Ukraine war mega thread

[harrybarracuda]

Would placing over 100K troops on the border be Russia "crying wolf"?

I swear sabang is getting as fucking dumb as hoohoo.

At this rate he'll plummet to skidmark levels.

[sabang]

Wake me up when the invasion starts chickenhawks.


But the only substantive thing that has changed on the ground is that UKR has become more militarised- it is being armed by both the US & UK, at minimum.

[HermantheGerman]

Wake me up when the invasion starts chickenhawks.
But the only substantive thing that has changed on the ground is that UKR has become more militarised- it is being armed by both the US & UK, at minimum.

Which ever military you served....it must have been a big relief for them when you finally left (kicked out? )

[HermantheGerman]

I have Herman the Nazi on block. I'm surrounded by brainwashed ppl

The degenerate alcoholic must be on cold turkey again.
Paranoia is always a sure sign.
Common Skidmark, I know you are reading my posts, go ahead, have a slug straight out of the bottle, we won't tell. Nastrowje

[bsnub]

Which ever military you served..

Royal Australian Navy, as far as I know, apparently he was an officer.

How far they have fallen.

[sabang]

Have you heard about our latest toys?

[sabang]

US Gives Baltic States Green Light to Send Weapons to Ukraine - News From Antiwar.com


Germany Rejects Calls to Send Weapons to Ukraine - News From Antiwar.com



Pretty obvious what is happening here really. While I'm pretty certain Germany isn't that stupid, time will tell. Pretty crude blackmail and bullying from your so called ally.

[sabang]

The US would take no military action in support of Ukraine.

Why not? Because, again, Ukraine is not a member of NATO.

Clearly, by its inaction, America is revealing its refusal to risk its own security in a war with Russia over a Ukraine whose sovereignty and territorial integrity are not vital US interests sufficient to justify war with the largest country on earth with its huge arsenal of nuclear weapons.

This is the real world.

And as Ukraine is not a NATO ally, and we are not going to invite it to become a NATO ally, Biden should declare so publicly, urbi et orbi, to remove Putin’s pretext for any invasion.

Biden has already declared that we will not put offensive weapons in Ukraine. If, by declaring that we have no intention of expanding NATO further east by admitting Ukraine or Georgia, we can provide Putin with an off-ramp from this crisis that he created, why not do it?

Speaking last week, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said, "They must understand that the key to everything is the guarantee that NATO will not expand eastward."

If what Lavrov said is true – that the "key" for Moscow, the crucial demand, is that the eastward expansion of NATO halt, and Ukraine and Georgia never join the U.S.-led alliance created to contain Moscow – we ought to accede to the demand.

https://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2022/01/17/biden-should-declare-nato-membership-closed/

[pickel]

NATO didn't expand into Georgia, yet Russia invaded. The wolf is real Sabang.

[NamPikToot]

The US would take no military action in support of Ukraine.

This is the lead the US is taking, good lord.

[NamPikToot]

not looking convincing

[Backspin]

NATO didn't expand into Georgia, yet Russia invaded. The wolf is real Sabang.

[Backspin]

Must be another Norton cuz I never said anything of the sort.

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Originally Posted by Norton
In spite of the diplomatic rhetoric emanating out of Russia they know damn well the Ukraine and it's allies have no intention of invading Russia.

[Backspin]

LBC weighs in

[russellsimpson]

I don't think it is unreasonable of Russia to seek some re-assurance that Ukraine will never be allowed into NATO. Since the fall of the Soviet Union NATO has been imo far too aggressive in Eastern Europe. The west could have shown far more magnanimity when the Soviet Empire began to fall in Eastern Europe, instead they decided to see it as some kind of 'victory'. The decades long shit had to/ has to stop sometime and somewhere. A painful a pill as it's going to be to swallow I think NATO should acknowlege that Crimea will remain in the Russian camp. I would still like to see a free and fair referendum in the two western regions to determine what the will of the people is, stay with the Ukraine or rejoin Russia.

All of the major western powers involved have already declared they will not, under any circumstance, send troops to the Ukraine.

It's promising that the two sides will meet again next week. I vote we turn the page. I vote for peace.

[pickel]

It said Russia's counter-strike was initially legal, but its military response violated international law when Russian forces pushed into Georgia proper.

You should try reading past the headline socal. The article says Russia illegally invaded Georgia.

[Backspin]

You should try reading past the headline socal. The article says Russia illegally invaded Georgia.

Russia's counter-strike was initially legal, but........ We have to sugar coat this somehow so lets just say it was illegal anyway. This is why these arguments are a complete waste of time. Even in the most black and white case, the other side can just deny reality.

[pickel]

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I used your own facts you idiot.

[Backspin]

All of the major western powers involved have already declared they will not, under any circumstance, send troops to the Ukraine.

There are already Nato troops in Ukraine. Just in an "advisory" role. As they did in Vietnam. And they are training guerrilla units which is against international law but whatever. archive.fo

The presence of U.S. special operators is part of a small American military contingent that remains in Ukraine. There are also more than 100 Florida National Guard troops in Ukraine in an advisory role, Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said Tuesday.

On Friday, The New York Times reported that the White House was considering a plan to fund, train and arm a resistance movement inside Ukraine. For the Green Berets and Navy SEALs assigned to SOCEUR, that could mean a heavy focus on guerrilla warfare instruction, a specialty of such units.

[Backspin]

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I used your own facts you idiot.

I meant the author of the article. Of course I used Reuters or something. Because stuff like RT isn't allowed right. Muh propaganda

[NamPikToot]

There are also more than 100 Florida National Guard troops in Ukraine in an advisory role,

wtf are they going to do? provide support in case of a hurricane, anti looting or clear up

[sabang]

the White House was considering a plan to fund, train and arm a resistance movement inside Ukraine

Lets hear it for the War on Terror!

[Hugh Cow]

The tragedy is that Putin has diverted the worlds attention and is convincing the western world we need more weapons to protect us from his regime (we dont) whilst another house in the occupied territories belonging to a palestinian family was demolished by the Israelis. A small thing in comparison but more double standards by the west. This should be totally unacceptable in a western democracy. While we need to keep dictators like Putin in check and keep sanctions on them, we need to get our own ship in order. If the west wants to be the example then we have to apply the same standard for all.
Israel needs to be dragged to the negotiating table with the threat of severe sanctions. The west is becoming more like the "respectable" husband, the guardian of family "morality", who secretly visits the whorehouse when everyone is sleeping.
I did wander off topic but I keep having this nagging thought when on these topics. Somebody did once say remove the spec from your own eye first.
"Western values" only work and have true legitimacy when they are applied not only to "others" but equally to all.
Yes, I know, I have indulged in a little whataboutism. Just trying to add a little balance as I see it.

[bsnub]

I used your own facts you idiot.

It really is pointless arguing with these idiots. They have their heads firmly planted up their own asses. They will blindly defend Russia and China to the end. They are firmly indoctrinated by the propaganda masters themselves and long ago lost the ability to think for themselves. Furthermore, they are the puppet satellites of ITAR-TASS and the Kremlin.

[sabang]

It really is pointless arguing with these idiots. They have their heads firmly planted up their own asses. They will blindly defend US aggression and meddling to the end. They are firmly indoctrinated by the propaganda masters themselves and long ago lost the ability to think for themselves. Furthermore, they are the puppet satellites of MSM and Hollywood.

FTFY

"Western values" only work and have true legitimacy when they are applied not only to "others" but equally to all.

Hear, Hear!