Ukraine war mega thread

[bsnub]

No serious military analyst even from the US or NATO believes that anything close to 11000 men have been killed.

It may not be 11,000, but is closer to that than it is 600. All you have to do is spend five minutes on Twitter or Reddit, and you can see the massive carnage that the Russians are taking. You are just a brainwashed dimwit.

[sabang]

Just an attempt to feel something.

Quite simple to work out what I really think & feel actually. But I suppose, given the mega nature of these Ukraine threads, you might need to go back a bit to piece it together-

1- This war was entirely preventable, and it's a tragedy. Each of the following three parties could have prevented it-
2- A weak, corrupt and ultimately stupid President of Ukraine; an aggressive, pigheaded and ultimately tragically misguided Nato, and Pres Putin of Russia- who finally declared the war.

So seeing Zelensky the clown is being lauded by the west as some kind of heroic figure in, lets face it, the greatest concerted propaganda blitz in world history- time to speak out against the villain. He is most certainly no Hero.

[bsnub]

lets face it, the greatest concerted propaganda blitz in world history

It really is sad to see that you have become such a buffoon. You are like a circus monkey at this point.

[david44]

This is the warm up bout for USA v China, Russia may occupy, despoil, annex or murder all Ukraine but it is ruined .It will be raped by the same Oligarchs and western corporations, Xi may try and acquire/grab some of the Siberian mineral spoils once Vlad's defeated.

NATO (which is USA plus a few muscular wingmen and a lot of good democratic little nations who prefer US domination to Russia or China, we cannot really imagine NATO without USA, Trumps mention sent shivers through the European continent when they realized they might have to pay in blood and money for their own defence and not sap USA/UK/Canada).

Regardless of Ukraine , I can see no good outcome for Putin, Russia or Russian long term interests.
He has been suckered into what will be a long bloody , costly and protracted war which was partly teh aim of teh provocation.

Once sufficiently weakened and US showing its weaponry, wealth and intelligence has about a 2 decades to subvert or defeat China

[harrybarracuda]

Those Stingers are fucking brilliant. Keep sending them!

[Buckaroo Banzai]

^
Care to explain even one reason how Zelensky is a Nazi?

The Azov Battalion numbers between 1 and 2 thousand members. Sabang thinks it's a good war to create millions of refugees and thousands of civilian deaths over that.

No I do not as I was not the one to make such claim.
Perhaps you need to ask that question to those who make such claim.
All I can do is talk towards the claim that he can not be a Nazi because he is Jewish. The fact that he can as I claim, does not mean that he is.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

No I do not as I was not the one to make such claim.
Perhaps you need to ask that question to those who make such claim.
All I can do is talk towards the claim that he can not be a Nazi because he is Jewish. The fact that he can as I claim, does not mean that he is.

55555
After all these years in this forum , I just moticed that I cant give myself a "Green" or any other color, but I can report myself.
I am tempted!

[bsnub]

Reddit - Dive into anything

Here is the translation of the voices in the video...

Translation:

Fuck a fuel truck, the one with the trailer. This one? Yes. Go, go. Yeah.

Follow the fuel truck. Lower, lower. Lower, go, go. Kill this fucker. Lower, lower. Eat, bitch.

Next. Next, fast. Apc turns around. They are not turning, they are running. Yea it's burning. He's running. Shoot it. Shoot now. Fuck it. I'm waiting for the order to shoot. Shoot. Bitch. Something wrong with the rocket.

Load the next. Faster, now! Fast, fuck it. Take off the rocket, load the next one. They saw where we are. They saw a fuck. They think it's artillery. Burn, bitch, burn. Come on guys, faster.

Up, up. When you shoot turn it upper. Are you already fucking charged it? Come on. Come on. Done.

Why APC? Let's shoot a car. I think it's broken. Maybe he's shell-shocked.

Shoot. Up-up-up-up. Follow on it. He's fucked! Fucked. They shoot at the rocket. In our direction. But we are too far. It's fucked. Burn in hell bitch. Let them shoot. Remove the launcher. Does it burn? Yes. We are leaving!

CNN had a retired American General on today, and he said in regard to the 40-mile-long convoy that the Ukrainians have bogged it down by blowing bridges and then attacking the front of it, electively stopping it. Then small groups like the one in the video have been constantly attacking it. So I think it is safe to say it is no longer 40 miles long.

[sabang]

US showing its weaponry, wealth and intelligence has about a 2 decades to subvert or defeat China

Not gonna happen. The US is already weaker than China. Central Asia, Africa- already lost. Fires at home, just get bigger. Who believes in the US any more, except propagandists and nostalgists?

[sabang]

It is obvious now that the mandate of this thread has expanded considerably compared to what was originally stated, so I too can avail of this broadened privilege.

[OhOh]

Russia’s Ukraine operations enter new phase

Posted on March 7, 2022 by M. K. BHADRAKUMAR

"Following last two days’ lull in fighting, Russia’s ‘special operations’ in Ukraine will be entering a critical phase. As the prelude, humanitarian corridors have been opened in four sectors, per a personal intervention with President Putin by French President Emmanuel Macron. A ceasefire has also been announced.

These four sectors are: capital city of Kiev, the two eastern cities of Sumy and Kharkiv and the southern strategic port city of Mariupol on the Sea of Azov.

Interestingly, Russia has offered evacuation to its own territory and further transportation to various destinations, as the evacuees may choose. This will significantly reduce the possibility of the extremists sneaking out to rejoin fighting elsewhere. But how far the civilian will be allowed to make use of this offer remains to be seen. Moscow’s ‘denazification’ of Ukraine is a major political objective and the Neo-Nazi militia ensconced in this sectors are inclined to use ‘human shields’ to break the momentum of Russian operations.

Without doubt, preparations are ready for stepping up the Russian operations in the above sectors in the coming days. The Russian offer of ceasefire is a last opportunity for civilians to get away from danger.

The forthcoming military operations will focus on forcing the surrender of Kiev, Sumy, Kharkhiv & Mariupol. Besides, the remaining operations to take control of Odessa Port on the Black Sea (to cut off NATO access) will begin which will in all likelihood involve amphibious landing from the south and ground attack from the north.

Beyond this, possibly, Russian forces may aim to link-up with their existing base in breakaway Transnistria along Ukraine’s extreme southwestern border.

The big picture is that Europeans ( and, most certainly the Biden Administration) would have already sensed that the Russian operations have largely succeeded in meeting Moscow’s objectives in the regions to the east of Dneiper River and along the Black Sea coast (which gives a contiguous land corridor from Rostov-on-Don in Russia to Crimea.

The US hype on supplying fighter jets to Ukraine (when Russians control air space!), govt-in-exile, insurgency, etc., cover up loss of face. The US propaganda war is at a high pitch. Coming so soon after the defeat in Afghanistan, this is a devastating blow to US prestige in Europe (and internationally.)

Moscow now expects the Ukrainian delegation at the talks in Belarus to respond to its terms of surrender. Putin has reiterated Russia’s bottom line in conversations with Macron. There is zero chance of Russia giving up at this late stage. The good part is that the Europeans do not want a protracted conflict on their continent, either. They are acutely conscious that they will have to pick up the debris and any blowback.

From the UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s guest essay in the New York Times on March 6, it is clear that the ‘Beating of the Retreat’ has begun.

Settings aside its high-flown rhetoric and its trace of bitterness that Putin is having his way, Johnson realistically proposes 6 steps for the period ahead: mobilise an international humanitarian coalition; help Ukraine to defend itself; maximise the economic pressure on Russia; keep Russia’s ‘aggressive’ behaviour in the international limelight; remain open to diplomacy and de-escalation; and, strengthen Euro-Atlantic security.

Please note what these 6 steps do not mention: supplying offensive weapons to Ukraine to prolong the fighting or bleed the Russians, setting up of any government-in-exile, or engineering a full-blown insurgency to create a ‘quagmire’ for the Russian military — all of which have frequently figured in the shrill US rhetoric. Clearly, at the responsible level, there is a chilling realisation that the Russian operations are on course and there is an inevitability about its outcome!

Simply put, the US has won the propaganda war while Russia is winning the war itself.

Summing up, what happens at the Russian-Ukrainian talks in Belarus will be the clincher. Today evening’s round will be crucial. Russians expect the Ukrainians to come with a response to their surrender terms. If the US nudges the Ukrainians to drag their feet, Russian generals may take their gloves off and smash up the residual resistance with maximum force & even extend the operations to Ukraine’s western borders with NATO countries, if need be. But things won’t come to such a pass.

The NATO is strictly in a mode of self-defence."

Russia's Ukraine operations enter new phase - Indian Punchline


For updated maps, this site illustrates movements by both parties on a daily basis.

Defense Politics Asia - YouTube

[OhOh]

Zelensky the clown is being lauded by the west as some kind of heroic figure in, lets face it, the greatest concerted propaganda blitz in world history- time to speak out against the villain. He is most certainly no Hero.

NaGastan seems to be inept at choosing their proxies.

Juan Guaidó, Venezuela. Ran away + thief.


Ashraf Ghani, Afghanitan. Ran away + thief.


Zelensky - Ukraine. ???

[Backspin]

Biden in 1997 saying that the only thing that could provoke a "vigorous and hostile" Russian response would be if NATO expanded as far as the Baltic states https://twitter.com/ImReadinHere/status/1500782351831662592/video/1

[Backspin]

Reddit - Dive into anything

Here is the translation of the voices in the video...



CNN had a retired American General on today, and he said in regard to the 40-mile-long convoy that the Ukrainians have bogged it down by blowing bridges and then attacking the front of it, electively stopping it. Then small groups like the one in the video have been constantly attacking it. So I think it is safe to say it is no longer 40 miles long.

Literally none of this is happening. Keep living in a world of pure fantasy.

Not sure what the fascination is with convoys. When you have total air supremacy because cruise missiles destroyed every airfield , radar station and aircraft in the country , convoys are not a problem.

[OhOh]

Updated Asia Group

Nuclear Armed Countries - Possible Groupings
Asian
Russia			6,257
China			350
India			160
Pakistan			165
North Korea Iran			45 Unknown (except by Israel.)
			6,977+

Iran is opposed to sanctions against Russia over Ukraine - foreign minister

Amir-Abdollahian said that he was against war just as he was against sanctions

8 Mar, 03:11

https://tass.com/world/1418463

[Backspin]

It may not be 11,000, but is closer to that than it is 600. All you have to do is spend five minutes on Twitter or Reddit, and you can see the massive carnage that the Russians are taking. You are just a brainwashed dimwit.

Hahaha I'm on Telegram feeds from war reporters imbeded on both sides, where the real war is happening. Not where the fantasy war is happening. The same fantasy war happened when Russia entered Syria in 2015. Afghanistan 2.0 ! Helicopters going down everywhere ! Jet engines don't work in the sandy climate ! Just endless hype and bullshit.

[OhOh]

Double

[OhOh]

Russia’s Baltic Fleet is tracking two US destroyers in Baltic Sea - ministry

Forces and facilities of the Baltic Fleet have embarked on tracking the actions of US guided missile destroyers USS Donald Cook and USS Forrest Sherman that entered the Baltic Sea

8 Mar, 07:40

MOSCOW, March 8. /TASS/.

"Russia’s Baltic Fleet forces have started tracking US guided missile destroyers USS Donald Cook and USS Forrest Sherman that entered the Baltic Sea, the Russian National Center for Defence Management told reporters.

"Forces and facilities of the Baltic Fleet have embarked on tracking the actions of US guided missile destroyers USS Donald Cook and USS Forrest Sherman that entered the Baltic Sea," the centre said.

USS Donald Cook is a fourth-generation warship whose main armament is nuclear capable Tomahawk cruise missiles with a range of up to 2,500 kilometers. The standard and strike armament options include 56 or 96 such missiles, respectively. She forms part of US Destroyer Squadron 60. USS Forrest Sherman is homeported at Norfolk."

https://tass.com/defense/1418493

Tip to NaGastan Navy (Worldwide): Be aware of, container ships approaching, drunk Russian captains, and sleeping NaGastan captains.

[pickel]

Hahaha I'm on Telegram feeds from war reporters imbeded on both sides, where the real war is happening. Not where the fantasy war is happening. The same fantasy war happened when Russia entered Syria in 2015. Afghanistan 2.0 ! Helicopters going down everywhere ! Jet engines don't work in the sandy climate ! Just endless hype and bullshit.

I don't recall seeing column after column of destroyed Russian armored vehicles in Syria. Or the importation of thousands of stingers and javelins. It's a different war socal. Russia is taking large losses too.

[OhOh]

Russia-Ukraine talks, 3rd round: expectations fail, continuation due soon

Russia’s chief negotiator, presidential aide Vladimir Medinsky, said that the expectations pinned on the talks failed to come true, while Ukrainian presidential office adviser Mikhail Podolyak acknowledged that there were no results for the time being that might considerably improve the situation


8 Mar, 03:58

BELOVEZHSKAYA PUSHCHA, March 7. /TASS/.

"The third round of Russian-Ukrainian talks, held in Belarus on Monday evening, failed to yield the expected results, as both Moscow and Kiev delegates acknowledged.

Russia’s chief negotiator, presidential aide Vladimir Medinsky, said that the expectations pinned on the talks failed to come true, while Ukrainian presidential office adviser Mikhail Podolyak acknowledged that there were no results for the time being that might considerably improve the situation.

Both sides agreed to go ahead with negotiations and noted positive shifts on the issue of humanitarian corridors that remained inoperational on Monday. TASS has put together all that is known about the results of the three hours of talks at the moment.

Humanitarian corridors


Russia hopes that the humanitarian corridors for the evacuation of civilians from the areas of hostilities, which were discussed last Friday, will start working as they should on Tuesday, Medinsky told the media. He said the Russian delegation put this question in a "point-blank" way to receive firm promises from Kiev’s delegates.

The Russian presidential aide blames the problems with the opening of humanitarian corridors on the Ukrainian military commanders locally, who disobey orders from their superiors and the authorities.

Podolyak said in a video uploaded to Twitter that the two sides had agreed to some changes to the logistics, which, he said, would make assistance to civilians more effective, but did not disclose the details.

On Monday morning, the Russian military opened corridors for civilians out of Kiev, Kharkov, Sumy and Mariupol, but the evacuation of civilians was upset. Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Irina Vereshchuk dismissed Moscow’s option as "unacceptable."

Political settlement


Moscow’s delegates had brought to Belovezhskaya Pushcha "concrete" treaties, drafts and proposals" in the hope of signing "at least a protocol" regarding the items that had been agreed in principle, Medinsky said. However, the Ukrainian delegation took these drafts "to study at home."


Podolyak said that consultations on the basic political settlement package in combination with ceasefire and security guarantees will be proposed, but no tangible results had been achieved yet.

Russia’s proposals, as the chairman of the State Duma’s committee Leonid Slutsky said, included "political aspects, denazification, the Russian language and, naturally, everything related with the neutral status and demilitarization." He stressed that Moscow’s stance on these issues was "not some basis for further consultations, but an unshakable foundation."


Earlier, the chief of the parliamentary faction of Ukraine’s ruling faction, David Akhramiya, one of the participants in the negotiations, said the Moscow and Kiev were able to achieve a compromise practically on all issues except for the status of Crimea and the Donbass republics. He argued that their recognition would be "unacceptable to Ukrainian society."


In the meantime, Moscow has repeatedly said that the recognition of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics and Russia’s sovereignty over Crimea and Sevastopol was its firm stance. The same applies to the demand for a special clause in the constitution ruling out Ukraine’s accession to any bloc, Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Reuters on Monday.

Fourth round due soon


The Russian-Ukrainian negotiations will be continued and Moscow hopes that "more tangible steps forward will be made," Medinsky said.

Neither side has mentioned any specific dates or venues, but Slutsky remarked that the next round would be held in Belarus in the near future.

Slutsky warned that the negotiating process would be no easy and take time. "Let us not succumb to the illusion that a final result is just one or two steps away from us. There is laborious, systematic work ahead."

https://tass.com/politics/1418475

[Backspin]

2 day old map.

[Backspin]

I don't recall seeing column after column of destroyed Russian armored vehicles in Syria. Or the importation of thousands of stingers and javelins. It's a different war socal. Russia is taking large losses too.

You are aware that every piece of military equipment on both sides is using the same Soviet design heritage right.... From the tanks to the aircraft right .... Both sides have one attack aircraft, the su 25. And both sides have the same fighter , su 27 right....

So when some propaganda shows up of destroyed equipment it might not be certain which side the equipment was from right ..... And someone could easily make it look like the other side was the one getting wrecked right...... Hmmm I wonder who's doing that.

Oh and you are ignorant. The US flooded Syria with Stingers and TOW missiles.

Here's some bullshit propaganda from that war. TOWmageddon bruh

Russian Tanks Got a Taste of U.S. TOW Missiles in Syria | The National Interest

[OhOh]

Not good.

Didn't somebody suggest a "surprise", on the 8th?

[David48atTD]

^^^ It's a 'Russian' Map ... and Backspin, I warmly suggest you accompany every post with a link to the source material if the media is not penned by you.

Карта военных действий на Украине за минувший день — Readovka.news

The source seems legit enough, though the map is at least 3 days old.

OH, hang on ... the invading Russian Army hasn't moved much in that time

[David48atTD]

Biden in 1997 saying that the only thing that could provoke a "vigorous and hostile" Russian response would be if NATO expanded as far as the Baltic states https://twitter.com/ImReadinHere/status/1500782351831662592/video/1

Written a quarter of a century ago ... a lot's happened in that time.

Meh