Ukraine war mega thread

[Backspin]

Russian neo-Nazis featured on Russian TV, members are “ready to fight as volunteers”

Russian neo-Nazis featured on Russian TV, members are “ready to fight as volunteers” | by Devil'''s Pepper | Mar, 2022 | Medium

Fake news.

Nazi symbols and glorifcation is illegal in Russia. They had a neo Nazi problem in the early 2000's and they eliminated it.

Russia to Ban Nazi Propaganda

Under the law, any use of Nazi symbols, icons, shapes, greetings, gestures, and any other attributes associated with Nazism, will be a crime, Izvestia daily reported.

Those who break this law will face a fine of 300,000 rubles (£5,900), as well as corrective labour and a possible jail term of up to two years

[Backspin]

You still haven't answered the question.
it's a two parter so lets begin with the first
Define 'Nazi'. What defines a Nazi? What is 'Nazism'?

Maybe a picture thread would explain it better to you ? Ukraine is a Nazi state and here Take a look at Eduard Dolinsky (@edolinsky): https://twitter.com/edolinsky?s=09

A Nazi govt is a govt that renames streets with names of actual Nazis from Hitlers reich. And has govt sanctioned torch lit marches , and has military units named after units from Hitlers reich.

And this only went mainstream in Ukraine after the 2014 govt came to power. It is a minority of west Ukrainian partisans that took over the country.

[pickel]

Fake news.

Nazi symbols and glorifcation is illegal in Russia. They had a neo Nazi problem in the early 2000's and they eliminated it.

Russia to Ban Nazi Propaganda

Under the law, any use of Nazi symbols, icons, shapes, greetings, gestures, and any other attributes associated with Nazism, will be a crime, Izvestia daily reported.

Those who break this law will face a fine of 300,000 rubles (£5,900), as well as corrective labour and a possible jail term of up to two years

It says in the article they changed their logo. Do you really think they changed their ideals too? Germany has banned it too, but there's still Nazi's there. They're in almost every country dumdum.

And what about Putins mate in the other article I posted. Will he be fined?

He was banned from entering Latvia a year ago after he described Adolf Hitler as a “very brave man” while criticizing Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny. (He also produced an admiring documentary about Italian fascist leader Benito Mussolini.)

[Troy]

^^ IF that were true then Kiev would have been taken in a day.

[bsnub]

It is a minority of west Ukrainian partisans that took over the country.

You are a fucking idiot who as usual is just lying through your teeth, either making shit up or spewing propaganda.

[Troy]

Hmm

Some disagree with you there

Indeed and there have been various leaked documents surrounding the February debacle. However, the problems arose earlier stemming from the people's wish for closer ties with the EU and this was one of the main aims of the Government at the time. There were negotiations held back in 2012 between Ukraine and the EU and an agreement was ready to be signed. Some political disagreements ensued that put off this agreement, Human Rights issues and political prisoners, and this caused the start of the protests. The refusal to sign the agreement in November 2013 lit the blue touchpaper. The government was seen to be heading back towards Russia instead of closer ties with Europe.

The US and Europe had invested quite a bit into Ukraine and were hoping for the country to become closer to Western influence. Likewise, the Russians had sunk money into Ukraine and were hoping to keep it under their influence. All added fuel to the fire and it was not the US that instigated the uprising as is suggested by some.

Obviously, this is just my opinion on the subject gathered from from the information I have read. However, I think it is a little more balanced than that provided by Skiddy.

[Backspin]

All the power centers and army divisions are surrounded. Its just a matter of trying to get as many of them to surrender as they can and blow away the ideological elements that can't be reasoned with.

[Backspin]

^
That's nothing compared to the tanks the Russians have abandoned on the side of the road.

I understand why you think that. This was the biggest propaganda operation ever undertaken by the mainstream media.

This is a 100% fake story by ABC news. No Russian frigate was sunk. The ship they showed was a freighter that got damaged by a missile. But its good propaganda. It demeans the shit out of Russia and ppl 100% believe it.

[pickel]

I understand why you think that. This was the biggest propaganda operation ever undertaken by the mainstream media.

I didn't see it on the mainstream media, and it had fuck all to do with a boat. I also saw your picture of bounty on the same sites. You really are quite blinkered and one dimensional.

[david44]

Izvestia daily reported.

Izvestia eh Tovarich, you need to listen to people who lived through the Soviet nightmare.

My pal Captain Popov who defected long ago told me the Russian adage. No he was no a big KGB guy just an honest merchant seaman, salt of the earth, he and his men preferred temporary poverty in France to the Russian dream.

"V Pravde nyet izvestiy, v Izvestiyakh nyet pravdy" -- There's no news in the Truth, and there's no truth in the News.


For a so called neutral you seem to parrot a lot of Russian propaganda.

I am not naive or young enough to doubt there will be disinformation on all sides in a conflict.

Do post up any stories of unprovoked Ukrainian bombing of their opponents capital?

I enjoy a bit of a joke and cut and thrust in the lounge which may be ruthless but here in a serious topic be truthful.

Do you really believe this tosh or is it a troll at the expense of the victims, would you say the same to the refugees or are the 3 million "fake crisis actors. trudging through the mire snow to safety?"

[panama hat]

Backspit seems to literally get off on guys in totalitarian states' uniform

[david44]

Backspit seems to literally get off on guys in totalitarian states' uniform

Many Jung Men are prone

Professor Freud called this technically

Klein schwengel angst

[bsnub]

All the power centers and army divisions are surrounded.

As usual, your posts are trash and bogus. Kyiv is not encircled and if it was, how did The Prime Ministers of Poland, Slovenia and the Czech Republic visit Zelensky in Kyiv today? Your video is trash as usual. Nothing you post should be believed at all.

EU leaders express solidarity with Ukraine after Zelensky meeting

Kyiv: EU leaders express solidarity with Ukraine after Zelensky meeting - CNN

[pickel]

Do you really believe this tosh or is it a troll at the expense of the victims, would you say the same to the refugees or are the 3 million "fake crisis actors. trudging through the mire snow to safety?"

On a scale of 1 to Q-anon, he's gone full retard.

[bsnub]

he's gone full retard.

He went full retard ages ago. Here is an accurate map...

[kingwilly]

Its just a matter of trying to get as many of them to surrender as they can and blow away the ideological elements that can't be reasoned with.

By ideological elements do you mean people fighting for their homeland against naked Russian aggression and ambition?

[hallelujah]

Very eloquently put, Willy.

[david44]

By ideological elements do you mean people fighting for their homeland against naked Russian aggression and ambition?

Great Q , don't hold your breath on a response

[hallelujah]

Izvestia eh Tovarich, you need to listen to people who lived through the Soviet nightmare.

My pal Captain Popov who defected long ago told me the Russian adage. No he was no a big KGB guy just an honest merchant seaman, salt of the earth, he and his men preferred temporary poverty in France to the Russian dream.

"V Pravde nyet izvestiy, v Izvestiyakh nyet pravdy" -- There's no news in the Truth, and there's no truth in the News.


For a so called neutral you seem to parrot a lot of Russian propaganda.

I am not naive or young enough to doubt there will be disinformation on all sides in a conflict.

Do post up any stories of unprovoked Ukrainian bombing of their opponents capital?

I enjoy a bit of a joke and cut and thrust in the lounge which may be ruthless but here in a serious topic be truthful.

Do you really believe this tosh or is it a troll at the expense of the victims, would you say the same to the refugees or are the 3 million "fake crisis actors. trudging through the mire snow to safety?"

And David too.

I bet that's not often been said.

[HermantheGerman]

Define 'Nazi'. What defines a Nazi? What is 'Nazism'?

Define Nazi: Backspin
What defines a Nazi: Skidmark alias Backspin and his militarism posts
What is Nazim: The silent posters here not speaking up against this imbecile (sometimes called scandihooligan )

[David48atTD]

Fake news.

Those who break this law will face a fine of 300,000 rubles (£5,900), as well as corrective labour and a possible jail term of up to two years

As mentioned several times elsewhere ... the Russian Economy is imploding, the Ruble crashing.


^ that should read ... a fine of 300,000 rubles (£2,122) ... less than half your quote above

[sabang]

All this talk of the Russian economy. I wonder how the Ukrainian and EU economies must be doing.��

[HermantheGerman]

Peace Will Not Come to Europe’s War: Why Ukraine’s New President Zelensky will be Unable to Improve Relations with Russia | Bundesakademie fur Sicherheitspolitik

Not trying to be a wise guy here Troy, but either my english is getting worse or I missunderstood the article.


The president will have to share power with parliament, and he will face domestic struggle with a large number of war veterans and active civil society and nationalist groups.


On April 21, 2019 Volodymyr Zelensky was elected as President of the Ukraine, winning slightly more than 73 percent of the vote.

“We are perfectly aware of what a Russian passport actually provides. This is the right to be arrested for peaceful protest. This is the right to have no free and competitive elections. This is the right to completely forget about the natural human rights and freedoms.”

It took Russia’s President Yeltsyn until 1997 to travel to Kyiv to sign a treaty on the Russian-Ukrainian border and another two years for both houses of the Russian parliament to ratify it. Today, Zelensky has to deal with a more difficult President Putin who has violated the Budapest Memorandum and the Russian-Ukrainian border treaty.

The Russian state, together with a majority of the Russian people, believe Ukraine is an “artificial” and “failed” state and deny the existence of the Ukrainian people. President Putin and Russian leaders have repeatedly said Russians and Ukrainians are “one people”, while the Ukrainian language is derided as a dialect. Russia does not view Ukraine as a sovereign and independent state with legitimate borders. Negative news about Ukraine takes up as much airtime on Russian television as news about Russia. A Levada Center poll found that as many Russians (56-57 percent) view the Ukrainian state in negative terms as they view the US.

The Ukrainian constitution does not permit the president to negotiate away parts of Ukrainian territory.

Another stumbling block for President Zelensky is how the Donbas war should be understood. A very high 72 percent of Ukrainians, including 62 percent in the south and 47 percent in the east of the country, believe Ukraine is at war with Russia.

The I and II Corps of DNR and LNR, respectively, numbering 35,000 troops in total, are under the jurisdiction of the Russian southern Military District, with command and control in the hand of Russian military intelligence (GRU) officers. The OSCE has recorded modern Russian military technology in the DNR and LNR which the Ukrainian military does not possess.

President Zelensky said he will continue his predecessor’s support for Ukraine’s NATO and EU membership ambitions, and he supports holding referenda. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Ministry of Defence and Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) come under the president, but the foreign policy direction of Ukraine is decided by parliament.

In February 2018, a very high majority of 334 voted to change the Ukrainian constitution (with only 35 opposed) to include the “strategic course of the state to achieve Ukraine’s membership in the European Union and North Atlantic Treaty Organization.”

Russia participates in the Minsk peace process and the Normandy format (France, Germany, Ukraine, Russia), denying it is involved in the war in the Donbas while at the same time obstructing peace by supplying military equipment to the DNR and LNR.


For Russia, financially sustaining Crimea is more expensive than other frozen conflicts Moscow controls in Moldova and Georgia, and this financial burden will become an issue that will reduce Putin’s popularity as living standards continue to decline in the face of a stagnant economy and the continuation of sanctions against Russia.

Time for the comedian to say sorry and bring this war to a swift end before it escalates into something no-one can stop.

And now you posted this. Why does he need to say I'am sorry? For what?
Maybe I missunderstood what you are trying to say.


Negative news about Ukraine takes up as much airtime on Russian television as news about Russia!!!

Not even Catherine the Great would have stand a chance

[bsnub]

All this talk of the Russian economy. I wonder how the Ukrainian and EU economies must be doing.

Always trying to flip the narrative with your whataboutisms. Typical.

[HermantheGerman]

All this talk of the Russian economy. I wonder how the Ukrainian and EU economies must be doing.��

Don't forget to ask the communist Scumbag about Chinastan