Ukraine war mega thread

[sabang]

How Russia uses sarcasm as weapon in Ukraine crisis

Oh believe me, they are not alone.

[harrybarracuda]

Vlad is a bit of an attention seeker really. Sort of like the North Korea fat boy only with more troops and weapons.

[OhOh]

China hits out at US over Ukraine

Intelligence reports claiming a Russian invasion could be imminent have hit the Ukrainian economy hard

By Layla Guest

16 Feb, 2022 08:48

"Claims from Western politicians and spy agencies that Russian bombs could start falling on Ukraine at any moment as part of an all-out invasion have dealt a heavy social and economic blow to Kiev, Beijing has claimed.

Speaking at a press conference on Wednesday, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin weighed in on the standoff on the border between the two Eastern European nations, arguing that Washington has contributed to rapidly rising tensions.

“Over the last few days, the US has been fanning the threat of war, artificially creating a tense atmosphere, which has dealt a serious blow to the economy, social stability and living conditions of the people of Ukraine,” he said.
According to the diplomat, Washington has also increased “the resistance to advancing negotiations and dialogue among the parties concerned.”

Continues at;

China hits out at US over Ukraine — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

[panama hat]

Since nobody will answer the question , I'll answer it myself.

No-one answers your 'questions' because they originate from . . . you.

[harrybarracuda]

China moans about the US again

Should be in the chinky whinging thread.

[harrybarracuda]

[HermantheGerman]

That pretty much raps it up.

The ugly bastard Putin!
I like the "NO SHIRT" sarcasm The big Pinocchio nose

Will the three stooges get it?

[HermantheGerman]

I was thinking about this today

Who was it that named wednesday for armageddon ?

I'm happy that I wasn't the dad who had to explain my boy why the russians would invade us wednesday and what would happen to us !

Fucking warmongers

Just tell him you can never trust those communist bastards. Now this will take a brain to connect the dots, so better be seated and stick to the crayons.
What a coincident that this came out on that same date.


The Russian Duma has stated that it plans to send to President Putin an appeal to recognize the so-called Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics as “independent.” To be clear: Kremlin approval of this appeal would amount to the Russian government’s wholesale rejection of its commitments under the Minsk agreements, which outline the process for the full political, social, and economic reintegration of those parts of Ukraine’s Donbas region controlled by Russia-led forces and political proxies since 2014. Enactment of this resolution would further undermine Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, constitute a gross violation of international law, call into further question Russia’s stated commitment to continue to engage in diplomacy to achieve a peaceful resolution of this crisis, and necessitate a swift and firm response from the United States in full coordination with our Allies and partners.
Russian Duma Resolution on Eastern Ukraine - United States Department of State

Fucking Idiots!

[HermantheGerman]

Ofcourse, I did

Still can't see the connection to graphite though
Your numbers a bit old though

It's o.k. Helge, things sometimes take time to understand.

[harrybarracuda]

Just tell him you can never trust those communist bastards. Now this will take a brain to connect the dots, so better be seated and stick to the crayons.
What a coincident that this came out on that same date.


The Russian Duma has stated that it plans to send to President Putin an appeal to recognize the so-called Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics as “independent.” To be clear: Kremlin approval of this appeal would amount to the Russian government’s wholesale rejection of its commitments under the Minsk agreements, which outline the process for the full political, social, and economic reintegration of those parts of Ukraine’s Donbas region controlled by Russia-led forces and political proxies since 2014. Enactment of this resolution would further undermine Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, constitute a gross violation of international law, call into further question Russia’s stated commitment to continue to engage in diplomacy to achieve a peaceful resolution of this crisis, and necessitate a swift and firm response from the United States in full coordination with our Allies and partners.
Russian Duma Resolution on Eastern Ukraine - United States Department of State

Fucking Idiots!

Since the Duma only does what it's told, this is just more Putin shit stirring.

[bsnub]

Will the three stooges get it?

I seriously doubt it.

[panama hat]

Edit : I'm not going to get into childish faux triumphalism like bsnot is.

Oh, dear . . .

[helge]

Just tell him you can never trust those communist bastards.

Can't do that
He is 11 years and probably knows, that it has been 30 years + since the SUKP had a say

There could be some relevance in explaining him about germans and dementia though

It's o.k. Helge, things sometimes take time to understand.

Take your time

Now this will take a brain to connect the dots

Good luck

You'll need it

[david44]

From another perspective we see the 2 global super powers supporting opposite sides in a European civil War

China despite its markets in Europe will side with ally Putin as it must'not let Russia be drawn into the EU/NATO sphere/access which would compromise its goal of global supremacy.

Similarly the USA has interests globally and as the current hegemon wishes to keep Europe divided.

If a Russian German treaty (tired briefly pre Barbarossa '41) were to flourish Europe would again be the largest trading block with UK French and Russian nuclear weapons a vast military/budget and market of almost a billion will be a force to reckon with bar none on one contiguous landmass not dependent on external fuels.

While all this festers nuclear India and Pakistan keep having babies and mouths to feed.

Pre WW1 the pecking order was UK France USA Germany Japan Austria-Hungary wit their huge Empire


Cold War era Russia was the only threat to US dominance, Japan UK India nowhere near and China in poverty

I doubt China will lead either via war nor economics soon but new tech may perhaps in my grandkids lifetimes as the belt and Rd expands to include mining the Moon Mars , asteroids.

Just as Tax breaks, Gas, Oil, Software like Pegasus and similar intelligence has allowed small or micro states like Qatar Israel Singapore Brunei , Denmark,, Iceland, Switzerland, Norway,Ireland Luxembourg to punch above their weight.
Only half the six richest states in Europe are in the EU, Ireland Lux and Denmark all small under 6 million.
List of sovereign states in Europe by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia
UK s number 16!


GAME CHANGER
I think the first to commercialize nuclear fusion with such such cheap electric getting gold and desalinated water from the Oceans, allowing deeper drilling, unlimited real and cyber mining will GAIN a big lead.
The early adopters will be able to offer free fuel for electric vehicles , heating and cooling homes and industry .
Others will correct me but I believe smelting , shipping, refining use a lot of power?

Of course offshore it may be a non state actors like the medieval city states, the likes of Bezos/, Musk Gates and their ilk and the tech leaders Sundar Pichai of Alphabet , Zuk of Meta and Jack ma, Tiktok Alibaba Tencent owners.

Despite all its faults India UK and USA are democratic with press courts and politicians pen to challenge unlike the East, sadly this may be why the East will win IMHO. Winston Smith's nightmare is real in Xinjiang, Myanmar and heading that way here for those who don't

"LOVE BIG BROTHER"

[sabang]

Will the three stooges get it?

Will the millions of other people that are laughing at you?

[david44]

Will the millions of other people that are laughing at you?

Since the pubs shut only my wife laughs at me , but I must admit going masked to the Burmese barber in my Burmese Dhoti with a Roti always raises a smile from the neighbours "Tamada I hear te chortle as the kids rollover, dad's smile and grannies wink naughtily at an erstwhile hansum falang"
Tom Adder crap which I believe is Lanna for Top of the morning how's yerself kind sir, wil ye be wishing a toke of me bong?

[sabang]

How Western media played the role of arsonist in Russia-Ukraine crisis


Editor's note: Mariam Shah is an Islamabad-based independent researcher in the field of conflict studies and military psychology. The article reflects the author's opinions and not necessarily the views of CGTN.

Russia announced that it is withdrawing some troops from the Ukrainian border. Soon after the announcement, Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova wrote on Telegram: "February 15, 2022 will go into history as the day Western war propaganda failed. They have been disgraced and destroyed without a single shot being fired." This is no doubt a decisive blow to the Western propaganda war machinery and warmongering that has been active since the start of this Russia-Ukraine crisis.

Just a few days ago, United States claimed that a Russian invasion could happen anytime soon, including a possible airstrike and the media hyped it irresponsibly. Subsequently, the U.S. and its allies including Australia, New Zealand, Britain, Japan, Latvia, Norway, Netherlands and Israel urged their citizens to leave Ukraine to avoid a Russian invasion. In recent remarks by President Joe Biden providing an update on Russia and Ukraine, he said, "An invasion remains distinctly possible. That's why I've asked several times that all Americans in Ukraine leave now before it's too late to leave safely. It is why we have temporarily relocated our embassy from Kyiv to Lviv in western Ukraine."

Despite heavy troop deployments on the border, Russia, on the other hand, repeatedly stated that it will not invade Ukraine, but its legitimate security concerns need to be addressed by the international community, especially Ukraine and NATO. Recently, the Russian defense ministry shared videos of tanks moving back to bases, implying that it has no intention of invading Ukraine. Besides, the Russian military also announced that some troops have started returning to their bases after the conclusion of military exercises, as per the local news bureau Ifax. A Russian defense ministry spokesman said, "Units of the Southern and Western military districts, having completed their tasks, have already begun loading onto rail and road transport and today they will begin moving to their military garrisons." This partial drawdown of Russian troops from the border shows that Russia has no serious intention of waging a war at the moment; rather it was more of pressure to caution Ukraine not to join NATO.

At 4 p.m. on February 5, Bloomberg aired a headline on their website titled "Russia Invades Ukraine" and later apologized for the "mistake" by issuing a statement on a publishing error. Later, a few other media outlets used this headline citing Bloomberg and this became one of the most reckless demonstrations of journalism by Western media agencies, clearly showing the frenzy they wanted to create in this entire crisis. In late January, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy requested the West, pointing towards the Western media, to avoid creating "panic" about the confrontation with Russia. He said, "We don't need this panic," at a news conference, mentioning that it is hurting Ukraine's already tattered economy.

If the individuals and nations are crammed by disinformation, it will affect public perception and policy. Western media were broadcasting warnings of an imminent Russian invasion, and false propaganda can take situations to huge mistrust, crisis and devastation. Many people in Russia have termed the U.S. warnings of an "imminent attack" as "hysteria" and "absurdity," and many of them believe that the U.S. is intentionally adding fuel to the fire and igniting panic.

Western media outlets need to realize the level of damage, especially the psychological harm they have been causing due to their prejudiced misreporting. The hype that has been created over the span of the last few weeks has been extremely rash and the U.S. and other Western media have been playing the role of arsonists in the entire Ukraine crisis. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin warned at a press conference that "advocating for confrontation is a regression to the obsolete Cold War-era tactics."
From the very start, the entire take of the Western media on the crisis was anti-Russian. China stated that the inflammatory rhetoric on Ukraine has been "irresponsible" and it urged all parties to create all conditions needed for a political solution in a fair and open manner. During the last few days, rather than talking about peace and possible negotiations that can be carried out to avert any further escalation between Russia and Ukraine, Western media aggravated the war narrative and misused the fragility of the situation. In 2003, the same propaganda, warmongering and false/misled information by U.S. officials led to the invasion of Iraq, precisely on the claims of WMDs.

The hype that was created in the milieu of this crisis was highly irresponsible and showed the extent to which U.S. and Western media can go to vilify Russia by quoting anonymous sources several times. For the last two months, tensions mounted over the Ukraine-Russia crisis and it engulfed the entire world in speculation of a possible war in the region. In these times, responsible media could have averted psychological pressure that was building all across. Now, as a result of successive diplomatic efforts, the drawdown of Russian troops at the border is a good sign and vital in resorting to peace and negotiations. Soon the Western war propaganda will fail miserably. Besides, Russia also told the U.S. that Moscow looked for "pragmatic dialogue" and stressed that it was necessary to continue "joint work."

How Western media played the role of arsonist in Russia-Ukraine crisis - CGTN

[harrybarracuda]

Christ the chinkies are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

[sabang]

So no comment on the content of the article, as usual? And yet again, you fail to notice- the article was not written by a 'chink', neither by someone even resident in China.

Suggest you save your palpable desperation and resentment for those that hoodwinked you 'arry- your own political leaders and media sector. Your opinion leaders.

[NamPikToot]

You keep trotting out the same line but seem to ignore the obvious in Putin massing his forces in a tinderbox and conveniently also avoid the other side of the coin if NATO massed on the Russian border. Your constant repetition of the "west is at fault" just makes you look as ridiculous as Putin's other lackey Lukashenko

[sabang]

Sore loser? Better to take your angst out on those that hoodwinked and lied to you mike- not barbarians at the gate, rather traitors from within.

[NamPikToot]

Sore loser?

Its not a fight, war or any other confrontation that your bloke Putin wishes it was. Its entirely of his making, sending a peaceful nation to the brink of war, threatening innocent civilians whilst he sits in his cushy palace accountable to no one. This is why NATO exists, to counter the threat of nut jobs like him and his satellite morons.

[bsnub]

Western war propaganda failed

There is no propaganda it is hysteria maybe, but that is far different from swallowing the shit you digest. West news is fact based reporting that can be verified by YouTube, twitter, tiktok.

All troop movements and current deployments are easy to see. Your lies are beyond pathetic.

[sabang]

I very much doubt there will be any war at all snubs (unless you count the entrenched forces taking occasional potshots at each other). And I have declared to you from the very beginning there will be no 'Russian invasion' [TM] of Ukraine. You really should hold those who hoodwinked you, and deliberately whipped up hysteria among gullible people, much more accountable. I really believe that.

It has happened before, y'know- and who paid the price for that bloody debacle? Nobody- except their numerous victims, but certainly not the criminals. Is this the Transparency and Accountability we try to sell to the rest of the world? No wonder we are failing.

[HuangLao]

The continued and deepest indoctrination of inventing enemies.
.....and those lesser intelligent that buy into it.