Ukraine war mega thread

[kingwilly]

It's a “special military action”. Or do you have a link to The LORD officially calling it a war.

FFS. you are pedantic and odious little propaganda bot.

[sabang]

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. It's a war zone. So duck.

[bsnub]

Well, a couple of days away and four pages of utter tripe by the Three Stooges. I have noticed more rational folks seem to have checked out of this thread.

[sabang]

You seem to be bothered about this stuff snubs, so why don't you do a statistical analysis and show us exactly who the most prolific posters in this megathread are?

[bsnub]

You seem to be bothered about this stuff snubs

Ok keyboard warrior. I was on a runner the last two days, had a great time and was able to get home in one piece to sleep it off. Nice to see that you have sat next to your keyboard refresh button since I left.

I couldn't care less.

[kingwilly]

You seem to be bothered about this stuff snubs, so why don't you do a statistical analysis and show us exactly who the most prolific posters in this megathread are?

Here you go, Top 5 Posters

Who Posted?

• Posts 542 Backspin
• Posts 485 sabang
• Posts 364 bsnub
• Posts 263 OhOh
• Posts 229 HermantheGerman

[nidhogg]

^ 555.

That did not go as intended I think.

[sabang]

The Washington Post has a new article out titled “Intelligence points to heightened risk of Russian chemical attack in Ukraine, officials say,” and I challenge you to find me any Russian state media with two opening paragraphs that are more brazenly propagandistic and bereft of journalistic ethics than these:

“The United States and its allies have intelligence that Russia may be preparing to use chemical weapons against Ukraine, U.S. and European officials said Friday, as Moscow sought to invigorate its faltering military offensive through increasingly brutal assaults across multiple Ukrainian cities.

“Security officials and diplomats said the intelligence, which they declined to detail, pointed to possible preparations by Russia for deploying chemical munitions, and warned the Kremlin may seek to carry out a ‘false-flag’ attack that attempts to pin the blame on Ukrainians, or perhaps Western governments. The officials, like others quoted in this story, spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the matter.”

So Russia is preparing to stage a chemical attack, and also the Russian chemical attack might look like Ukrainians or western governments committing a chemical attack, and also the evidence for this is secret, and also the details are secret, and also the government officials advancing this claim are secret, and also Russia’s military offensive is faltering. Gotcha.


The third paragraph is even better:

“The accusations surfaced as Russia repeated claims that the United States and Ukraine were operating secret biological weapons labs in Eastern Europe — an allegation that the Biden administration dismissed as ‘total nonsense’ and ‘outright lies.’”

This paragraph is awesome in two different ways. First, it’s awesome because The Washington Post goes out of its way to inform readers that Russia’s claims have been dismissed as “total nonsense” and “outright lies” after having literally just reported completely unevidenced claims by anonymous government officials with no criticism or scrutiny of any kind.

Secondly, it’s awesome because at no point during the rest of the article is any mention made of Victoria Nuland’s incendiary admission before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that Ukraine has “biological research facilities” that the US is “quite concerned” might end up “falling into the hands of Russian forces”.

Over and over again throughout the article The Washington Post takes great care to inform readers that Russian claims about biological weapons are not to be trusted, with allegations from Moscow described as “unproven accusations” made with “no verifiable evidence“, “absurd and laughable“, “outrageous claims”, “utter nonsense”, “sinking to new depths” and “baseless“.

This, again, after uncritically reporting completely unsubstantiated allegations by government officials and sheltering them from any accountability by granting them the cover of anonymity. Unproven claims by the Russian government are laughable absurdities presented without evidence; unproven claims by the US government are just The News.

The Washington Post also refers to past Russian dismissals of alleged chemical weapons attacks in Syria as false flags used to frame Damascus, while of course making no mention of the mountains of evidence that this has indeed occurred. It also says the UN human rights office “has received ‘credible reports’ of Russia using cluster bombs” which “could constitute war crimes”, making no mention of the USA’s abundant use and sale of these same munitions.

Democracy Dies in Darkness.


The fact that this Russian false flag narrative is being shoved forward with so much propagandistic fervor, not just by The Washington Post but also by government officials and CIA media pundits, makes it all the more concerning that we’re seeing things like YouTube banning the denial of “well-documented violent events” involving Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. We could soon see a chemical weapons incident occur in Ukraine, after which Silicon Valley platforms ban all accounts who express skepticism of the official western narrative about what happened.

The US-centralized empire is censoring and propagandizing as though it is in a hot war with Russia currently. Officially the US and its allies are not at war, but the imperial narrative management machine is behaving as though we are. This makes sense because when two nuclear-armed powers are fighting for dominance and know a direct military confrontation can kill them both, other types of warfare are used instead, including propaganda campaigns and psychological warfare.

There is a widespread general understanding in the west that Russia stands everything to gain by lying about what happens on the ground in Ukraine and cannot be taken at its word about occurrences during this war. There is much less widespread understanding of the fact that both Ukraine and the United States stand everything to gain by lying about this war as well and cannot be trusted either.

The Washington Post’s own reporting says that behind the scenes western governments see Russian victory in this war as a foregone conclusion. Ukraine’s only chance at stopping Russia in the near term would be if it could persuade NATO powers to take a more direct role in combat, like setting up a no-fly zone as President Zelensky has persistently pleaded with them to do. One way to get around NATO’s rational resistance to directly attacking the military forces of a nuclear superpower would be to appeal to emotion via atrocity propaganda. By circulating a narrative that Russia has done something heinous which cries out to the heavens for vengeance, regardless of the risks entailed.

The United States would also benefit from circulating atrocity propaganda about Russia, in that it would further consolidate international support behind the agenda to economically strangle the nation to death in facilitation of the empire’s struggle for unipolar planetary hegemony. Even before the invasion the US was already pushing the narrative that Russia has a list of dissidents, journalists and “vulnerable populations such as religious and ethnic minorities and LGBTQI+ persons” who it plans on rounding up and torturing.


To be clear, it is not conjecture that the US and its proxies make use of atrocity propaganda. The infamous Navirah testimony
Nayirah testimony
for example helped when a 15 year-old girl who turned out to be a coached plant falsely told the US Congressional Human Rights Caucus that she’d witnessed Iraqi soldiers taking babies out of incubators in Kuwait and leaving them on the floor to die.

Atrocity propaganda has been in use for as long as war and media have coexisted, and it would be incredibly naive to believe it won’t continue to be. Especially by power structures with a known history of doing so.

For this reason it is necessary to take everything claimed about what happens in Ukraine with a planet-sized grain of salt, whether it’s by Russia, Ukraine, or the US and its allies. Be very skeptical of anything you hear about chemical attacks or any other narrative that can be used to get military firepower moving in a way that it otherwise would not. All parties involved in this conflict have every reason in the world to lie about such things.

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2022/03/12/the-us-and-ukraine-have-every-reason-to-lie-about-the-war/


We certainly live in interesting times.

[bsnub]

The US And Ukraine Have Every Reason To Lie About The War

It is all fake, just like when they said that Russia was going to invade. Right stooge?



What a clown.

[baldrick]

it has become rater obvious that pootin is very stupid and the simps who were gushing overs his 4d chess skillz never realized that their narcissistic idol was a common con artist

very reminiscent of drumpf and his fawning droves

[bsnub]

very reminiscent of drumpf and his fawning droves

Indeed, and the lemmings are grasping at the last bits of ground as he drags them off the cliff.

[David48atTD]

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2022/03/12/the-us-and-ukraine-have-every-reason-to-lie-about-the-war/

Who is Caitlin Johnstone?

---

Anatomy of a Far Left Conspiracy Nut

We take you inside the mind Caitlin Johnstone, a member of the far left movement dedicated to spreading vile conspiracy theories and atrocious journalism.

Her writing can basically be characterized as

• an astonishing display of emotionally manipulative narcissism,
• devoid of logic, fact or sanity that would be laughed out of any reputable media outlet.

But this is the era of the internet, and apparently anyone can make a buck pretending to be a journalist. Johnstone believes herself to be a major player in the war against the evil, amorphous "Deep State" trying to blow up the world (yes, really) by creating a nuclear conflict with Russia.

Caitlin Johnstone: Anatomy of a Far Left Conspiracy Nut - The Daily Banter


alt-left nutter ... next

[bsnub]

We take you inside the mind Caitlin Johnstone, a member of the far left movement dedicated to spreading vile conspiracy theories and atrocious journalism.

Another one bites the dust.

[harrybarracuda]

Oh yeah, that bint's cheese slid off the cracker a long time ago.

She likes to call herself a "rogue journalist" although I suspect that's a euphemism for "attention seeking crackpot".

[sabang]

I like a lot of Catty's seditious writing actually. She's a spitfire! Anyway, read and decide for yourself. Copying her work is much easier than writing from scratch myself in this instance. The strange sequence of:-
1/ the admission by Ms 'Fuck the EU" Nuland that the US had biolabs in Ukraine before a US Senate committee, and they were concerned about them falling into Russian hands; then
2/ The apparent media concerted backflip on that story (which is a lie- you can see the US government docs in a previous post of mine- conveniently scrubbed from the Gov't websites, but archived); then
3/ allegations of a possible Russian 'false flag chemical attack' by unnamed officials from unnamed sources is what raised my bullshitometer to red here.

All in the space of a few days. Does the public have such a short memory? Anyway, Interesting times.

"Proof Of Biolabs" is #3825 on this thread David 48, (P160 on this computer). The links are there. So strange to see this being flatly denied by MSM such a short time after Nulands testimony before a Senate committee. H'mmm

[David48atTD]

I like a lot of Catty's writing actually. Anyway, read and decide for yourself. Copying her work is much easier than writing from scratch myself in this instance. The strange sequence of:-
1/ the admission by Ms 'Fuck the EU" Nuland that the US had biolabs in Ukraine before a US Senate committee, and they were concerned about them falling into Russian hands; then
2/ The apparent media concerted backflip on that story (which is a lie- you can see the US government docs in a previous post of mine- conveniently scrubbed from the Gov't websites, but archived); then
3/ allegations of a possible Russian 'false flag chemical attack' by unnamed officials from unnamed sources is what raised my bullshitometer to red here.

All in the space of a few days. Does the public have such a short memory? Anyway, Interesting times.

Links?

[bsnub]

Anything to keep from talking about the actual war.

[harrybarracuda]

I like a lot of Catty's seditious writing actually.

Of course you do, and you probably claim you agree with it. Which makes you look even more stupid.

[HermantheGerman]

Confirmed facts, are out there, to post here on TD.

Like I said: "All your posts are confirmed bullshit".

So easy to shut up a communist swine!

[HermantheGerman]

Of course you do, and you probably claim you agree with it. Which makes you look even more stupid.

What do you expect? Posting a interview with Scott Ritter who is a convicted child sex offender is as low as it can get.

Scott Ritter - Wikipedia

[Iceman123]

Does his unrelated sex offender conviction negate everything he says?

Just wondering

[bsnub]

Does his unrelated sex offender conviction negate everything he says?

No it doesn't, but he is still a sellout who is desperate to earn a paycheck, so he says what is necessary to get paid.

Just wondering

I don't because I have seen it all before from the Three Stooges. They are very repetitive and always dip back into the same trough.

[HermantheGerman]

Does his unrelated sex child offender conviction negate everything he says?

Just wondering

Did you leave the child out on purpose?
Just wondering


People like him should get no platform what so ever.


Repeat child rapists will be sent to penal colonies in the ARCTIC for life under new proposals in Russia

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10375133/Repeat-child-rapists-sent-penal-colonies-ARCTIC-life-proposals-Russia.html


Just to stay on topic

[sabang]

His wiki is pretty good actually- do read it. And the interview with George Galloway...... well you decide (it's not long). Cheers for the bump herman.

[OhOh]

Anything to keep from talking about the actual war.

One recent incident.

Stoltenberg warns Russia against attacks on supply lines from NATO countries to Ukraine

15:57 09.03.2022

"NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg has warned that a Russian attack on the supply lines of allied countries supporting Ukraine with weapons and ammunition would be a dangerous escalation of the war raging in Eastern Europe, CBC News reported.
"The allies are helping Ukraine uphold their right for self defence, which is enshrined in the UN charter. Russia is the aggressor and Ukraine is defending itself. If there is any attack against any NATO country, NATO territory, that will trigger Article 5," Stoltenberg said in an interview with CBC News.


Article 5 is a self-defence provision in NATO's founding treaty, which states that an attack on one NATO member is an attack on all 30 member countries.


"I'm absolutely convinced President Putin knows this and we are removing any room for miscalculation, misunderstanding about our commitment to defend every inch of NATO territory," Stoltenberg said.


The Secretary General said there is a clear distinction between supply lines inside Ukraine and those operating outside of it.
"There is a war going on in Ukraine and, of course, supply lines inside Ukraine can be attacked," he said.


The Secretary General emphasized that an attack on NATO territory, on NATO troops, NATO capabilities would be an attack on NATO.


Stoltenberg said NATO's message to Russia is that "they have to end the war, that we will continue to support Ukraine and that we continue to impose unprecedented sanctions."

Stoltenberg warns Russia against attacks on supply lines from NATO countries to Ukraine
NATO stating they will continue to supply weapons, mercenaries and .... to "allied countries".

Any attacks:

"will trigger Article 5," Stoltenberg said in an interview with CBC News.

Article 5 is a self-defence provision in NATO's founding treaty, which states that an attack on one NATO member is an attack on all 30 member countries."

Ukraine is an allied country as stated by many western leaders.

The Russian answerers Western threats:

Russian strike at west Ukraine base kills 35 as offensive widens

Attack on facility used for Nato weapons training after Kremlin warns on arms shipments

Guy Chazan in Lviv, Roman Olearchyk in Kyiv and James Politi in Washington 19 hours ago.
Subscribe to read | Financial Times

Russia has launched its most deadly attack yet on western Ukraine, striking a military base near the Polish border in a warning to the Nato alliance which is supplying Kyiv with weapons to fight Vladimir Putin’s invasion.

A day after Russia’s deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov branded western arms convoys to Ukraine a “legitimate military target”, Moscow bombarded the Yavoriv International Centre for Peacekeeping and Security, 30km north-west of Lviv. The raid on the base, which has been used for training involving western instructors, took Putin’s military assault to within 10 miles of Nato’s border, underlining the danger that Europe’s biggest land invasion since 1945 could spread beyond Ukraine.

Maksym Kozytskyi, governor of Lviv region, said 35 people died and 134 were injured in the attack, which included up to 30 missiles in total. Russia’s ministry of defence suggested up to 180 foreign fighters were killed. The claims could not be independently verified. Nato said it had no personnel in Ukraine. US president Joe Biden’s administration said the bombing would not affect the flow of support to Ukraine, which it has promised to step up.

On Saturday, Washington announced it would rush up to $200mn in small arms, anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons to the country’s armed forces. Jake Sullivan, Biden’s national security adviser, said the US had moved “substantial amounts” of military kit and supplies into Ukraine and had a system in place to continue the effort “notwithstanding the Russian threats”.

The Yavoriv centre is a training range where government troops have in recent years conducted joint exercises with forces from the US and other western countries, and where Ukrainian soldiers have been taught how to use anti-tank missiles, launchers and other military hardware delivered to Ukraine by the US.

Ukrainian defence minister Oleksii Reznikov described the bombing as “a new terrorist attack” on a site where “foreign instructors work”.

Sullivan reiterated that any Russian attack on a Nato member, including Poland, would trigger a reaction. “The president has been clear repeatedly that the US will work with our allies to defend every inch of Nato territory,” he said, adding: “That means every inch.”

https://www.ft.com/content/8a9c8e30-...5-9d8e71805512

The base with western trainers, western mercenaries, that was hit was in Ukraine, <10 km from the Polish border, with missiles. Accurately aimed and delivered.

The Pentagon informs POTUS/NATO, stand down.

The "NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg of 09.03.2022 statement - hot air.

“The president has been clear repeatedly that the US will work with our allies to defend every inch of Nato territory,” promises, assistance .... delivers excuses as to why it cannot act - hot air.

Pathetic lying western leaders non-ations, reveals their actual, military ability. Zero. Except nuclear Armageddon.

And THE LORD shows their empty statements, to the watching world's leaders.