Thread: A Serious Question

As long as religion is moderate and keep it to themself, then fine with me, but as soon as it gets radical and extreme, then it sucks big time, and that is not only Islam, i goes for all religions, Islam just happens to be on top of the list, getting the most media attention, for there violent actions..

Originally Posted by chitown

Wveryone is laways bashing America and Bush for how they are dealing with the Muslim problem. Please respond with serious answers....

How would you handle the Muslim problem?



Edit: accidental edit. Sorry.

What is this OP about?

I don't understand your OP.

Soraya being prepared for stoning to death, having been accused of adultery by her husband when she was angered by his taking a second wife. Her husband, father, and sons threw the first stones of the deluge that assailed her.


So what is your problem? Women's rights in Muslim countries?

You started off asking why the world was so against GWB and his strategy for dealing with Muslims (I think you meant extremist Muslims) and then have gone on with all the stereotypical reasons why they deserved to be attacked.

A serious question indeed, with no one answer. Here are two thoughts however.

1- Concentrate on the real enemy, Al Qaeda. The invasion of Iraq- a secular regime- caused a large upsurge in AQ recruitment.

2- Work more proactively towards the return of the Occupied Palestinian territories. This is a root cause of a lot of Moslem resentment, and justly so.

Moslem criminals in western countries are just that- criminals, and should be dealt with accordingly. Perhaps deportation should be made an easier option. If social problems are caused by large scale moslem immigration, a government can always introduce quota's. These are domestic issues.

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by chitown

Soraya being prepared for stoning to death, having been accused of adultery by her husband when she was angered by his taking a second wife. Her husband, father, and sons threw the first stones of the deluge that assailed her.

Any link or source for this? Where did it happen and when?

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

It's the fanatics who are the problem. Let's stop them hiding behind the shield of being a 'muslim' like they are the Untouchables & treat them as what they are - murdering bastards.

Where? In the UK?

The Stoning of Soraya M., Arcade Publishing

Death of Feminism/ Women in Islam : Utah IMC

iranian.com: Sheema Kalbasi, I am also opposed to dialogue with the regime because I find it unconscionable.

Soraya M. whose hours before stoning has been portrayed in a book entitled "The Stoning of Soraya M." was accused of adultery because she was cooking for a male family friend. The punishment is carried out by first giving the inmate a "dead wash" (ghosl-e-meyet) in early morning hours before being taken him/her to the killing field where he/she is buried up to the neck/chest. The size of stones is DELIBERATELY chosen in such a way that they don't kill the inmate immediately but rather prolong the suffering for at least 15 minutes, delivering an excruciating death. It is very common that the condemned is alive and aware when their eyes pop out as the mob is carrying out the execution. Stoning is typically overseen by the ordering cleric. Although the barbaric act of stoning may rarely happen elsewhere in the world, this form of punishment is specifically sanctioned by regime's "justice" code, unlike in other places where the act is more of a mob-revenge nature.

Several years ago a woman was accused of looking at nude males. Her blinding was ordered by a mullah judge. The wrists and fingers of people accused of theft are cut IN PUBLIC. Hundreds of people are executed by hanging IN PUBLIC every year.

Muslim Man Who Raped Muslim Woman as "Punishment" for Reading the Bible Sentenced to Five Years - Associated Content



In Australia, a Muslim man who raped a Muslim woman as "punishment" for reading the Bible has been sentenced to five years. This sexual attack follows in the wake of others in Australia by mostly immigrant Islamic men against Western women for religious or ethnic reasons. With many cases or rape, particularly gang rape, in Australia, France, Sweden, and Norway, some cite this as a growing epedimic that the media has left for the most part unreported.
Abdul Reda Al-Shawany , age 52, raped the unidentified Muslim woman as "punishment" for her reading the Bible. The Campbelltown District Court in Sydney heard how Abdula Reda Al Shawany sexually assaulted the woman, who was a practicing Muslim herself, and then said to her, "Let your Jesus help you."

Quran:

8:12: “… I will instill terror into the hearts of the
unbelievers; smite ye above their necks and smite all their

finger-tips off them.”

Here is agrat PDF
http://www.islam-watch.org/Shabana/real_islam.pdf

and

Islam Watch - Islam under scrutiny by ex-Muslims-Truth about Islam (Muhammad Koran Quran Sunnah Hadith Bukhari Islamic History Conquest Atrocity Science-Medicine Slavery Women Sex in Islam Caliphs Omar Abu Bak'r Ali Osman al-Rashid al-Mamun Khali

How does this relate to the question you raised in the OP?

Any comment on the incidences you recount or link to?

Yes, the 'serious question' was an excuse for a diatribe.
At least proviide links CT.
BTW- stoning is illegal in Iran.

Originally Posted by chitown

Wveryone is laways bashing America and Bush for how they are dealing with the Muslim problem. Please respond with serious answers....

How would you handle the Muslim problem?



Edit: accidental edit. Sorry.

Stop interferring with their fucking business.

Originally Posted by chitown

Day in and day out they are killing those of their own faith that are not consrvative enough, marry outside of their religion, those that do not adhere to Isalmic law and many other Westerners.

I am married to a Buddhist, nutter.

Originally Posted by raycarey

lots of photos, but no links.

Not a diatribe - links were asked for. No one has offered any solutions.

Originally Posted by chitown

Quran:

8:12: “… I will instill terror into the hearts of the

unbelievers; smite ye above their necks and smite all their

finger-tips off them.”

Here is agrat PDF
http://www.islam-watch.org/Shabana/real_islam.pdf

and

Islam Watch - Islam under scrutiny by ex-Muslims-Truth about Islam (Muhammad Koran Quran Sunnah Hadith Bukhari Islamic History Conquest Atrocity Science-Medicine Slavery Women Sex in Islam Caliphs Omar Abu Bak'r Ali Osman al-Rashid al-Mamun Khali

Now how do you relate this verse with your question or do you want to discuss the verse alone? Either way, I'm glad to help.

Originally Posted by chitown

Originally Posted by raycarey

lots of photos, but no links.

Not a diatribe - links were asked for. No one has offered any solutions.

We are curious to find out what website is offering such amusing stories.
By the way, I did reply if you can be arsed to check them out.

I have been asked to claify what I meant by the term 'these loons'.

I am refering to anybody who commits acts of violence in the name of some made-up God. Not all muslims.

I thought that was what I said in the first place?

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

I have come across stone-age Islamic problems twice when I was in the UK.

I used to work with a bunch of people from many different backgrounds and there were 5 or 6 English-Pakistani people there. One of the other techs was a 'normal' chap and generally a good laugh, but he did get a bit touchy about his religion sometimes (this was a couple of years before 9/11), but nothing much was thought about that.

There were two or three English-Pakistani girls there. One went to Pakistan on holiday and came back married to a complete stranger (against her will) so that a whole bunch of them could escape Pakistan and take advantage of the better life they would have in an infidel country. A few months later another girl was to go to Pakistan on holiday. We joked with her and said that she's off to get married like the other girl. She was adamant that her family are not backward and would never do a thing like that to her. Well, she came back married, just like the first girl.

Now, forced marriage is against the law of any non-stone age country, but both girls were too scared to do anything about it. This isn't as newsworthy as flying airplanes into buildings, but it does demonstrate that even the so-called majority of peace loving Muslims still do nasty shit to their so-called loved ones, especially the women.

I did date a Cypriot-English girl whose parents were normal (Praise be to Allah), but I think the Turks are not as brainwashed as the rest of them.

As for what to do with them, feck knows.

True Marmite! But that was several years ago. Things have changed since then.

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

I have been asked to claify what I meant by the term 'these loons'.

I am refering to anybody who commits acts of violence in the name of some made-up God. Not all muslims.

I thought that was what I said in the first place?

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

...... specifically muslims who are doing this stuff, at this time. These loons have to get to grips with life in the 21st century & stop banging on about virgins, river of wine & mutilating each-other, or go to hell, via their prefered method of solving life's problems - violence - if necessary.

Hmmmm .....

Originally Posted by chitown

Originally Posted by raycarey

lots of photos, but no links.

Not a diatribe - links were asked for. No one has offered any solutions.

Read again- I offered a couple.

Originally Posted by machangezi

Hmmmm

I know some great guys... who are muslims... they are as normal a person as you can be

Hmmmm what?

Will make up for the red Clockwork.

No need, Machangezi.

I'll red you back instead

^ I won't be surprised.

Originally Posted by chitown

No one has offered any solutions.

You've been posting some pics and stories, but you haven't elaborated what you think the issue is here, and how Bush and America come into it. The incidences you have presented are all well outside America's jurisdiction.

It may all be blatantly obvious to you, but I am not sure what to respond to here.