Ukraine war mega thread

[sabang]

It would indeed be a major filip to the BRI, + secure Chinas vast energy requirements on, umm, favourable terms... But frackers would be gleeful too.

[misskit]

Ukraine's president: "Trigger can appear any minute" for a Russian invasion

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said the trigger for a Russian invasion can happen “any minute,” during an address posted on his official Facebook account early Thursday local time.


“The whole world is saying this can happen any day now. The trigger can appear any minute,” he said, addressing Russians in Russian. “You are being told this fire will free the Ukrainian people. But Ukrainian people are free."
“Ukraine in your news and Ukraine in reality are two different countries. Their main difference between them is that ours is real," Zelensky added.


Zelensky went on to reject accusations that Ukrainians were neo-Nazis and hated Russian culture.


“You are being told we are Nazis. How can a nation that gave 8 million lives to combat Nazism support it? How can I be a Nazi? Tell my grandpa about that,” Zelensky said. “He was, through the whole war, in the infantry of the Soviet Army and died as a colonel in independent Ukraine."


“You are being told we hate the Russian culture? How can someone hate culture? Any culture? Neighbors always enrich one another culturally, but that does not make them one, does not dissolve us in you,” the Ukrainian president went on to say. “We are different. But it is not a reason to be enemies."


Zelensky concluded: “We want to determine our history by ourselves. In peace, calm and honesty."

The latest on the Ukraine-Russia crisis: Live updates

[Buckaroo Banzai]

“You are being told we are Nazis. How can a nation that gave 8 million lives to combat Nazism support it? How can I be a Nazi? Tell my grandpa about that,” Zelensky said. “He was, through the whole war, in the infantry of the Soviet Army and died as a colonel in independent Ukraine."


“You are being told we hate the Russian culture? How can someone hate culture? Any culture?

I am not saying that they are or are not Nazi ,or that they do or do not hate Russians culture, I dont know.
but this part of his speech is a bunch of noncancer.
One can have fought the Nazis of a country invading them, but also be a Nazi himself? I see many countries that fought Nazi Germany, that now have a neo Nazi element. and People hate other cultures all the time. How can you hate a culture? I would say very essay, we see it all the time.

[OhOh]

Vlad want to own the Nord Stream 2 pipeline and will invade Ukraine to get it

All NS1 and 2 maps I have seen indicate the pipelines do not pass through Greater or Lesser Ukraine.

all the other pipelines the Ukraine owns

Which pipelines are these?

China would be my guess.

India for another.

[OhOh]

this daily hysteria?

News WEEK, being a weekly publication,



can be forgiven with being behind the curve, surely?

MK is struggling to stay relevant, posting multi-year old. Tales of the Arabian Night and pipeline maps.

[OhOh]

What they're saying:

"Another's" suggestion:

"While the Germans have halted the approval of the ns2 they haven’t cancelled it all together, which leads me to believe that they may have worked this out in advance with Putin (along with the French) as a face-saving measure to prevent the war, that no one wants.

No one, that is, except for the neo-cons who seem hell-bent on their scorched earth policy of world dominance.

The ns2 is complete and can be activated at any time and in the meantime the Russians are getting record prices for natural gas and oil is at $100 a barrel and no limit in sight on that. They might be making more money by mothballing the ns2, than if it was functioning.

Even the U.S. response seems to be weak sauce, although I’m sure the warmongering Zionists of the U.S. uniparty will demand draconian sanctions that will harm the e.u. far more than Russia.

China may not be able to officially recognize the independence of the Donbass, they will be glad to buy Russian oil and gas at discounted rates, offsetting any losses from the U.S. and e.u. markets.

As much as the U.S. hates Russia and Russians, they sure don’t hate their oil, as Russia is the#2 supplier to the U.S. If the Russians are sanctioned by the U.S. (and they will be) they should sanction them back and refuse to sell any oil or gas to the U.S. this will send oil over $150 a barrel.

In fact, you might say, they would have them over a barrel."

Edited for spelling and format.

[nidhogg]

Looks like it is kicking off.....

[David48atTD]

What effect will sanctions against Russia have on the global economy?

[David48atTD]

Looks like it is kicking off.....

Yep ... reported gun-fire at the Airport.

FUCKING RUSSIAN CUNTS ... WELL, THEIR LEADER ANYWAY.

[David48atTD]

• Take out the Airport Kiev/Kharkiv
• Cut the communications
• Cut the Electricity
• Attack Odessa ... it's Ukraine's major sea port. Without it, Ukraine is landlocked.

Sad really, Odessa is my favorite spot, along with Lviv

[Backspin]

War is almost guaranteed at this point considering one party has withdrawn from a 7 year long peace talks process .

Which is why this will require it's own thread

As I said on post #2 of this thread.

Ukraine was independent from 1991 to 2014. The US tried to pull it into Nato and look what happened.

[S Landreth]

US president Joe Biden has delivered a statement on Russia’s “unprovoked and unjustified” attack on Ukraine.

A White House statement reads:

The prayers of the entire world are with the people of Ukraine tonight as they suffer an unprovoked and unjustified attack by Russian military forces.

President Putin has chosen a premeditated war that will bring a catastrophic loss of life and human suffering.

Russia alone is responsible for the death and destruction this attack will bring, and the United States and its Allies and partners will respond in a united and decisive way. The world will hold Russia accountable.”

Biden said he will meet his G7 counterparts in the morning [EST] before speaking to the American people to announce the “further consequences the United States and our Allies and partners will impose on Russia for this needless act of aggression” against Ukraine and global peace and security.

“Jill and I are praying for the brave and proud people of Ukraine,” Biden added.

[panama hat]

Some have suggested

More have suggested the opposite - so, you're clearly wrong.



I do love how your 'facts' work. They also work the other way around.

[Backspin]

Putin: Nato has crossed the red line]]

BREAKING: Putin: Russia's attempts to agree on non-expansion of NATO turned out to be futile, the situation with the expansion of the alliance is becoming more dangerous, we can no longer be silent

[David48atTD]

Explosions reported in both Kiev and Kharkiv (Ukraine's 2nd largest City near the Russian Border)

This shit just got serious.

Dow Futures down currently 3% ... 900 points

[Backspin]

Putin: Nato has crossed the red line

[russellsimpson]

I didn't think Putin was really going to be this stupid.

Putin states any foreign interference will be met with instantly.

[David48atTD]

More a bit of fun, who is the current President of the United Nations Security Council ?

Russia ... got it in February 2022

https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/content/presidency

Seriously ... you can't make this shit up.

[S Landreth]

Dow Futures down currently ..........

-654.00 (-1.98%)

Premarket Stock Trading

[David48atTD]

putin: Nato has crossed the red line

bullshit bs

[Backspin]

-654.00 (-1.98%)

Premarket Stock Trading

Meh. Gold is only up $22. Everyone knows that Russia will push Nato back and things will go back to normal from there.

[Backspin]

bullshit bs

Russia said there would be war if Ukraine joined Nato. And they meant it evidently.

Remember those flights a few weeks ago of the UK military sending in arms ? Russia didn't like that. It was probably not a good idea to do that.

[pickel]

Ukraine was independent from 1991 to 2014. The US tried to pull it into Nato and look what happened.

Blah, blah, fucking blah.

You probably blame WW2 on the west punishing Germany for WW1.

Ukraine is a sovereign nation free to choose their own path. NATO was already on Russias border and Putin ain't invading Latvia because of it.

Fuck Putin, and fuck you too you little cuck.

[russellsimpson]

Russia said there would be war if Ukraine joined Nato. And they meant it evidently.

When did Ukraine join NATO ?

That was never on.

[bsnub]

I am watching CNN right now and the Russians are bombing Kiev. This is unbelievable.