Ukraine war mega thread

[harrybarracuda]

Over the past thirty years, the China-Russia relationship has made great progress, but it is still based on non-alliance, non-confrontation, and non-targeting of third countries.

Non targeting of third countries?

Do you actually swallow this chinky crap?

[harrybarracuda]

Tough shit.

Nothing wrong with helping the good guys.

[NamPikToot]

Sigh...

[Neverna]

It seems that 9th May could be a busy day for world news.

May 9th is Victory Day in Russia.
President Biden will sign the lend-lease law for Ukraine on May 9.
The UN Secretary General António Guterres will visit Moldova on May 9.
Ukraine allegedly plans to strike the Crimean Bridge on May 9.

Apparently it won't be such a busy day for people in the Odessa region as a curfew has been imposed by the regional military administration from 9pm on April 9th to 6pm on April 11th.

[harrybarracuda]

FFS they are giving them weapons and military aid, what fucking difference is there?

[Backspin]

I think Nev maybe referring to a situation where "defeat" in Ukraine means Putin will get backed into a situation where he'll use retaliatory measures like nuclear. I may be wrong.

Russia is hardly using 20% of its forces. It's making the donbas militia work for its independence.

The Russian military budget/PPP is 170 billion. Around the same as the UK , France , Germany and Holland combined. Yet here we have ppl thinking Russia is running out of stuff haha

[Neverna]

(Reuters) - All women, children and elderly people have been evacuated from the besieged Azovstal steel plant in the southern port of Mariupol, Ukraine's deputy prime minister said on Saturday.


All women, children and elderly evacuated from Azovstal, Ukraine's deputy PM says | Reuters

[helge]

Also, good because Russians have no place in Ukrainian lands, they are there artificial to begin with. Russia attempts to commit ethnic genocide by forcing Russians to squat on foreign lands to lay false claims. They have done it in Ukraine, Georgia and Moldavia. This has to be stopped.

Too good to be ignored

[misskit]

^^ The best news in quite a while.

[Norton]

As a general rule, espionage is carried out in secret

Yes, covert operations really must be kept covert.

[bsnub]

Russia is hardly using 20% of its forces. It's making the donbas militia work for its independence.

You have no idea how militaries work. Only a small percentage of an army serve in the combat arms when those units get ground down they become combat ineffective, and it takes months, even years to replace/replenish them. The Russians are taking massive rates of attrition, and they are running out of frontline units. The longer this war goes on, the more likely it will be that Russia will lose.

But you can keep pushing your lies and BS.

[bsnub]

According to the colonel, ''it takes a lot of time to send weapons, and these weapons are spent literally in one day. And more often than not, these Western weapons do not even have time to fall into the hands of the Ukrainian military on the front line''. ''According to the US defense department, the weapons that the West sends to Ukraine during the week - runs out within a day. This means that Western weapons are immediately used by the Ukrainians and most of these weapons are captured or destroyed by the Russians.

That is the biggest load of crap I have seen in some time. You are really desperate to push your false narrative.

I will stick to a more credible Australian Major General Mitch Ryan. He is a far more competent voice on the matter...

Ukrainians have shown they can out-think, out-influence and out-fight Russia. So what happens if Putin loses?

https://www.xxx.xxx.xx/news/2022-05-...tegy/101030510

[Norton]

''The Russian offensive in the Donbass is currently slow but steady and thorough, with significant artillery and infantry support. This is not a sign of weakness. Rather, it shows that the battalion tactical groups interact more closely with each other and are controlled centrally''

Identical to US in Vietnam and Afghanistan. Great stuff for killing scores of people Sab but as we know has fuck all to do with a "win" when all is said and done.

[sabang]

The silence from the MSM about captured Gen. Cadieu is embarassing!








Do you really believe he went to Ukraine as a volunteer as a mercenary and running a deep state top secret biolab without any given orders of government top officials.

As if we’re gonna believe he LEFT his service in April 5th…… just before he was captured. An old sex scandal suddenly became a disqualifying factor, he goes from top brass to �������������� ������ ���������� overnight, disappears off the radar to “retire"...and now look where he turns up. I can't wait for the Russians to expose what Kkkanadian tax dollars have been funding

More (lots more)- Reminder, “Free Media” already tried to discredit Trevor Cadieu ahead of what comes out (look at the date, convenient?) Kkkanada would throw its own Nazi op away like a used up napkin.
- Ukraine Uncensored

[bsnub]

Identical to US in Vietnam and Afghanistan. Great stuff for killing scores of people Sab but as we know has fuck all to do with a "win" when all is said and done.

It would be great stuff for Russia if it were true, but it isn't. The actual reality is that the troops are disorganized and pathetically trained, logistic have broken down in many cases, and they are forced to communicate on open unencrypted frequencies that are often blocked by the Ukrainians. Sabang is posting mostly propaganda and falsehoods, just like skiddy. Not to be believed.

[sabang]

Great stuff for killing scores of people Sab but as we know has fuck all to do with a "win" when all is said and done.

I think it's called a quagmire norts. I reckon the Colonel is right about the Russian Army taking DPR / LPR, but it seems a distinctly Pyrrhic proposition for them to push it further west territorially, where civilian sympathies are considerably less one sided.

[bsnub]

As I have mentioned a few days ago, Russia is being driven out of Kharkiv oblast...

Ukrainian forces may soon force Russian troops out of artillery range of Kharkiv, according to an assessment that says the fight in the Donbass region is entering a decisive phase. U.S. think tank the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) said Friday that over the previous 24 hours, Ukrainian forces had captured several settlements north east of Ukraine's second largest city in an operation which has developed into a "successful, broader counteroffensive."

It said that Ukrainian forces are "notably retaking territory along a broad arc around Kharkiv rather than focusing on a narrow thrust" and this showed they were able to launch larger-scale offensive operations than they have been previously able to.

Ukraine's forces "may successfully push Russian forces out of artillery range of Kharkiv in the coming days," the ISW said, adding they may be able to "relieve Russian pressure on Kharkiv and possibly threaten to make further advances to the Russian border."

It comes as the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces said Russian forces have started to blow up bridges to slow a Ukrainian offensive in the the area of Tsyrkuny and Rusky Tyshky east of Kharkiv.

"Russian occupiers blew up three road bridges in order to slow down the counter-offensive actions of the Defense Forces of Ukraine," Ukraine's military said in its update on Facebook, although this has not been independently verified. Newsweek has contacted the Russian defense ministry for comment.

Meanwhile, in its daily update, Britain's Ministry of Defense said that the war was "taking a heavy toll on some of Russia's most capable units and most advanced capabilities." It referred to the destruction this week by Kyiv's forces of at least one T-90M, which is Russia's most advanced tank.

"It will take considerable time and expense for Russia to reconstitute its armed forces following this conflict," British defense officials said, referring to sanctions which will hamper Russia's access to microelectronic components.

Meanwhile, rescuers were looking to evacuate more civilians from Mariupol's Azovstal plant where dozens of people, including children, remain trapped underground.

Russian officials and Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk said the evacuation efforts would continue into the weekend, the Associated Press reported. Several dozen people were handed over to the United Nations and the International Committee of the Red Cross on Friday.

The fate of hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers trapped at the steelworks is unknown. Russia has repeatedly said that they can only leave if they lay down their arms.

Ukrainian president Volodymr Zelensky described the Russian military's conduct in Mariupol as "inhuman."

In a live streamed address to the Chatham House think tank in London on Friday, he said that if Russia kills civilians that could be exchanged as prisoners of war, "I don't think we can have any diplomatic talks with them after that."

Russian Forces May Soon Be Forced Out of Artillery Range of Kharkiv: Report

[misskit]

Sabang, give us a break. You are using Quora for your source. Better you find the real source of the info. Like that Austrian who said this and that. I found where he said one paragraph out of the whole shibang you posted.

[NamPikToot]

Yes, covert operations really must be kept covert.

Quite, its not all about taking pics from spy planes and satelites, much is fed back from covert ops behind the enemy. Giving away your potential sources could allow the enemy to track their locations or give away the source was ground based.

[sabang]

Why did you delete it MK? If you can give me the name of the Austrian Colonel, I will find more info if I can.

Fwiw, Col Markus Reisner is a real person. How good is your Austrian?

Markus Reisner




Zur Navigation springenZur Suche springenMarkus Reisner (* 1978 in Niederösterreich) ist ein österreichischer Historiker, Offizier des Bundesheeres^[1], Militärexperte^[2] und Leiter der Forschungs- und Entwicklungsabteilung an der Theresianischen Militärakademie in Wiener Neustadt.^[2]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Reisner


Google Translate- "Markus Reisner (born 1978 in Lower Austria ) is an Austrian historian, army officer [ ^1] , military expert ^[2] and head of the research and development department at the Theresian Military Academy in Wiener Neustadt . ^[2]"

[bsnub]

Like that Austrian who said this and that.

Yes, the Colonels words were twisted in that article. As I said, you get nothing but lies and propaganda from the Three Stooges.

[sabang]

OK, not Quora, translated by Google-


MILITARY EXPERT

"Putin can win the war"

The Russian military is changing its strategy and is now focusing on eastern and southern Ukraine. The Austrian military strategist Markus Reisner has analyzed the situation towards the "world".


Many in the West firmly believe in a Russian defeat in the war with Ukraine. Colonel Markus Reisner, head of the research and military strategy department at the Theresian Military Academy in Vienna, observes Russian strategy closely and takes a more sober view of the situation. He explained to the “Welt” : “Putin can win the war.” By this he means that after the armed conflict Russia “possesses substantially more of Ukraine than before”.

"We must not underestimate Russia"


An objective picture of the situation is needed, emphasizes Reisner: "It doesn't help us if we talk ourselves into the fact that the Russian attackers are in a bad state. Because that belies how the situation really is. The Russians are perfectly capable of deciding when, where and how to strike. We must not underestimate Russia.”

The military strategist expects a further escalation in the Donbass in the coming weeks. In the war, Moscow is now concentrating on this industrial region in the east. There, Russia will try to bring about the decision and encircle the Ukrainians and force them to surrender, said Reisner. “We shouldn't make the mistake of interpreting the slowness of the advance as a weakness. That's exactly what we wanted. That can take weeks.” More than 100,000 Russian soldiers are involved in the offensive.
Ukraine urgently needs new weapons. "Western arms shipments are now a race against time," Reisner said.

But the conflict will not be over in the summer. Should the Russian troops take the Donbass, Reisner assumes there will only be a temporary lull in the fighting. Both sides would regenerate and reposition themselves during this time.

https://www.tagesstimme.com/2022/05/03/militaer-experte-putin-kann-den-krieg-gewinnen

I trust that is sober enough for you MK.

[sabang]

Russia seems to be making little progress with its invasion of Ukraine. But appearances could be deceiving. Because according to Markus Reisner, Austria's top military strategist, Ukraine's situation is much worse than is believed in the West.

Putin's tanks aren't making any headway, Russian soldiers are surrendering, and soon Russia can no longer afford the war. Again and again breakdowns in the Russian military are known. It almost seems as if Ukraine can win the war. But the impression could be hugely deceptive.

Russia is probably much stronger than people think in this country. At least that's what the Austrian colonel and top military strategist Markus Reisner is convinced of: "We need an objective picture of the situation. It doesn't help us if we talk ourselves into the fact that the Russian attackers are in a bad state," he explains in the "world" . "Because that belies how the situation really is."

Reisner expects further escalations in the Donbass in the next two to three weeks. According to him, these fights will be particularly fierce "because the Russians are now trying to bring about a decision".

“Ukraine urgently needs new weapons”

The Ukrainians could defend themselves with American drones, among other things. But according to the military strategist, that will hardly be enough.
«Ukraine urgently needs new weapons. The arms deliveries from the West are now a race against time,” Reisner believes. Because the Western deliveries of heavy weapons had started too late. And in addition, Russia would capture or destroy a "not inconsiderable part" of the arms deliveries.

In the meantime, the Kremlin has even published manuals on how to operate the captured weapons and how to use them against Ukraine. "And that has already happened," said the military expert. "According to US information, the weapons that the West brings to Ukraine within a week are used up within a day, i.e. used immediately by the Ukrainians or captured or destroyed by the Russians."

“Now the Russians are prepared”

According to Reisner, Russia now wants to form two pincers in the Donbass near Izyum and Donetsk in order to encircle the Ukrainian troops. "The problem is that the positions of the Ukrainians in this area are not as strong as on the old contact line, i.e. in the east of Kramatorsk," the Austrian fears.


In the past, Ukraine has also had success using special forces to ambush Russian soldiers. But this tactic no longer works. Reisner: "It worked elsewhere for the first six weeks, but now the Russians are prepared and the Russian special forces (Spetsnaz) are chasing the Ukrainian special forces and unfortunately destroying them quite often."

According to Markus Reisner, don't let the slow progress of the Russians fool you. The Russians are now advancing "slowly, broadly and with massive infantry support, with the tanks being secured to the right and left by further armored trains." Although the attackers can only manage about 1.5 kilometers per hour, they can avoid being ambushed.

The entire south is to be taken

Reisner therefore warns against underestimating the Russian army. "We should not make the mistake of interpreting the slowness of the advance as a weakness. That's exactly what we wanted. That can take weeks."

The top strategist does not believe that the war in Ukraine could end anytime soon. According to him, Russia wants to take over the entire south in new battles in order to cut off Ukraine's important access to the sea.

Finally, Markus Reisner draws a gloomy conclusion about the situation in Ukraine: "The bitter truth is: Putin can win the war." The Austrian put it more concretely: "Winning means that after this armed conflict Putin has substantially more of Ukraine than before." (obf)

https://www.msn.com/de-ch/nachrichten/international/top-stratege-warnt-davor-die-russische-armee-zu-untersch%C3%A4tzen-die-bittere-wahrheit-ist-putin-kann-den-krieg-gewinnen/ar-AAWUxVN


He is, apparently, Austria's top military strategist. Hardly a Blowhard.

[misskit]

Hey, I had no problem with Marcus Reisner, just couldn’t find a link to anything where he actually said what was posted. Someone name Phuk U on Quora posting from SpamU, lifted from Reddit linking to conspiracy site, Googley eyes says it’s so? Nope.

[Norton]

Reisner therefore warns against underestimating the Russian army.

A fair warning but on the flip side, Putin best not underestimate the resolve and the capability of the Ukriane to resist his invasion force.