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[sabang]

Zelensky Advisor Arestovich Passes off Azov Atrocities in Mariupol As “Evidence” of Russian Bucha Massacre



Zelensky advisor Arestovich passes off Azov atrocities in Mariupol as “evidence” of Russian Bucha massacre

Ukrainian presidential advisor Alexey Arestovich has passed off week-old footage of the mutilated body of a girl tortured by Azov fighters in a Mariupol school as the alleged Russian murders of civilians in Bucha.

The disturbing image of a girl with a swastika burned on her stomach was published by DPR fighters on 28 March alongside weapons and personal belongings of Ukrainian militants.

Arestovich, who had reportedly confessed to lying about the situation in Donbass, appears to be relying on fakes to push the Russian Army “brutality” line.

Australian National Review - Zelensky Advisor Arestovich Passes off Azov Atrocities in Mariupol As “Evidence” of Russian Bucha Massacre



‘They Are What They Are, They Were Defending Our Country’: Zelensky ‘Brushes Off’ Reports of Azov Battalion Committing Atrocities


‘They Are What They Are, They Were Defending Our Country’: Zelensky ‘Brushes Off’ Reports of Azov Battalion Committing Atrocities – Coercion Code – "Dark Times are upon us"



New witness testimony about Mariupol maternity hospital ‘airstrike’ follows pattern of Ukrainian deceptions, media malpractice



But newly released testimony from one of the incident’s main witnesses punctures the official narrative about a targeted Russian airstrike on the hospital. The witness account indicates the hospital had been turned into a base of operations by Ukrainian military forces and was not targeted in an airstrike, as Western media claimed. Her testimony also raised serious questions about whether at least some elements of the event were staged for propaganda purposes – and with the cooperation of the Associated Press.

The new testimony (watch below) comes on the heels of evidence strongly suggesting that the destruction of a dramatic theater in Mariupol on March 16 was staged by the Azov Battalion, and that nearly all civilians had evacuated a day before. And as we will see below, new reports of a Russian massacre of scores of civilians in the town of Bucha also contain suspicious details suggesting a pattern of information manipulation aimed at triggering Western military intervention.

“They said it was no airstrike. So our opinion got confirmed. We didn’t hear the airplane, they didn’t hear it either.”

At that moment we heard an explosion. Instinctively I personally put a duvet on myself. That’s when we heard the second explosion. I got covered by glass partially. I had small cuts on my nose, under my lips and at the top of my forehead but it was nothing serious…

Mariana Vishegirskaya, a pregnant resident of Donetsk who was present at the maternity hospital during the widely reported incident, has evacuated from Mariupol and is now speaking out. Photos showing a bloodied Vishnevskaya fleeing the building with her personal belongings became a centerpiece of coverage of the attack, along with a photo of another woman being carried away pale and unconscious on a stretcher.

In the wake of the incident, Russian officials falsely claimed the pair were the same person, citing Vishegirskaya’s background as a blogger and Instagram personality as evidence she was a crisis actor and the incident a false flag. Though that assertion was not true, as we shall see, the hospital had been almost completely taken over by the Ukrainian military.

In a video (above) reviewed by The Grayzone which began circulating via Telegram April 1st, Vishegirskaya offers a clear and detailed account of what took place on and in the days leading up to March 9th. The witness begins by noting how many residents of Mariupol attempted to evacuate following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on February 24th, but says authorities ensured it was “impossible to leave.”

On March 6th, with the birth of her child impending, she checked into maternity hospital number three, the city’s “most modern” facility. She was not there long before the Ukrainian military arrived and evicted all the hospital’s patients, as they sought access to the building’s solar panels, one of the last remaining sources of electricity in the besieged city.

“We were moved to the only small maternity hospital left. It had only one small generator… Husbands of women in labor settled in the basement and cooked meals for us on the street. Residents of neighboring houses also brought us meals,” Vishegirskaya says. “One day soldiers came. They didn’t help with anything. They were told the food is for women, how could they ask for it? They replied they hadn’t eaten in five days, took our food and said, ‘you can cook some more.’”

On the night of the 8th, the pregnant women “slept peacefully” as there were “no shootouts.” The next day, the soon-to-be mothers heard a shell explode outside. Vishegirskaya “instinctively” covered herself with her duvet, but still, shattered glass from a nearby window cut her lip, nose and forehead, though she says it was “nothing serious.”

“After the second explosion we got evacuated to the basement,” Vishegirskaya recalled. “We proceeded to discuss whether it was an airstrike. They said it was no airstrike. So our opinion got confirmed. We didn’t hear the airplane, they didn’t hear it either. They told us it was a shell. After the first two explosions there were no other explosions.”
As she waited, she noticed “a soldier with a helmet” taking pictures of her, and demanded he stop, “because obviously it was not a good time for that,” and she did not want to be photographed in her current state. The soldier complied. Back upstairs, the same individual began filming her and others again, refusing to stop until his subjects had demanded several times he do so.

Vishegirskaya’s husband later told her the man wasn’t a soldier, but an Associated Press correspondent, one of many on the scene at the time. She believes these journalists had been there “from the beginning,” as they were ready and waiting outside to snap the woman being led away on a stretcher, the first to emerge from the building in the wake of the shell attack, “as soon as she came out.”

The next day, after her baby was delivered via cesarean section, the same Associated Press staffers interviewed her, asking her to describe what happened. They enquired point blank if an airstrike had taken place, to which she responded, “no, even the people that were on the streets didn’t hear anything, nor did anyone.”
Later, when she was in safer “ living conditions,” Vishegirskaya began scouring the internet, attempting to track down the interview. She found “everything else” the Associated Press staffers recorded – but not her denials that an airstrike had occurred.

More- https://thegrayzone.com/2022/04/03/testimony-mariupol-hospital-ukrainian-deceptions-media-malpractice/


The First casualty of War is Truth.

[panama hat]

Irrespective of how many support ships any group has, they are still vulnerable from under water and the sky.

[Backspin]

NATO unity is a sight to behold.

Poland freezes relations with Hungary because of position on #Ukraine

This was announced by Deputy Prime Minister for Security Affairs of #Poland Yaroslav Kaczynski. https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1512779920216317956/photo/1

[Backspin]

More neato unity.

❗️Despite US warnings, #Serbia purchased and received modern Chinese air defense missile system (FK-3 SAM) and CH-4 drones.

Five flights of the ����PLAAF (that is, Chinese Air Force) arrived today at Batajnica Air Base to deliver the arms.

Serbia’s ���� accession should be halted! https://twitter.com/Blerim_Vela/status/1512836566401564679/photo/1

[pickel]

While me , ohoh, Sabang and a couple others have been following the topic since 2014.

Most of us were aware of Ukraine, and living through the cold war when you were still a twinkle in the milkman's eye.

[bsnub]

While me , ohoh, Sabang and a couple others have been following the topic since 2014.

You three are the most clueless bozo's of all the people posting in this thread. The most biased, blinkered propaganda swallowing lemmings I have ever seen in my life. It can be counted on that whatever propaganda you three lemming regurgitate, that the opposite is most likely the truth.

Sabang made the biggest flub in the history of TD by falsely bleating on for months that this war would never happen. No, you three are useless tools.

[Switch]

Most of us were aware of Ukraine, and living through the cold war when you were still a twinkle in the milkman's eye.

TBF he was probably a buff spermatozoa at the time!

[pickel]

In the wake of the incident, Russian officials falsely claimed the pair were the same person, citing Vishegirskaya’s background as a blogger and Instagram personality as evidence she was a crisis actor and the incident a false flag.

And you believed it.


What do they falsely claim happened here?

[bsnub]

Poland freezes relations with Hungary because of position on #Ukraine

This is fake news. He only said that he's disappointed and maybe Polish-Hungarian relationship needed reevaluation. Nonetheless, nexta is spreading misinformation. Typical Skiddy horseshit.

Most of us were aware of Ukraine, and living through the cold war when you were still a twinkle in the milkman's eye.

Skiddy has no idea about history or the Cold War, he is completely one dimensional. I lived in Germany during the Cold War and that was a harrowing experience at times to say the least. Treasonous traitors like Skiddy were not well received back in those days either.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

This was an interesting headline on Google news this morning.
Zelensky might be sending a signal by declaring Ukraine to be the next Israel
Halper: Zelensky might be sending a signal by declaring Ukraine to be the next Israel | The Hill

[Backspin]

more Nato unity

Ethnic Greek Azov Fighter Overshadows Zelensky Speech at Greek Parliament

Alexis Tsipras, leader of the main opposition party, SYRIZA-Progressive Alliance, blasted the appearance of the Azov fighter before parliament.

“Solidarity with the Ukrainian people is a given. But nazis cannot be allowed to speak in parliament,” Tsipras said on social media. “The speech was a provocation.” He said Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis “bears full responsibility. … He talked about a historic day but it is a historical shame.”

[Backspin]

And you believed it.


What do they falsely claim happened here?

A propaganda film was made using a Ukrainian tank with a Z painted on it. Thats what. Because it makes zero rational sense for a Russian tank to blow away a civilain on a bike , AND for an enemy drone happily flying and filming it all at low altitude.

This all happened in Syria too when Russia went in. The US+allies use sickening propaganda to get moral outrage going so that they can prosecute Russia more. They try and crank up the moral outrage to try and suck more countries into more sanctions. Scarily enough, nobody but the US+ allies has bought in. So the provocations and propaganda dial will keep being turned up.

Just like Serbia in the 90's (Srebrenica), just like Saddam in 1991 and 2003,(incubator babies) just like Liyba in 2011 (crowd bombing+troops and viagra) Just like Syria in 2011, 2013 , 2017, 2018 (fake chemical attacks). And so far in Ukraine we have Bucha + Tochka-U missile

[pickel]

^
You've gone full Q-anon and are firmly entrenched in a cult.

[sabang]

Zelensky & clown show can't be trusted
Western MSM can't be trusted
Russia can't be trusted
US can't be trusted
Social media can't be trusted
Azov certainly can't be trusted

Prognosis- nobody can be trusted. Take nothing at face value, reserve judgement, and wait for some facts to come out. Maybe.

[baldrick]

gone full Q-anon

he is not the only one

Azov

the dog whistle name which only has significance to ironically the most racist

[Backspin]

he is not the only one



the dog whistle name which only has significance to ironically the most racist

Facepalm

[sabang]

^^ Oh, so when the NY Times described them as neo-Nazi, they were just being racist?
It's a dog whistle name alright- with reason. Details of some of their atrocities (and lies) are coming out now- and you can be certain more will follow.

[pickel]

^^
woof woof

[pickel]

[Switch]

Zelensky & clown show can't be trusted
Western MSM can't be trusted
Russia can't be trusted
US can't be trusted
Social media can't be trusted
Azov certainly can't be trusted

Prognosis- nobody can be trusted. Take nothing at face value, reserve judgement, and wait for some facts to come out. Maybe.

Almost a U turn. Well done (:clapping

[baldrick]

Facepalm

and in reply , you post a farcebook meme ?

Oh, so when the NY Times described them as neo-Nazi, they were just being racist?

oh , so a newspaper publishes photos that it knows will get instant pavlov reaction from a large proportion of the population and revels in the revenue as the absolute proof of nazi resurgence is shared via the new version of FW:FW:FW

what percentage of the ukraine combat forces does it say are subscribed to nazi/aryan supremacy ideology ? and are they true believers or just young edgy backspits that think anything that gets them likes on farce insta chat is good ? and look , the news photog wants their photo - how special they feel

[David48atTD]

More neato unity.

❗️Despite US warnings, #Serbia purchased and received modern Chinese air defense missile system (FK-3 SAM) and CH-4 drones.

Five flights of the ����PLAAF (that is, Chinese Air Force) arrived today at Batajnica Air Base to deliver the arms.

Serbia’s ���� accession should be halted! https://twitter.com/Blerim_Vela/status/1512836566401564679/photo/1

Serbia is a NATO Member?

[David48atTD]

Zelensky & clown show can't be trusted
Western MSM can't be trusted
Russia can't be trusted
US can't be trusted
Social media can't be trusted
Azov certainly can't be trusted

Prognosis- nobody can be trusted. Take nothing at face value, reserve judgement, and wait for some facts to come out. Maybe.

You know, since you mentioned the Leader of Ukraine as not being able to be trusted.

Nor Russia, but no mention of Putin, by default, he can be trusted?

[sabang]

I didn't mention slomo jo, scomo or bojo either, by name. Kinda goes without saying.

[David48atTD]

I didn't mention slomo jo, scomo or bojo either, by name.

But you took the time to mention, directly, Zelensky ... why the special attention?