Thread: Top Judge Declares Global Warming a Myth (from CL)

Liberal Eco-Fascism or What?

"When the chips are down I think democracy is a less important goal than is the protection of the planet from the death of life, the end of life on it. This has got to be imposed on people whether they like it or not." -- Mayer Hillman, senior fellow emeritus at the Policy Studies Institute

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Gore gets Nobel prize as 12 die in ice storms. It's an upside-down world...

Had it not been for Al what would we do. No TD, no global warming debate. We'd be sitting at home watching the rice grow. After all he should be believed.

In a March 1999 interview with Wolf Blitzer, Gore said, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

Originally Posted by Norton

In a March 1999 interview with Wolf Blitzer, Gore said, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

According to Vincent Cerf, a senior vice president with MCI Worldcom who's been called the Father of the Internet, "The Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by the Vice President in his current role and in his earlier role as Senator."


The inventor of the Mosaic Browser, Marc Andreesen, credits Gore with making his work possible. He received a federal grant through Gore's High Performance Computing Act. The University of Pennsylvania's Dave Ferber says that without Gore the Internet "would not be where it is today."
Joseph E. Traub, a computer science professor at Columbia University, claims that Gore "was perhaps the first political leader to grasp the importance of networking the country."

Originally Posted by Norton

Had it not been for Al what would we do. No TD, no global warming debate. We'd be sitting at home watching the rice grow. After all he should be believed.

For once, I believe you are right!

Antarctic glaciers surge to ocean

Rothera Research Station, Antarctica



The UK work is discovering just how fast the ice is moving

UK scientists working in Antarctica have found some of the clearest evidence yet of instabilities in the ice of part of West Antarctica.

If the trend continues, they say, it could lead to a significant rise in global sea level.
The new evidence comes from a group of glaciers covering an area the size of Texas, in a remote and seldom visited part of West Antarctica.

The "rivers of ice" have surged sharply in speed towards the ocean.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Antarctic glaciers surge to ocean


Ice Shelf Loss Sped Up Glacier Movement



Two years ago, Antarctica's Larsen B ice shelf collapsed over the course of 35 days; 3,250 square kilometers of shelf area--an area larger than that of Rhode Island--disintegrated. Two new reports have traced the effects of the collapse on the continent's remaining glaciers and found that they are flowing ever faster into the surrounding Weddell Sea.

�If anyone was waiting to find out whether Antarctica would respond quickly to climate warming, I think the answer is yes,� says the lead author of one of the reports, Ted Scambos of the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colo. �We've seen 150 miles of coastline change drastically in just 15 years.

Ice Shelf Loss Sped Up Glacier Movement: Scientific American


Greenland's Glaciers: Melting and On The Move



The glaciers in southern Greenland are melting and moving. In fact, Kangerdlugssuaq Glacier went from standing still in 1996 to flowing at a rate of 14 kilometers a year by 2005, making it one of the fastest moving glaciers in the world. According to a new study, all of Greenland's coastal glaciers are already experiencing or may soon experience such speedups, meaning that Greenland's ice will contribute even more than expected to the world's rising seas.

Greenland's Glaciers: Melting and On The Move: Scientific American

Originally Posted by blackgang

if ice melts that is floating in the water and its weight is supported, why would that increase water depth

Because the ice is currently sitting on land. With higher temperatures, more water begins to melt on top of and beneath the glaciers, and between huge, deep cavernous cracks from the surface to the base, making them move faster to the ocean, where they then raise sea level. This phenomenon has hitherto not been factored into current rising sea level scenarios.

Unquiet Ice Speaks Volumes on Global Warming

Abundant liquid water newly discovered underneath the world's great ice sheets could intensify the destabilizing effects of global warming on the sheets. Then, even without melting, the sheets may slide into the sea and raise sea level catastrophically.


Giant floating ice shelf off the Antarctic Peninsula marks the end of a great flow of ice. The flow begins with snowfall in the continental interior, which compacts into ice and slowly makes its way to the edge of the continent and into the ocean. As climate change accelerates the breakup of ice shelves, it can speed the movement of the upstream ice across the land and into the sea.

• The land-based ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica hold enough water to raise global sea level by more than 200 feet.
• A complex “plumbing system” of rivers, lakes and meltwater lies under the ice sheets. That water “greases” the flow of vast streams of ice toward the ocean.
• For millennia, the out­going discharge of ice has been balanced by incoming snowfall. But when warming air or surface meltwater further greases the flow or removes its natural impediments, huge quantities of ice lurch seaward.
• Models of potential sea-level rise from climate change have ignored the effects of subglacial water and the vast streams of ice on the flow of ice entering the sea.

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-unquiet-ice

From 2006:

London 'under water by 2100' as Antarctica crumbles into the sea

DOZENS of the world’s cities, including London and New York, could be flooded by the end of the century, according to research which suggests that global warming will increase sea levels more rapidly than was previously thought. The first study to combine computer models of rising temperatures with records of the ancient climate has indicated that sea levels could rise by up to 20ft (6m) by 2100, placing millions of people at risk.

The threat comes from melting ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica, which scientists behind the research now believe are on track to release vast volumes of water significantly more quickly than older models have predicted. Their analysis of events between 129,000 and 116,000 years ago, when the Arctic last warmed to temperatures forecast for 2100, shows that there could be large rises in sea level.

London 'under water by 2100' as Antarctica crumbles into the sea - Times Online

analysis of events between 129,000 and 116,000 years ago

It's happened before, it's a basic and simple phenomena so why has this become such an ideological issue? We need to find out if we can realistically do anything about it.

It seems to me like a case of too little action too late, and we're all at fault (especially the West) as far as increasing Greenhouse gases go and the burning of fossil fuel. Temperatures in polar regions have increased much faster than other areas, and as more dark patches appear, the faster the warming effect, and there's no stopping it.

It's time to sell that waterfront property basically