Ukraine war mega thread

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Have some more 'epic bullshit', truth avoiders:-

Just the lost opportunity cost by canning NS2 is a big one- huge actually. Gotta be replaced by much higher priced LNG. Then there is the fact that Germany was Russia's largest trading partner and foreign investor. Was. Then there is the increased cost of weaponry- an additional 2% of GDP in Germany's case. Money no longer available for things that actually help people. And I suppose the money spent on all those refugees, and so on. And, boom tish- higher energy costs all round. Heating & petrol costs, delivery costs- inflationary. Europe is a major energy importer. Then there's wheat, and palladium- esesntial in auto manufacture. Europe is a big time loser.


But hey, don't take my word for it- read and weep:-


The economic policy consequences of the war

The Ukraine war will have significant economic policy consequences for the European Union and its members, arising from the adverse supply shock triggered by the rise in oil and gas prices, energy independence measures, the inflow of refugees and boosted defence spending. Their direct budgetary implications could be 1.1/4% of GDP in 2022.
Full Article- The economic policy consequences of the war | Bruegel



The economic consequences of Ukraine’s war will be severe for the European Union.


"Even outside of the war’s interruptions, rising gas costs have pushed up power rates due to the EU’s so-called marginal pricing scheme. They broke the record of €200 per megawatt-hour earlier this month. This is especially harsh for nations with harsh winters and high rates of “energy poverty,” such as much of Central and Eastern Europe. However, energy-intensive economies such as Finland and the Benelux nations are also suffering.Other repercussions might be felt as a result of trade. Commerce with Russia accounts for a modest fraction of total EU trade, but it provides a big number of raw commodities to the union, and specific reliance might disrupt supply networks. Russian timber accounts for half of Finland’s imports, while palladium — of which Russia controls 40% of world output — is a critical ingredient for the German and Italian automobile industries.
Wheat is another important commodity, since Russia and Ukraine are the world’s first and fifth largest exporters of grain, respectively, and prices have risen to a 14-year high due to concerns over global supply.
Then there’s inflation, which is likely to grow more and stay higher for a longer period of time than projected. These factors pushed the ECB to announce a speedier reduction of its bond-buying program on Thursday. Energy inflation is a significant driver of inflation, with little relief in sight. Brent oil soared above $120 per barrel on Wednesday, reaching levels not seen since 2008, before dipping to $109 on Monday."
Full article- https://lifewrap.org/ukraines-war-wi...lion-of-euros/

Your choice of supporting evidence shows an alarming lack of real care about the future of this planet.

The EU reaction may well be to create a movement away from reliance on the tyranny of Russian dependence on extraction of natural resources and the export of oil and gas.
The major industrial nations of the EU will use their scientific and engineering expertise to source alternatives that are kinder to the planet. Western democracies are much better placed to find and engineer longer lasting and economic use of raw materials. What Will Russia and China do when rare earths and fossil fuels eventually run out?
What will they do when cheap labour ultimately becomes as scarce as rare earths?

This conflict could so easily tip the west into a more realistic future for the people and the planet. Even the Arabs have seen the light, and diversified their economic future. This conflict adds fuel and urgency to that necessary diversification.

It proves how short sighted and selfish your Russian and Chinese heroes are!

[Backspin]

here you go backspit - edumacate yourself - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/55780606-putin-s-war-in-syria

learn all about iran and putin

Yeah. The same Iran that was losing the war badly until the Russian collaboration started.

[bsnub]

Good Lord, things are a little different since Bismark's day.

He never said it. It is just more of Skiddys made up bullshit lies...

Every imperial power of the day tries it.

"Russia's power can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it...to oppose Ukraine to Russia...just need to find and nurture traitors among the national elite...will hate everything Russian...without realizing it. Everything else is just a matter of time".- Bismarck

Busted again for posting up more fake bullshit. Your lies never stop, do they, Skiddy?


Feigned Bismarck Citation about Separating Ukraine from Russia

Russian political scientists, journalists and social networkers often use several citations about Ukraine, allegedly belonging to Chancellor of Germany Otto von Bismarck, in order to prove that Western Europe always wanted to divide Russia. As it turned out, these citations were taken out from different Russian books about Bismarck and could not be found in the works of the Chancellor himself.

Just a moment...

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Some posters seem to forget that NATO is a DEFENSIVE alliance, and the EU supports the ECONOMIC growth and revitalization of European countries.

Given the appalling state of Russian forces and archaic leadership, I’m almost surprised that NATO has chosen not to test the Russian nuclear threat, to see if it’s In the same chaotic and useless condition.

Despite Putin’s risible threats and bluffing, NATO has always erred on the side of cation, simply because it has no desire for conventional or nuclear responses.

It is clear that a combined NATO force would easily and quickly end this war, but nothing would be left of Ukraine to salvage. Besides, as already pointed out, NATO is a DEFENSIVE alliance of last resort for the support and protection of member states.

[Cujo]

Those are different though. Would the US be able to pacify Canada ? Probably. That's the comparison. Also Russia pacified Chechnya with a lot of success. And more recently they managed to clean up the worst of Syria.

"Pacify"? WTF does that mean? Who fed you this little nugget?

[sabang]

The major industrial nations of the EU will use their scientific and engineering expertise to source alternatives that are kinder to the planet.

And hurrah for that, but I think it fair to point out some shorter term implications of this egregious failure of diplomacy, resulting in this war.

1/ Germany /EU, by lessening their reliance on piped Russian gas are contributing to both carbon emission and global warming. Firstly LNG is 'dirtier' than LPG- plus a certain amount of it will be fracked gas from the US (hardly 'green'). Secondly, it needs to be transported by tanker, in huge amounts- whereas a pipeline, once completed, is essentially carbon neutral.
2/ In spite of the nice sounds it makes, Germany actually still derives a fair amount of it's energy from coal fired power stations, which it has publicly committed to weaning itself off. The crisis we are in now will lessen the pace of itself weaning off coal fired power.

[baldrick]

Yeah. The same Iran that was losing the war badly until the Russian collaboration started.

do you understand why the syrian war was all about pootin cultivating iran ?

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And hurrah for that, but I think it fair to point out some shorter term implications of this egregious failure of diplomacy, resulting in this war.

1/ Germany /EU, by lessening their reliance on piped Russian gas are contributing to both carbon emission and global warming. Firstly LNG is 'dirtier' than LPG- plus a certain amount of it will be fracked gas from the US (hardly 'green'). Secondly, it needs to be transported by tanker, in huge amounts- whereas a pipeline, once completed, is essentially carbon neutral.
2/ In spite of the nice sounds it makes, Germany actually still derives a fair amount of it's energy from coal fired power stations, which it has publicly committed to weaning itself off. The crisis we are in now will lessen the pace of itself weaning off coal fired power.

At no point did I suggest that any EU country should use coal LNG!

My whole post was pointed at REDUCING reliance on fossil fuels. I apologies because I assumed that ENGLISH was your first language and you might have read and understood my post.

[Norton]

Any Nato country. "All for One and One for All". But if Putin even tried, I was wrong and he is insane.

Agree but still leaves a very large buffet of nice bordering nations to gobble up. Putin got away with it in Crimea. If he gets away with it in Ukraine, who's next. You can bet neighboring nations are more than slightly concerned.

[harrybarracuda]

do you understand why the syrian war was all about pootin cultivating iran ?

Skiddy? Understand?

You little comedian you.

[harrybarracuda]

Agree but still leaves a very large buffet of nice bordering nations to gobble up. Putin got away with it in Crimea. If he gets away with it in Ukraine, who's next. You can bet neighboring nations are more than slightly concerned.

Of course they are, and with a lunatic in his death throes at the Russian helm, who can blame them?

[spliff]

I'm color blind.

[bsnub]

Most interesting indeed.

This much more so...

[kingwilly]

Oh, and I agree with pretty much everything he says.

Of course you do.

[panama hat]

But if Putin even tried, I was wrong and he is insane.

You were wrong about him invading Ukraine . . . and he is insane.

Also Russia pacified Chechnya with a lot of success

Fuck you and 'pacified' . . . they murdered tens of thousands of people and reduced the country to rubble



Where do idiots like you and sabang come from? Oh, and OhWoe

[HermantheGerman]

That is to say, Ukraine brought the Russian attack on itself by poking the bear in its eyes repeatedly since the 2014 coup.

[HermantheGerman]

Antiwar.com
I get a lot of stuff from there, regular reader.

Popeye the bank clerk!

[panama hat]

A perfect depiction of the insanity . . .

[David48atTD]

Volodymyr Zelenskyy has called on Israel to share its Iron Dome technology with Ukraine.



In his latest appeal for help from abroad, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has questioned Israel's reluctance to sell its Iron Dome missile defence system to the besieged nation.


Israel has condemned the Russian invasion but has been wary of straining relations with Moscow, a powerbroker in neighbouring Syria where Israeli forces frequently attack pro-Iranian militia.


"Everybody knows that your missile defence systems are the best … and that you can definitely help our people, save the lives of Ukrainians, of Ukrainian Jews," Mr Zelenskyy, who is Jewish himself, said while addressing the Israeli parliament by video link.


He mentioned Israel's Iron Dome system, often used to intercept rockets fired by Palestinian militants in Gaza.


More below ...

[David48atTD]

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Would the Iron Dome work in Ukraine?

John Blaxland, a professor of international security and intelligence studies at the Australian National University, says Iron Dome is effective, but deploying it in Ukraine would be complex.

"The Iron Dome has proven effective against fairly rudimentary rocketry and against Soviet-era missiles, so it's been effective in the past and it is obviously something that Israel updates regularly," Dr Blaxland says.

"It is highly likely that it would be effective if it was deployed at the right locations in sufficient quantity. So there's a number of variables there.



"There is an understandable reluctance in Israel to share with Ukraine because Israel is deeply worried about the prospect of Russian vengeance manifested through proxies in Syria," Dr Blaxland says.

"This is the hard-nosed reality of it all. Israel is deeply worried that by providing Ukraine with this technology, Russia will then let slip its forces and its proxies and provide incentive for Hezbollah and Syrian anti-Israel groups to attack Israel and make life difficult for Israel.

"The Israelis are thinking longer term about what happens after the conflict and what the repercussions might be and what Russia might be prepared to do to make life difficult for Israel."

More HERE

[Buckaroo Banzai]

A perfect depiction of the insanity . . .

Not at all. You don't really think the Russians are threatened by the Ukrainians? The Russians are threatened by those the Ukrainians want to bring behind them.
Whom the cartoon artist conveniently left out.

[bsnub]

Not at all. You don't really think the Russians are threatened by the Ukrainians? The Russians are threatened by those the Ukrainians want to bring behind them.

I think you're going senile, your posts have become more and more unbalanced and idiotic. Russia was not under any threat from Ukraine or anywhere else. Since the fall of the USSR, Russia has a history of strong-arming and attacking former Soviet states. They did it in Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine.

This was an illegal and unprovoked war, and to paint it any other way is beyond reprehensible.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

I think you're going senile, your posts have become more and more unbalanced and idiotic. Russia was not under any threat from Ukraine or anywhere else. Since the fall of the USSR, Russia has a history of strong-arming and attacking former Soviet states. They did it in Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine.

This was an illegal and unprovoked war, and to paint it any other way is beyond reprehensible.

It seems to think that because you don't understand something , it is not understandable and then you proceed with Ad hominem attacks. Which is the mark of someone who has run out of ideas,
No where in this reply did I say anything of what you are talking about. I simply commented on the cartoons and why I think it is inaccurate, If you think it is accurate please tell me how, other wise please Fuck off.

[bsnub]

If you think it is accurate please tell me how, other wise please Fuck off.

My response did confirm the cartoon, you utter shitgibbon. I will say this account has been hacked. Buck is 100% different posting all of a sudden. No food thread posts, just blind wincing slobbering Russian cocksucking.

This is another Smeg account hack.

[sabang]

bsnub has only ever had one idea in his neanderthal mind. Some of the rest of us don't wanna see the world burn.