughout the war, said it is vital that Russia is not humiliated so when the fighting stops a diplomatic solution can be found.

Ukraine said on Saturday there was no point in negotiating with Russia until Moscow’s forces are pushed back as far as possible towards Ukraine’s borders.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba reacted to Macron’s comments saying such calls “only humiliate France” and any country taking a similar position.

“It is Russia that humiliates itself. We all better focus on how to put Russia in its place. This will bring peace and save lives,” Kuleba said.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...rainian-cities

[sabang]

No voice at all is ever given to the (in my opinion correct) position that the US is a tyrannical regime whose immense body count is explained not by accidents but by the desire to dominate the world at any cost. The elimination of this position from the debate is by design.

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The evidence is overwhelming that Russia is being ground down in Severodonetsk. This is the last big concentration of the Russian army. That said for the dummies who do not watch the videos I post Lysychansk is on hills above and that is why the Russians got pushed out of Severodonetsk. We will see how things go today, but Russia is getting pounded hard in the ass.

[sabang]

Another "Having their ass handed to them on a plate" post snubby? Gee whiz, we are getting used to them by now- what is wrong with those Maps?