Thread: Cost of Immigration

Originally Posted by sabang

What is interesting is that it is done by a cartoonist based in Pattaya for several years, obviously British

Methinks in order to grow as a cartoonist this chap needs a crash course in irony.

^Is you immigration expert Ant?
Or is you expert on da irony? Remember easy on the starch.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

^Is you immigration expert Ant? Or is you expert on da irony? Remember easy on the starch.

Sorry, what? Again in English please.

Originally Posted by sabang

Australia only has this 'ploblem' with the Kiwi's, a nation of some 4 million people but many more sheep. Reciprocal though- an Aussie can move to Kiwi and sign on the dole if he wants.

That was discontinued about ten years ago.

Really. Doesn't a kiwi have automatic right of residency in Australia any more?

Originally Posted by sabang

Really. Doesn't a kiwi have automatic right of residency in Australia any more?

No, the rule has been changed. Accoring to some Kiwi and Australian mates (whom I assume are correct) there were people immigrating to New Zealand, getting NZ citizenship, and then going to Australia for work. NZ and Oz didn't like this and made the rule more stringent.

Originally Posted by Milkman

Originally Posted by sabang

Really. Doesn't a kiwi have automatic right of residency in Australia any more?

No, the rule has been changed. Accoring to some Kiwi and Australian mates (whom I assume are correct) there were people immigrating to New Zealand, getting NZ citizenship, and then going to Australia for work. NZ and Oz didn't like this and made the rule more stringent.

So-called backdoor immigration. I remember that being discussed some years ago but wasn't aware anything had come of it.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

How can you reconcile being anti-immigrant with living and working in another country yourself? It's a double-standard of the worst kind

It depends on what job you are doing - if it is what a local cannot do then that's more or less fine.

and for the record, I'm not anti-immigrant per se but, rather, believe that numbers should be far more tightly controlled. - The UK is turning into some vast unpleasant 'sweatshop' for the sake of so-called 'economic growth' - not a good thing.

Aussies can work in NZ, but employer must prove that no local talent is available, same as here almost. Besides they pay peanuts in NZ, that;'s why a lot of em are going to Australia.
The back door trail is still wide open, but the easier way is to get a student visa, find the cheapest course then just run off and go to work.
there is one Thai woman with a chain of Thai restauraunts in Brisbane, who is a millionheiress, and boasts that she strted it all when she stopped studying there.

I looked at getting a UK passport, and as a highly qualified professional it is all possible, but so many UK people warned me off it, I gave up. It would be very handy to get an EU passport to allow me free movement to work.

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

An ex-pat living in Thailand is not an immigrant, in the same sense as an Eastern European living in a public toilet in Piccadilly Station.

Yes, but there are few ,if any, genuine public toilets in Bangkok for the immigrants to shelter in.

Whether you agree with it or not, the net effect of immigration is to depress labour rates. Increase supply and the price falls (if demand is constant).
A quicky in my favorite Earls Court basement was £60 back in 1990. Seventeen years on, and thanks to Brazil/E European immigration, its still only £80. Compare that to the (estimate)overhead of the property worth maybe £250 per week in 1990 vs around £500 per week today.

^so it's great for the haves at the expense of the have nots.

What is good about that?

Ethnic-background French flock to foreigner-friendly London

y Lucie Godeau 50 minutes ago
LONDON (AFP) -

Hamid Senni says he could not find work in France despite being French and growing up there, because his north African roots met with latent racism.

So along with growing numbers like him, he headed to London.

In France "the dice are loaded... everyone discriminates, even if it's illegal," said Senni, 32, who grew up with his seven brothers and sisters in a high-rise housing estate in France's southern Ardeche region.

Ethnic-background French flock to foreigner-friendly London - Yahoo! News

Looks like London better get ready for the invasion of the North African French now.

E mail I got today,, sounds about right tho..

Can you believe the nerve of these people? Nine state legislators from the Mexican state of Sonora traveled to Tucson to complain about Arizona's new employer crackdown on illegal's from Mexico. It seems many Mexican illegal's are now returning to their hometowns and the officials in the Sonora state government are ticked:
A delegation of nine state legislators from Sonora was in Tucson on Tuesday to say Arizona's new employer sanctions law will have a devastating effect on the Mexican state. At a news conference, the legislators said Sonora - Arizona's southern neighbor, made up of mostly small towns - cannot handle the demand for housing, jobs and schools it will face as illegal Mexican workers here return to their hometowns without jobs or money.
The law, which took effect Jan.1, punishes employers who knowingly hire individuals who don't have valid legal documents to work in the Unite d States. Penalties include suspension or loss of a business license.

They're pissed off because their own citizens are returning to their hometowns, placing a huge burden on their state government. This lady has some serious balls:
They want to tell them how the law will affect Mexican families on both sides of the border "How can they pass a law like this?" asked Mexican Rep. Leticia Amparano Gamez, who represents Nogales.
"There is not one person living in Sonora who does not have a friend or relative working in Arizona," she said in Spanish.
"Mexico is not prepared for this, for the tremendous problems" it will face as more and more Mexicans working in Arizona and sending money to their families return to hometowns in Sonora without jobs, she said.
"We are one family, socially and economically," she said of the people of Sonora and Arizona.

Wrong. The United States is a sovereign nation and its states and its citizens are not responsible for the welfare of Mexico's citizens. It's time for the Mexican government to stop parasitically feeding off of the United States and start taking care of its own citizens.

^I you set your email filters just so it usually deals with spam like that quite effectively.

Fat bastards need not apply to the pristine enviorns of NZ.

They're not welcome.

Even if your wife is fat, leave her home... they can't acommodate her.

Ain't democracy great?

Originally Posted by Texpat

Fat bastards need not apply to the pristine enviorns of NZ.

Mmm, that rules out approx. 89% of Americans then.

^ I heard they have too many porkies in Kiwiland already. That's why they don't want more heart attack candidates who'll just go on welfare.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

I heard they have too many porkies in Kiwiland already.

True, but the men have got to breed with something, and despite practising for many years, the sheep tend not to fall pregnant.