Ukraine war mega thread

[David48atTD]

The US on the other hand proved that it was 100% correct in predicting this invasion.

Yep ... they got that right.

[Backspin]

Sabang has no leg left to stand on. All the shit propaganda he posted the last several months has been proven to be just that, total shit.

The US on the other hand proved that it was 100% correct in predicting this invasion.

I said on the 2nd post of this thread that a war was guaranteed. I sorta kinda got the drift that Russia didn't want Ukraine in Nato and Nato weapons in Ukraine.

[Backspin]

Richard Sakwa (born 1953) is Professor of Russian and European politics at theUniversity of Kent. He has written books about Russian and Eastern European communist and post-communist politics.



(This is from this book review https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ne-Ukraine.pdf

One such scholar is Richard Sakwa, a well-known specialist in the history of the Soviet Union and contemporary Russia. His new book, Frontline Ukraine: Crisis in the Borderlands(2015),is a description and analysis of the events in and around Ukraine from late 2013 up to,and including,the second half of 2014s

The author considers the Ukrainian events from the point of view of the dismaying prospects of a new Cold War and a further split between Europe and Russia. He believes that the first,based on a “monistic” model of Western democracy,is aggressively expanding eastward, assisted by NATO, and thus has an anti-Russian orientation

According to the author, the conflicts in the post-Soviet space are to be explained by the aggressive expansion of the Western, “Atlantic” model eastward. ”In his opinion, the culmination of this process has been the Ukrainian crisis, which has “created a new and irreparable line across the heart of the continent”

In response to the classic Russian question “Who’s to blame?” the author’s answer is unequivocal:the countries of the West,as a whole, and the USA and NATO,in particular. He also identifies the Eastern European countries as being responsible for anti-Russian sanctions, especially Poland and Lithuania:“There is a group of militantly revanchist powers, with Lithuania and Poland in the vanguard".

He believes that“Russia under Putin is not a land-grabbing state, it is a profoundly conservative power and its actions are designed to maintain the status quo.”Russia “makes no claim to revise the existing international order, but to make it more inclusive and universal” . Russia refuses “to submit itself to Atlanticist hegemony and global dominance” .In Sakwa’s opinion, Russia is kept busy constantly defending itself against anaggressive West. “The Russo-Georgian war of August 2008 was in effect the first of the ‘wars to stop NATO enlargement’;

“Putin is rational and pragmatic”;he simply manoeuvres among various political interest groups and is “well practiced in the art of societal management

“A free and prosperous Ukraine was certainly not something opposed by Russia, but Moscow simply did not understand why this had to be couched in anti-Russian terms and threaten its economic interests

[HermantheGerman]

Are the Krauts indirectly responsible for another war in Europe?
The Germans never put Gerhard Schroeder in his place for calling his buddy Putin a "flawless democrat".
What will Schroeder's response be?

Putin and Schroder: A special German-Russian friendship under attack | Germany | News and in-depth reporting from Berlin and beyond | DW | 31.01.2022

[hallelujah]

He needs to be banned from SC, all he is doing is repeating himself over and over. I started a new thread to try to get away from his annoying shitposts, and it was merged into this thread. Skiddys thread should have been doghoused months ago, and all the crap that the Three Stooges post dumped in there.

He is just trying to derail an actual discussion amongst adults.

His raison d'etre, his whole life, is to be the centre of attention with his contrary, Googled nonsense.

Take his constant proclamations that he was "for the Iraq war until he saw the light."

He isn't intelligent enough to see that the world isn't as simple as being exclusively in one camp, but saying this sets him apart as being seemingly edgy (I personally don't know anyone who was in favour of the war). Any nuances are beyond him, but as long as he gets the attention people give him, he wins- in his world.

He's a teenager trapped in a man's body, but every time you post stuff like this, he just doubles down cos he knows it annoys you.

He's actually a pretty good troll.

[pickel]

I said on the 2nd post of this thread that a war was guaranteed. I sorta kinda got the drift that Russia didn't want Ukraine in Nato and Nato weapons in Ukraine.

I'm waiting for a few years in the future when you come to your senses and realise you were wrong in your support for this war, just as you were wrong in your support of the Iraq War.

In other words, you don't have a leg to stand on, just like sabang.

[HermantheGerman]

I said on the 2nd post of this thread that a war was guaranteed. I sorta kinda got the drift that Russia didn't want Ukraine in Nato and Nato weapons in Ukraine.

And I said "Never trust the Russians"

....Putin is out of control

....Putin is a dictator

etc. etc.

Last but not least

And "WE ALL" know that you are an idiot!

[bsnub]

snubbs ... you don't get banned from a Forum sub-section for being a dick

I got blocked from SC for doing far less than skiddy. He spams the forum with shit to deliberately disrupt threads. Thanks for deleting my thread. You do realize that a lot of posters are put off from posting in his threads?

I sorta kinda got the drift that Russia didn't want Ukraine in Nato and Nato weapons in Ukraine.

That is about the fiftieth time you have regurgitated that idiocy. Stop fucking repeating yourself.

but every time you post stuff like this, he just doubles down cos he knows it annoys you.

You are giving him far too much credit. He is an idiot, full stop.

He's actually a pretty good troll.

No he is actually a really shit one.

[pickel]

Putin claims Russia created Ukraine, but Kiev existed 600 years or more before Moscow did. He's a wanker and needs a good slap.

[pickel]

Belarus is clearly participating in this. They need a slap as well.

[hallelujah]

He is an idiot, full stop.

Well, I don't disagree with that.

No he is actually a really shit one.

The evidence suggests otherwise.

[David48atTD]

Thanks for deleting my thread. You do realize that a lot of posters are put off from posting in his threads?

I haven't deleted anything, and yes, many probably are posters are put off from posting in his threads.

All things beyond my humble control.

[NamPikToot]

Thanks for deleting my thread.

Where did my thread go?

[David48atTD]

(This is from this book review https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ne-Ukraine.pdf

You do realise that was penned almost a decade ago?

[Backspin]

I'm waiting for a few years in the future when you come to your senses and realise you were wrong in your support for this war, just as you were wrong in your support of the Iraq War.

In other words, you don't have a leg to stand on, just like sabang.

When did I say I supported this war ? I wanted to prevent this war by denying Ukraine Nato membership. Whether it had the sovereign right to join or not.

[David48atTD]

Where did my thread go?

The eye of the needle?

[Backspin]

Putin claims Russia created Ukraine, but Kiev existed 600 years or more before Moscow did. He's a wanker and needs a good slap.

Ukraine is where Russia came from. Ukraine is more Russian than Russia.

[Backspin]

You do realise that was penned almost a decade ago?

The beginning of this crisis was in 2007 when George Bush announced Nato membership for Ukraine in the future, in Bucharest. Then the US put its plan into force in 2014. And here we are today.

All for nothing. If Ukraine stayed like Finland, like it was from 1991 to 2014, there's no war.

Bush vows to press for Ukraine, Georgia in NATO | Reuters

[nidhogg]

I haven't deleted anything, and yes, many probably are posters are put off from posting in his threads.

All things beyond my humble control.

Do not think anything has been deleted. Looks like three or four Ukraine threads go merged to this one, and the title slightly changed.

[Backspin]

Bush-Putin row grows as pact pushes east | Vladimir Putin | The Guardian

We had the Georgia war in 2008 and the Ukraine war since 2014. Its almost like Russia really means it doesn't accept Ukraine and Georgia in Nato. So maybe we shouldn't put them in Nato and deliver Nato weapons to them.

[David48atTD]

Ukraine is where Russia came from. Ukraine is more Russian than Russia.

I rarely red ... that dick-head comment is worth it.

[pickel]

When did I say I supported this war ? I wanted to prevent this war

Justifying this war is the same as supporting this war.

[Backspin]

From 2008. This crisis has been a long time coming. Its important to note that the major countries in Europe do not support this Nato expansion. But Bush, Obama , Trump and Biden all pushed it along. Despite it being a red line for Russia.

Ever eastward? A divided Nato pauses at Russia’s ‘red lines’

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In a speech whose tone shocked western leaders, delivered in Munich in February 2007, Mr Putin rejected western assertions that Nato’s expansion was not directed against Moscow. “I think it is obvious that Nato expansion does not have any relation with the modernisation of the alliance itself or with ensuring security in Europe. On the contrary, it represents a serious provocation that reduces the level of mutual trust. And we have the right to ask: against whom is this expansion intended?”

[Switch]

Well you can look them up yourself and challenge them.

Fact 1. Ukraine was not in the CSTO.

Fact 2. Independence was written into the Constitution and removed by the US after 2014.

Fact 3. Finland is independent and not in NATO or the CSTO and Russia and Finland have never had issues with each other.

The US government did not overthrow the government! You buried that made up nonsense with other unconnected stuff. Stuff that may suit your narrative, but is irrelevant to the current illegal invasion perpetrated by Putin.

You have what you wanted when you started this thread. YOU are the warmonger. The thread title proves it, because back then, there was no war.
Now your friend Putin has given you the orgasm you hoped and prayed for. Happy SoCal?

[David48atTD]