Ukraine war mega thread

[sabang]

Oooo'hhh, Bitchy. Got out the wrong side of bed did we?

[Backspin]

Russian propaganda site is claiming that Anonymous has been counter hacked.

Hackers Become the Hacked: Anonymous' Site Taken Down Following Declaration of ‘Cyberwar’ on Russia - 01.03.2022, Sputnik International

A hacking group called Killnet claims to have brought down a key website affiliated with Anonymous, as well as the neo-Nazi Ukrainian Right Sector paramilitary group and the office of the president of Ukraine.

Users attempting to access Anonymous’ official website, ‘anonymoushackers.net’ on Tuesday afternoon were met with the message “Sorry, that didn’t work. Please try again or come back later. 500 Error. Internal Server Error.”

I just tried anonymoushackers and it doesnt work.

[sabang]

Maybe, maybe not- as is said, the first victim of war is truth.

[Backspin]

I can only imagine the horrors of war having never lived through one, but like you I am strongly against it. It is an IMO outdated barbaric concept for conflict resolution, but there are those who don't think so and as long as they exist so would war. Personally I don't see how we could possible survive as a species. I am reading the Monroe doctrine fictional Book right now, It is not very good, with a lot of what I consider military battle porn , but it was free to me on Kindle unlimited, ,it helps pas the time and I learn a couple of things on the way. The use of limited AI in the control of weapons systems will and is become widespread, the other side has no option to either engage AI, improve it more than the other side themselves of be concurred. It will create an AI arms race, Ither way not a great outcome for humanity.
What IMO is taking place now with Russia is very similar to what took place between the Japanese and Americans in WW2, where Japan was forced in the war by restrictions imposed on her, I wont expand on that, there is a large body of literature written in the Subject.
IMO Russia need's to be contained with out threatening it territorial integrity. NATO in it's doorsteps threatens it's territorial integrity and Russia would fight back as best as it can, and with the tool it has in her toolbox.
Don't think the west does not know that, which begs the question
"what is their end game"? IM it's regime change in Russia, not a bad thing given what we know about Putin, but at what cost?

I believe Russia thought that the US would spend the next 10 years arming up Ukraine and building their Nato naval bases, to eventually back the Ukraine in a war for taking Crimea back. They could set up an incident in the area. And then Ukraine would go on the march for Crimea with Nato as backup.

Public opinion would fully support it. They would say we are just backing up Ukraine. And Crimea is Ukraine's anyway right ? It would be a bloodbath and Russia could risk losing Crimea if it stayed conventional. So then they'd have to bring out the nukes.

[Backspin]

You used to be a well reasoned poster about 12 years ago. Sometime ago, you lost the plot and became one of the lemmings. You bleated on for a month about how Russia would never invade, and the US was lying etc etc. You were utterly trounced. So the irony in your comments is duly noted.

I don't think the US state dept itself believed that Russia was going to do a full invasion. The force structure of the US would be different in anticipation if the US really thought Russia was gonna do this.

[Backspin]

I don't think that there is anyone who thinks that this or any other invasion is "a good thing " What some of us think is that there are reasons about it other than the stated propaganda generated by both sides.




Any such simple Yes or NO answer was no choice but to be wrong because There is no simple answer to a complex question.
Does any person have the right to attack another Person? "a simple Yes or No answered would be appreciated "

Another question that could be asked is does anyone support the intentional start of wars by doing things that are guaranteed to cause a war ?

Whether its Ukraine's God given right to join Nato or not, don't do it if it will start a war. Wait till Putin retires or something. That's what the US did in the cold war. They never crossed the USSR's red lines and waited it out.

[pickel]

Another question that could be asked is does anyone support the intentional start of wars by doing things that are guaranteed to cause a war ?

Whether its Ukraine's God given right to join Nato or not, don't do it if it will start a war. Wait till Putin retires or something. That's what the US did in the cold war. They never crossed the USSR's red lines and waited it out.

You are an advocate for capitulation. When nations capitulate to tyrants, tyrants don't stop.

[YourDaddy]

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[Buckaroo Banzai]

Another question that could be asked is does anyone support the intentional start of wars by doing things that are guaranteed to cause a war ?

Whether its Ukraine's God given right to join NATO or not, don't do it if it will start a war. Wait till Putin retires or something. That's what the US did in the cold war. They never crossed the USSR's red lines and waited it out.

That's my thinking also, why the rush or even the need for the Ukraine to join NATO at this time, why cant Ukraine remain
Non aligned and independent.

[pickel]

What are the odds of Russia doing something big during Biden's State of the Union address tonight?

[Backspin]

‘Pushed back because we’re Black’: Africans stranded at Ukraine-Poland border

[kingwilly]

why cant Ukraine remain
Non aligned and independent.

Jesus fucking kerist, you really need to ask that question now?

[Backspin]

Jesus fucking kerist, you really need to ask that question now?

Do you realize how fucking dumb that argument is? Russia never attacked Ukraine or made ANY threats about it and even shared Crimea together when Ukraine was INDEPENDENT. From 1991 to 2014.

[harrybarracuda]

I have decided not to bother repeating myself ad nauseum

And we can guarantee you're wrong about that, too.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Jesus fucking kerist, you really need to ask that question now?

Stabf corrected, I should had said Could not had

[harrybarracuda]

That's my thinking also, why the rush or even the need for the Ukraine to join NATO at this time, why cant Ukraine remain
Non aligned and independent.

Here's an idea: Because Putin wouldn't dare invade a NATO country that would invoke Article V?

He's essentially a coward playing silly buggers.

[Backspin]

You are an advocate for capitulation. When nations capitulate to tyrants, tyrants don't stop.

Ukraine Finlandization is not capitulation to a tyrant. Have you ever been to Finland ?

[Backspin]

Here's an idea: Because Putin wouldn't dare invade a NATO country that would invoke Article V?

He's essentially a coward playing silly buggers.

Except he said he WOULD attack if Ukraine joined NATO and he's never once batted an eye to Finland , who , isn't in NATO.

[HermantheGerman]

You have not heard that Russia will terminate all who attack Russian troops.

If NATO planes utilise xxx's airfields, they, the planes and the airfields, will be destroyed. Any planes utilising the airfields or refuelled from aircraft utilising such airfields will be destroyed, the refuelled plane and the refuelling plane.

In addition, all command and control locations of the air forces involved in waging war on Russia will be destroyed. Which may be on European soil or elsewhere.

The reach of the Russian missiles, nuclear or otherwise, does not stop at Russian territorial boundaries.

Not the situation I suspect either side wants to contemplate.

I bet the communist idiot came in his pants when he wrote this.

[bsnub]

I bet the communist idiot came in his pants when he wrote this.

It is all a bunch of fantasist nonsense. Typical of his posts.

[pickel]

Ukraine Finlandization is not capitulation to a tyrant. Have you ever been to Finland ?

Finlandization ended with the Soviet Empire.

How about this. Why doesn't Russia change, and meet the requirements of NATO membership? They might even be asked to join.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Here's an idea: Because Putin wouldn't dare invade a NATO country that would invoke Article V?

He's essentially a coward playing silly buggers.

Regardless of how much we might dislike Putin, He is neither a coward or a fool. No one survives in Russian politics for as long as he has being either one of these things.
"One works with the tools one has not the ones he wish he had. and strives to obtained more tools. "
I read that in a Chinese fortune cookie, and I thing it is attributed to General Tsao.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Finlandization ended with the Soviet Empire.

How about this. Why doesn't Russia change, and meet the requirements of NATO membership? They might even be asked to join.

Since NATO was designed to contain Russia, and the then USSR , if it joined NATO In the ocasion of Russian agresion it would have to invoke article 5 and attack it's self .

[pickel]

Since NATO was designed to contain Russia, and the then USSR ,

It was created for collective security against the Soviet Union. That Union doesn't exist anymore.

Socal and all the other Putin apologists bleat on about how NATO should change, and sovereign nations should capitulate. Why can't Russia change? Like I said, NATO might even let them in if they do. Then they can all be friends.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

It was created for collective security against the Soviet Union. That Union doesn't exist anymore.

Socal and all the other Putin apologists bleat on about how NATO should change, and sovereign nations should capitulate. Why can't Russia change? Like I said, NATO might even let them in if they do.

If indeed that remains it's purpose, then by definition NATO should disband.