Ukraine war mega thread

[HermantheGerman]

Peacekeeping operations

Peacekeeping operations of the United Nations are carried out in order to prevent or eliminate threats to peace and security through joint enforcement actions when economical and political measures nature are inadequate and inefficient.

Those dumb ass Russians are late again. Should have showed up when the dictator of Belarus manipulated the elections.

Guess that doesn't fit to OhOh idea of peace, security, or political measures. Aren't you lucky to post your stupid and silly BS in a free country.

[OhOh]

Press Briefing by Press Secretary Jen Psaki and National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan,

February 11, 2022

Snippets:

"Q Jake?

MR. SULLIVAN: Yeah.

Q Thanks, Jake. I know you don’t want to get into the intelligence, but can you give us any sense what has changed over the past 24 or 48 hours to lead to your new level of concern?

MR. SULLIVAN: Well, first, I would say: When I appeared on the Sunday shows last weekend, I made the point that we were in the window, that Russian military action could begin any day now. And that remains true. It could begin any day now. And it could occur before the Olympics have ended.

I’m not going to get into intelligence information. But if you look at the disposition of forces in both Belarus and in Russia — on the other side of the Ukrainian border, from the north, from the east — the Russians are in a position to be able to mount a major military action in Ukraine any day now. And for that reason, we believe that it is important for us to communicate to our allies and partners, to the Ukrainians, and to the American citizens who are still there.

I want to be crystal-clear though: We are not saying that a decision has been taken — a final decision has been taken by President Putin. What we are saying is that we have a sufficient level of concern, based on what we are seeing on the ground and what our intelligence analysts have picked up, that we are sending this clear message. And it remains a message that we have now been sending for some time. And it is — yes, it is an urgent message because we are in an urgent situation.

Q But just to clarify: So you now believe that Russia has all the forces it needs to mount a full-scale invasion of Ukraine?

MR. SULLIVAN: What I’m saying is that Russia has all the forces it needs to conduct a major military action. I’m not sure exactly what you mean by, quote, “full-scale invasion,” but Russia could choose, in very short order, to commence a major military action against Ukraine.

Yes?"

So no change from the 01/02/2022 announcement by the Russian MOD.

"Q Jake, why would — why would — can you delve into a little bit more: Why would Russia risk provoking China with an action during the Olympics? And secondly, can you just speak more broadly to the China-Russia — what looks like an emerging alliance here on certain issues? And how much does that concern you?

MR. SULLIVAN:
....

And then, finally, I would just say that we do not believe that China can compensate Russia for the economic losses that would be sustained in the event of an invasion, due to sanctions and export controls and the like.

Just one more thing on the broader issue of China and Russia, because there was quite a bit of hype about the statement that they put out. And it was a notable statement that we have taken careful — a careful look at.

I’ve said this before, I want to say it again — and then I’ll leave because Jen is now standing up, and I think it’s — (laughter) — it’s well past my time to go: The United States, under the Biden administration, has confidence in us and in the West. We are 50 percent-plus of global GDP. China and Russia are less than 20 percent. We have innovation. We have entrepreneurship. We have freedom.

And when you put all of that together, the tools and capacities that we can bring to bear — now that we are more united, more purposeful, more dynamic than we have been in a very long time — we are well situated to be able to deal with any threat or challenge that would be posed to us by any autocracy in the world, including the two that you just mentioned. So let me just leave it at that."

Access Denied

Questions on the Russian and Chinese recent statement. A "careful look" but no response as of yet.

NaGastan and it's allies he allegese 50+ % of Global GDP. "Now that we are more united.

Russia and China, without their "allies", he alleges have less than 20%. With their "allies", no Global GDP figure is stated by the spokesman.

Economically with the truth continues.

[bsnub]

So the usual garbage by the Three Stooges. Skiddy will be awake soon to contribute his usual idiocy. Game. Set. Match.

Clowns the lot of you.

[harrybarracuda]

Sorry, but worth reading in Full:-

No it isn't.

I think they might have to send the bitter, sacked, drunken, wife beating Putin sycophant Craig Murray back to jail.

Good idea.

[harrybarracuda]

Mr. Shithole might be grateful that Putin gets a few of the headlines.

Although Russian doping is doing that for him already.

[bsnub]

I thought you said it 'invaded' Crimea?

That is the problem with you cum gargling knee pad wearing worshipers of Putin and Xi. You can not grasp that an annexation is basically the same thing as an invasion.

[Norton]

I want to be crystal-clear

[HuangLao]

Oh, so much the same as in iraq and syria then. Goodfellas.

You understand how this works, dontcha?
It's quite alright and acceptable [civilised and benevolent] when we act in this manner.....but, certainly not ok when they similarly.

[HermantheGerman]

But a pledge to join NATO is written into Ukraine's new constitution, and Washington has rejected the Kremlin's demands.
"Into NATO, immediately," said one sign, held up by Oleksiy Tkachenko, a 70-year-old retiree.

"Why should Putin be telling us what to do," Natalia Savostikova, a 67-year-old doctor, demanded.



Everyone Loves NATO and Putin can go to hell!

[HermantheGerman]

Why the West’s Diplomacy With Russia Keeps Failing - The Atlantic

By Anne Applebaum (not a communist bullshit artist or third world reporter)

But the fact that Lavrov is disrespectful and disagreeable is old news. So is the fact that Putin lectures foreign leaders for hours and hours on his personal and political grievances......

Russia is in violation of the Budapest Memorandum, signed in 1994, guaranteeing Ukrainian security. Do you ever hear Putin talk about that? Of course not.


Good article! Don't tell the 3 Stooges

[Backspin]

LPR reports Ukraine has activated their drone fleet on the line of contact, LPR says they’re getting targeting information

[Backspin]

That is the problem with you cum gargling knee pad wearing worshipers of Putin and Xi. You can not grasp that an annexation is basically the same thing as an invasion.

Not when the "invading" army has had a military base in situ for centuries before the alleged invasion

[helge]

Putin is a primitive

Hey !


Is Ukraine still getting the gas needed ?

[helge]

So

There is at the moment stationed 100000 troops near the Ukraine.

How many were stationed around there ...before this crises ?

I would like to know what kind of buildup we are talking about

Anyone ?

[Backspin]

So

There is at the moment stationed 100000 troops near the Ukraine.

How many were stationed around there ...before this crises ?

I would like to know what kind of buildup we are talking about

Anyone ?

First off they are about 100km from the border. 2nd. There is always scheduled exercises but in this case , they are holding a fair amount of troops for longer than usual.

The only language the Anglo axis understands is force. So Russia wanted to put some military pressure on the situation while they were negotiating.

The conflict in the Ukraine is a civil war. If the contact line heats up again , the US will claim that Russia "has invaded Ukraine" even though none of it would be true. Russia can support the Donbass with standoff weapons. It won't be rolling into Ukraine like the US did in Iraq

[Troy]

The danger is not so much the number but the type of troops that have been sent to area close to the Ukraine border.

Aircraft, tactical missile, and armoured brigades have been brought forward together with field hospital and reserve troops. They are now in positions that surround Ukraine on 3 sides and are being moved regularly to make it difficult to know where a main strike may take place.

The US is posturing with the deployment of strategic weapons but I very much doubt they will be used if Putin calls their bluff. Instead the West will impose some additional sanctions that will attempt to ruin Russia. This will likely result in retaliation that will try to destabilise the Western economies.

No-one is going to argue with a superpower doing as they please so close to their own border.

[Backspin]

But a pledge to join NATO is written into Ukraine's new constitution, and Washington has rejected the Kremlin's demands.
"Into NATO, immediately," said one sign, held up by Oleksiy Tkachenko, a 70-year-old retiree.

"Why should Putin be telling us what to do," Natalia Savostikova, a 67-year-old doctor, demanded.



Everyone Loves NATO and Putin can go to hell!

Here is a Euro Maidan press poll. The most partisan poll in the country. And even they show that just 54% of ppl support joining NATO. Retard ! Just a slim majority even with the Russian army at the border. Most citizens in the Eastern half would fight for the Russians if war breaks out.

58% Ukrainians support joining EU, 54% support joining NATO - poll | Euromaidan Press

[Troy]

According to my crystal ball, kick-off is on Wednesday.

It might be an idea to knock up a sub or star ship enterprise in the shed over the next couple of days.

[Backspin]

RUSSIA: "What we see now is war propaganda in its purest form. Aggressive rhetoric covers supply of arms to Ukraine, dispatch of military instructors, holding of NATO military exercises near Russian borders & creation of an offensive combined-arms infrastr. of Western states"

[kingwilly]

You're not clever enough to try and be a 'sabang' . . . you simply look dense

And Sabang is not really all that clever, either.

[sabang]

I'm not sure if the composition has changed (being rather bored of this whole fiasco and the embarassing anglo bedwetters), but the original configuration was geared towards artillery and air support- the obvious message to Ukraine being if you attack Donetsk again, you're dust. Donetsk has it's own ground forces, quite able to see off Ukraine with that sort of back up. So in short, the military option is off the table. (unless of course you believe that Vlad actually really does want to invade Ukraine )

[Hugh Cow]

Putin has underestimated Bidens resolve. It is now Biden engaging in a little hyperbole on this crisis and the Russians are now wondering how they can extricate themselves and save face. Biden is playing to a home crowd and needs to dispell the perception that he is weak and the Russians have unwittingly presented him with the perfect platform. The Europeans have been dragged along by the Americans but I think are at last realising that the Russian bark is worse than its bite. Russia needs the west and Putin cannot afford the catastrophic sanctions that the Russian people would have to endure.
Ping will be watching with interest. He is another dictator that needs to be shown some western resolve. It says little for the E.U. when it takes Lithuania to say they will deal with whom they please and stand up to the Chinese. Admittedly they have less to lose compared to countries like Australia but hopefully the EU will start to show some backbone, led by Lithuania.
Australia in another snub to China is now looking at closer trading links with Lithuania. Ping has forgotton the old saying, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". His attempts at bullying economics to divide and conquer may well end up with countries uniting rather than dividing.
It is quite sad to see such politically naive and deluded souls on TD that seem to think that Autocrats with unchecked power will do more for the interests of their people than western style democracies would with all their faults and yes, there are many.
Time and again, history has shown this to be a false narrative.

[sabang]

It seems to me the other way around- Biden & his crew look like friggin' idiots, little babies throwing tantrums. I mean when you've even got the Ukrainian Pres telling ya to STFU and stop trying to panic people, you might say a fairly broad hint has been dropped. They ain't panicking in Kiev (except of course for the bedwetters in the Australian Embassy, jeez how embarassing). To think we once had a good reputation as warriors. I wouldn't pit us against the boy scouts these days.

But of course the western media will try and whitewash the whole thing. Too late- the anglo bedwetters have been exposed, and made fools of themself. Oh, but if I'm wrong you will see a Russian invasion. But I'm not- I am right. I look forward to the day you will have no choice but to admit that. Countdown on.

[bsnub]

I'm not sure if the composition has changed (being rather bored of this whole fiasco and the embarassing anglo bedwetters)

So piss off then. You only spew propaganda and bollocks anyway.

but the original configuration was geared towards artillery and air support- the obvious message to Ukraine being if you attack Donetsk again, you're dust.

You are just another clueless useful idiot spewing falsehoods. The entire build up is offensive and the evidence is overwhelming to anyone who does not have their head buried up Putin's ass. The fantasy that Ukraine was going to invade Donetsk is utterly laughable.

[HuangLao]

I'm not sure if the composition has changed (being rather bored of this whole fiasco and the embarassing anglo bedwetters), but the original configuration was geared towards artillery and air support- the obvious message to Ukraine being if you attack Donetsk again, you're dust. Donetsk has it's own ground forces, quite able to see off Ukraine with that sort of back up. So in short, the military option is off the table. (unless of course you believe that Vlad actually really does want to invade Ukraine )

The whole affair appears to belong to a wag the dog scenario.
Something else is up.