Ukraine war mega thread

[baldrick]

Russia offered a diplomatic solution last December

"give us all your stuff or we are going to bash you"

only in the dimmest of minds does this equate to civil discourse

[Joe 90]

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Who says so, have the Ukrainian citizens been asked?

Or has their government just passed a law stating all citizens, 16 to 60 must fight?

Were they asked if a political settlement was preferable?

FFS!

Are you trolling?

[Backspin]

Indeed, and it affects the whole world. Our gas prices have gone up beyond belief. It will only get worse as well.

The whole war started because western politicians actually believed that Russia was an irrelevant country with an economy the size of Spain, that could be pushed aside and its security concerns could be ignored.

Russia is just beginning to put on counter sanctions now. They aren't fully priced in at all yet.

[Backspin]

"give us all your stuff or we are going to bash you"

only in the dimmest of minds does this equate to civil discourse

Utter garbage. All they wanted was a piece of paper saying that Nato wouldn't attack them. They wouldn't even negotiate


NATO rejects Russian demands for security guarantees in latest round of talks - ABC News

[NamPikToot]

Russia is just beginning to put on counter sanctions now. They aren't fully priced in at all yet.

Are you part horse? and do you think the Mercans will cave and give Russia Alaska back

I think if we ran a poll to determine who out of you, OhOh and Sab are the most deranged it'll be photo finish.

[OhOh]

Do your sources ever criticize Putin?

Nobody questions THE LORD, otherwise this occurs:

Putin didn't give them one before he invaded

The offer was made to their masters, whether they need to ask their citizens ....

Some countries leaders are able to know what would or would not be acceptable to their citizens, others need to ask their media, or check their current "polling ratings".

Know your audience, for a successful life.

"give us all your stuff or we are going to bash you"

Aiming high, allows one negotiating participant to allow one's "victim" to believe, when offered a slightly less demanding offer, that they have "won" a great deal.

Which countries citizens always suggest they, "got a great deal", irrespective of the price they paid?

Page xxx of "The Art of the Deal", authored by a certain D. Trump.

[sabang]

Always fun debating the TD flock.

[baldrick]

"got a great deal", irrespective of the price they paid?

theft

[sabang]

The Lord is thy Shepherd TD

[OhOh]

Double post.

[Backspin]

[OhOh]

theft

SOP in some unexceptional countries.

[bsnub]

Always fun debating the TD flock.

Oh, good lord, you have no shame. You and the other Three Stooges are the biggest useful idiots on the forum. Completely blinkered sheeple who swallow every last drop of Russian propaganda without question.

[bsnub]

After I had a sleep, I wake to see this thread flooded with four pages of complete shit by the Three Stooges, most of which is not worth a full read. Useful idiots.

[Cujo]

Nazism is a sensitive subject for Russia for a reason. It looks like Russia is going to take all of Ukraine come hell or high water, and criminalize Nazi glorification in Ukraine.

I've asked this before and recieved crickets from you.
What is 'nazism' and in what way is it a threat to Russia?
As i think most people understand it nazi philosophy is race based but the ukranians and Russians are basically the same 'race' or ethnicity.

[bsnub]

I've asked this before and recieved crickets from you.

Don't expect an answer from the idiot anytime soon.

What is 'nazism' and in what way is it a threat to Russia?

There are more Nazis in Russia than there ever were in Ukraine.

[Cujo]

I think skidmark has swallowed too much Putin cum (Russian propoganda), maybe watching too much Tucker Carlson.

[Backspin]

I've asked this before and recieved crickets from you.
What is 'nazism' and in what way is it a threat to Russia?
As i think most people understand it nazi philosophy is race based but the ukranians and Russians are basically the same 'race' or ethnicity.

WTF? I already replied to this.

How in the fuck is a neo Nazi adjacent regime in Ukraine , who is looking into getting and is capable of getting nuclear weapons, and who has a NATO backup, NOT a threat to Russia ???? The only thing that was keeping the country in check from 1991 to 2014 was the non partisan eastern HALF of the country. But in 2014 after the coup and the new government, the western partisans kicked all of the eastern ppl's representatives out of the parliament and made their political parties illegal.

President Zelensky Suggests Ukraine May Pursue Nuclear Weapons To Counter Russia, Putin Responds | The Daily Wire

There was a guy on Ukranian TV quoting Adof Eichman today ffs. https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/sta...a8c-LAl0epoENQ

[Backspin]

I think skidmark has swallowed too much Putin cum (Russian propoganda), maybe watching too much Tucker Carlson.

What about Reuters and the Guardian ?

Commentary: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem | Reuters.com

Azov fighters are Ukraine's greatest weapon and may be its greatest threat | Ukraine | The Guardian

[Cujo]

You still haven't answered the question.
it's a two parter so lets begin with the first
Define 'Nazi'. What defines a Nazi? What is 'Nazism'?

[tomcat]

...utter chutzpah :

Russia seeks UN humanitarian resolution not mentioning war



United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres makes a statement outside the Security Council at U.N. headquarters on Monday, March 14, 2022. (AP Photo/Richard Drew) (ASSOCIATED PRESS)

By EDITH M. LEDERER (AP)

Wed, March 16, 2022, 2:21 AM

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — Russia circulated a proposed U.N. Security Council resolution Tuesday demanding protection for civilians “in vulnerable situations” in Ukraine and safe passage for humanitarian aid and people seeking to leave the country, but it make no mention of Russia’s responsibility for the war against its smaller neighbor.

The draft resolution endorses U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres’ call for dialogue and negotiations and calls for a negotiated cease-fire to rapidly evacuate “all civilians,” and underscores “the need for the parties concerned to agree on humanitarian pauses to this end.” But it never identifies “the parties concerned.”
The draft expresses “grave concern” at the deteriorating humanitarian situation and reports of civilian casualties in and around Ukraine, and strongly condemns “attacks directed against civilians and civilian objects, including indiscriminate shelling.”

Russia’s U.N. Ambassador Vassily Nebenzia told reporters the resolution was being put in a final form that can be put to a vote on Tuesday, and a Russian diplomat said a vote could take place as early as Wednesday.

Britain's U.N. Ambassador Barbara Woodward tweeted that the Russian draft “has a few glaring omissions. For example, the fact that Russia is the aggressor here, and it is Russia's invasion driving this humanitarian crisis."

The Russian draft was circulated a day after France and Mexico announced that a humanitarian resolution on Ukraine they cosponsored, which had been discussed for two weeks in the 15-member Security Council was being moved to the 193-member General Assembly.

The France-Mexico draft resolution would demand “an immediate cessation of hostilities” and deplore “the dire humanitarian consequences of the hostilities against Ukraine” and would almost certainly have led to a Russian veto. Those provisions are not in the proposed Russian resolution.
France’s U.N. Ambassador Nicolas De Riviere told reporters: “Obviously, it would have been difficult in the Security Council.”

By taking the draft resolution to the General Assembly where there are no vetoes, the cosponsors lose the prospect of the resolution being legally binding, as Security Council resolutions are. But they could gain massive support for a call to halt violence and for deploring the dire humanitarian situation sparked by the war. Diplomats said Tuesday a vote in the General Assembly will take some time.

Nebenzia told reporters that the French and Mexican ambassadors knew from the beginning that “we would be prepared to adopt a humanitarian resolution on the situation in Ukraine, provided that this is not a disguise to blame and shame Russia.” He said they know that paragraphs in Security Council draft “which are not humanitarian” and shouldn’t be in a humanitarian resolution.

Russian authorities maintain that they did not start the war and have repeatedly and falsely decried reports of Russian military setbacks or civilian deaths in Ukraine as fake news, as well as denouncing reports calling the offensive a war or an invasion. State media outlets and government officials insist the Russian forces only target military facilities.

Nebenzia said Russia thinks “the chances are still there” for the Security Council to adopt a humanitarian resolution, so it was putting forward its own resolution “with clear humanitarian provisions” and will see whether the council adopts it.
To be approved, the resolution needs at least nine “yes" votes and no veto by another permanent council member — the United States, United Kingdom, France or China.

Olivia Dalton, spokesperson for the U.S. Mission to the United Nations, called it “unconscionable that Russia, the aggressor responsible for creating this crisis, would have the audacity to put forward this resolution.” She said the United States will work with other countries for a General Assembly resolution “that will more accurately reflect the views of U.N. member states” about the impact of Russia’s “unprovoked aggression.”

The Russian draft resolution also demands that “all parties concerned” respect international humanitarian law, which requires protection of civilian infrastructure “indispensable to the survival of the civilian population” and “critical to enable the delivery of essential services in armed conflict.”
It demands that all parties -- again unnamed -- “refrain from deliberately placing military objects and equipment in the vicinity” of civilian infrastructure or in densely populated areas, “as well as not to use civilian objects from military purposes.”

The Russian draft also calls on “all parties concerned to allow safe and unhindered passage to destinations outside of Ukraine, including to foreign nationals without discrimination,” and to facilitate humanitarian aid to all in need in and around Ukraine.

And It asks the secretary-general to report on the resolution’s implementation within seven days “and regularly thereafter.”

[pickel]

Russian neo-Nazis featured on Russian TV, members are “ready to fight as volunteers”

Russian neo-Nazis featured on Russian TV, members are “ready to fight as volunteers” | by Devil'''s Pepper | Mar, 2022 | Medium

[pickel]

Top Putin Propagandist Says the Ukraine War Is Just the Beginning



A key champion in the Russian media of Vladimir Putin’s illegal attack on Ukraine served up a troubling threat on Monday: This war will go beyond Ukraine.

State television host Vladimir Solovyov is well-known as a fanatical pro-Putin propagandist and a top cheerleader for the war with Ukraine. He claims the Russians are acting in self-defense and liberating a Ukraine that poses an existential threat to Russia. Last month he railed against sanctions imposed on Russia, perhaps because they affected his ownership of villas in the Lake Como region of Italy. This week, he said that the sanctions should be answered with nuclear strikes, exclaiming, “I still think that those who took our money should be told, you have 24 hours to unfreeze our funds, or else we’ll send you what you know we’ve got. Your choice. Tactical or strategic, take a pick. You took our money, you’re the thieves, our talk is short with you: a bullet to the head.”

Bluster is his style. And on his broadcast, The Evening with Vladimir Solovyov, he also recently proclaimed that the attempted conquest of Ukraine is only the beginning of Putin’s grand plan. In keeping with Putin’s brazen disinformation campaign, he depicted the Russian invasion as a crusade against Nazism. He compared recent events in Germany in which Ukrainian refugees have shouted, “Glory to Ukraine, glory to the heroes, death to enemies,” to Nazi rallies where Germans once yelled, “Heil Hitler.” He also told the West to stick the next round of sanctions “up your ass.”


He then turned to geostrategy. He reminded viewers that Putin has demanded that NATO return to its 1997 configuration—that is, before the Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, the Baltic states, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Albania, Croatia, Montenegro, and North Macedonia joined the Western military alliance. He suggested that after that occurs, nuclear weapons—presumably under Russian control—would be deployed in former Soviet bloc nations. The goal is the restoration of Russia as a nuclear superpower that dominates much of Europe, far beyond its current borders. That is, this war is about far more than keeping Ukraine from aligning with the West.

Solovyov spelled it out: “And if you think we’re going to stop with Ukraine, think 300 times, I will remind you that Ukraine is merely an intermediate stage in the provision of the safety of the Russian Federation.”

Bombastic and cheeky, Solovyov (sometimes spelled Soloviev) has long been controversial. Last year, he was blocked from the social media app Clubhouse for anti-queer comments. He was banned from entering Latvia a year ago after he described Adolf Hitler as a “very brave man” while criticizing Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny. (He also produced an admiring documentary about Italian fascist leader Benito Mussolini.) Alla Gerber, the president of the Russia Holocaust Foundation, called Solovyov “crazy and dangerous,” noting that to “to compare the oppositionist, a man who is fighting for democracy, with Hitler, you have to be a madman and a very bad person.” It was Navalny’s anti-corruption organization—now banned in Russia—that revealed Solovyov owns those two villas in Italy. In 2020, a Change.org petition was initiated calling on Western governments to prohibit Solovyov from entering European countries and the United States, citing his xenophobia and extremism.

Solovyov has for years vociferously supported the Kremlin’s propaganda about Ukraine, casting the conflict in eastern Ukraine as a righteous battle between Ukrainian fascists and Russian anti-fascists. When Russia was recently slapped with tough sanctions, he took it personally and complained on one of his broadcasts:

I was told that Europe is a citadel of rights, that everything is permitted, that’s what they said… I know from personal experience about the so-called ‘sacred property rights.’ With every transaction I was bringing paperwork demonstrating my official salary, income, I did it all. I bought it, paid crazy amount of taxes, I did everything. And suddenly someone makes a decision that this journalist is now on the list of sanctions. And right away it affects your real estate. Wait a minute. But you told us that Europe has sacred property rights!

He has enthusiastically hosted guests on his shows with extreme viewpoints. One recently demanded the West pay Russia reparations for the sanctions and give back Alaska and return Olympic medals “unlawfully taken” from Russian athletes and recognize that Russia owns the Antarctic. And his broadcasts have long beaten the drums of war—with Ukraine and beyond. In April 2021, he hosted a deputy dean at Moscow State University who said, “Everything will start in Ukraine. We will be forced to step onto the battlefield in a fight for which they think we’re not ready.” Solovyov asked: “A fight against whom?” The answer: “Against the collective West.”
As Julia Davis reported in the Daily Beast, days after Putin launched the war, Solovyov, during one broadcast, “theatrically looked down at his watch and asked, ‘Is Trump coming back soon?’” As if that would be good for Putin.

These days, government officials, analysts, and citizens around the world are trying to figure out Putin’s thinking, as the war grinds on and Ukrainian civilians are slaughtered. Does Solovyov reflect Putin’s views or is he just another TV loudmouth playing to the crowd? The lives of many might depend upon the answer to that question.

Additional reporting from Hannah Levintova.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...the-beginning/

[harrybarracuda]

Oh, good lord, you have no shame. You and the other Three Stooges are the biggest useful idiots on the forum. Completely blinkered sheeple who swallow every last drop of Russian propaganda without question.

Yes, with Puffy Putin as the sheepdog.

[harrybarracuda]

Are you part horse? and do you think the Mercans will cave and give Russia Alaska back

I think if we ran a poll to determine who out of you, OhOh and Sab are the most deranged it'll be photo finish.

Don't forget the scandihooligan fuckwit has been making a late run on the outside.