Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Of course you can let them vote again, at the next general election and any party is free to put it in their manifesto stating they will hold another referendum. That's how democracy works, you don't get another referendum just because a few whining bitches who refuse to accept the result of the first one want another one.

Brexit - it's still on.

Originally Posted by Troy

The electorate have voted, can't let them vote again...can we.?

Britons would now vote to stay in EU, want second referendum - poll
LONDON (Reuters) - More Britons want to remain a member of the European Union than leave, according to a survey published on Sunday which also showed voters want to make the final decision themselves.
Britain is due leave the EU on March 29, but Prime Minister Theresa May is struggling to get her exit deal approved by parliament, opening up huge uncertainty over whether a deal is possible, or even whether the country will leave at all. The survey by polling firm YouGov showed that if a referendum were held immediately, 46 percent would vote to remain, 39 percent would vote to leave, and the rest either did not know, would not vote, or refused to answer the question.


When the undecided and those who refused to answer were removed from the sample, the split was 54-46 in favour of remaining.


That is broadly in line with other polls in recent months which show a deeply divided electorate, in which opinion has swung slightly towards remaining in the EU. The 2016 referendum voted 52 to 48 percent in favour of leaving. The poll of more than 25,000 voters was commissioned by the People’s Vote campaign, which is spearheading an increasingly vocal push for a second referendum on Brexit.


May has strongly opposed holding a second referendum.


But, the survey showed 41 percent thought the final decision should about Brexit be made by a new public vote versus 36 percent who believe it should be up to parliament. Removing those who are undecided, the split was 53 percent in favour of another referendum and 47 percent against.


Lawmakers are due to vote on whether to accept May’s exit deal in the week beginning Jan. 14.


https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...P006G?rpc=401&

Not a big enough margin for me...I'd prefer a 2/3 majority, but you can't have everything.

So much for PM May's worry about democracy, as she said in the past...it's not over 'itl it's over.

Meanwhile she has reportedly said that the Meaningful vote will go ahead , and some warning of entering uncharted territory if her agreement fails. Not quite true since staying in the EU is well charted.

Removing the undecided is a bad idea. They could give you the 2/3 majority you want............ or not.

Doris just been interviewed on the Marr show still as deluded as ever about her deal but did day we are still leaving on the 29 March.

She's going to put a gun to the head of a quivering mass of MPs, anything could happen and probably will.

Can't even think which is the best case scenario, might take to drink, someone said it solves more problems than it creates!

it's still a narrow margin, but yes REF2 would reverse everything

can't let that happen,

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Of course you can let them vote again, at the next general election and any party is free to put it in their manifesto stating they will hold another referendum. That's how democracy works, you don't get another referendum just because a few whining bitches who refuse to accept the result of the first one want another one.

I think the point you are missing again about REF2 is that it gives the final say to the British people, knowing what they know now, and that politically it means the British people must take responsibility for their decision, so the UK can avoid the blame game for the next 100 years when your country collapse

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

it's still a narrow margin, but yes REF2 would reverse everything

can't let that happen,

There won't be a ref 2. Or only possible way I could see it happening and this is as likely as bsnub losing his virginity is if both the Tory and Labour party split and a load of mps formed some grand coalition but if they tried that there would be anarchy. No second ref and we are leaving on March 29 probably with Doris deal.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

I think the point you are missing again about REF2 is that it gives the final say to the British people, knowing what they know now, and that politically it means the British people must take responsibility for their decision, so the UK can avoid the blame game for the next 100 years when your country collapse

The referendum was the final say after knowing what we know after being a member of this clusterfuk club for 40+ years.

are you really sure Doris deal will get through? I guess you are now onboard, as predicted, as this is your only chance for the beginning of a Brexit

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

are you really sure Doris deal will get through? I guess you are now onboard, as predicted, as this is your only chance for the beginning of a Brexit

No I'm not sure and I hope it doesn't but it's the most likely scenario as the dumb as fuk mps are now waking up to the fact that it's Doris deal or clean Brexit. How it's taken the dumb fuks this long to realise this is beyond me seeing as many of them supported Gina Miller court case which basically gave parliament a vote on any deal with clean Brexit the default option on March 29 should no deal be reached. Guess the dumb fuks just didn't envisage Doris coming back with a deal so bad no one could support.

Obviously Doris lies and lies but she did say in an interview today we are leaving on March 29 so unless there is a coup we will be leaving.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

I think the point you are missing again about REF2 is that it gives the final say to the British people, knowing what they know now, and that politically it means the British people must take responsibility for their decision, so the UK can avoid the blame game for the next 100 years when your country collapse

Entertaining the idea of Ref2 for a moment, what would the options be, and would they be politician-proof?

^ Voting in a referendum with the choice between a managed brexit (May's agreement) or remaining in the EU. That would secure the latter vote quite nicely thank-you

Originally Posted by Troy

^ Voting in a referendum with the choice between a managed brexit (May's agreement) or remaining in the EU. That would secure the latter vote quite nicely thank-you

As Orwell would say, let's give democracy a boost by offering stay or stay.

Originally Posted by Troy

^ Voting in a referendum with the choice between a managed brexit (May's agreement) or remaining in the EU. That would secure the latter vote quite nicely thank-you

That’s just a deviant copy of the 1st referendum.
A bit pointless really.

TD needs a Brexit poll. Brits only vote. Wonder what the result would be?

Originally Posted by buriramboy

The referendum was the final say after knowing what we know after being a member of this clusterfuk club for 40+ years.

No it wasn't. Stop making things up to suit your point of view.

Originally Posted by Troy

No it wasn't. Stop making things up to suit your point of view.

Yes it was, we were told at the time of the referendum this is it by the prime minister at the time, past prime minister's and everyone else. Only people making things up are you and your ilk as you still can't come to terms with people voting the 'wrong way' so just try and ignore everything that was said during the campaign by the remainers.

Don't be ridiculous. How can a non legally binding referendum possibly be a final say. It is Parliament that is Sovereign and they who need to decide. A referendum can only be used as a guide and the Brexit referendum was hardly conclusive to make such a decision.

I have said before that I detest the idea of referendums but when Parliament is reluctant to go against a referendum guideline then I suppose a final say is necessary.

Can you point me to where it said on the ballot paper in the referendum we will have another one in a few years to see if you still feel the same way. It's only a few bitter democracy hating remoaners who are still in tears over the result of the referendum calling for another and they will be rightly ignored.

Yes Parliament is sovereign hence they invoked article 50 and passed the withdrawal bill thus ensuring we leave on March 29 2019. These were both passed with large majority. All parliament has left to do is decide is we leave with Doris disastrous bill or clean Brexit.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Can you point me to where it said on the ballot paper in the referendum we will have another one in a few years to see if you still feel the same way. It's only a few bitter democracy hating remoaners who are still in tears over the result of the referendum calling for another and they will be rightly ignored.

Yes Parliament is sovereign hence they invoked article 50 and passed the withdrawal bill thus ensuring we leave on March 29 2019. These were both passed with large majority. All parliament has left to do is decide is we leave with Doris disastrous bill or clean Brexit.

REF2 will be only on Maybot deal, precisely, should we accept the deal: YES/NO

quite simple, either way it's still on Brexit options: Soft vs Hard

Originally Posted by jabir

Entertaining the idea of Ref2 for a moment, what would the options be, and would they be politician-proof?

if the REF2 options are exclusively on Maybot deal, then NO would definitely open another pandora box but at least it would be the decision of the British people

Brexit: 200 MPs call on Theresa May to rule out no deal
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46777987

More than 200 MPs from different political parties have signed a letter to Theresa May, urging her to rule out a no-deal Brexit.

The MPs - including both Leave and Remain supporters - have been invited to meet the prime minister on Tuesday.

Tory ex-cabinet minister Dame Caroline Spelman, who organised the letter with Labour MP Jack Dromey, said a no-deal Brexit would cause job losses.

It comes ahead of a crucial Parliament vote on whether to back Mrs May's deal.

The PM's deal - which covers the terms of the UK's divorce and the framework of future relations with the EU - has already been agreed with EU leaders.

But it needs to pass a vote by MPs before it is accepted. The vote is expected to happen on either 14 or 15 January.

The UK is due to leave the EU on 29 March 2019 whether the deal is passed by MPs or not.

Boris: 'No deal is popular'

Mrs May's deal is facing opposition from many of her own MPs, as well as Labour and other opposition parties including the Remain-supporting Liberal Democrats.

The DUP - which Mrs May's Conservative Party relies on for a majority in Parliament - has said it will not back the deal.

Many Conservative MPs continue to believe the deal does not represent the Brexit the country voted for, and some are actively calling for Britain to leave with no deal.

If the UK leaves the EU without a deal, it would automatically fall back on World Trade Organisation rules - which would apply automatically to trade between the UK and EU.

Writing in the Telegraph on Monday, Brexiteer Mr Johnson said of all the options suggested, the no-deal option is "gaining in popularity" and dismissed the warnings against it which he said were "downright apocalyptic".

"In spite of - or perhaps because of - everything they have been told, it is this future that is by some margin preferred by the British public," he said.

Originally Posted by Troy

^ Voting in a referendum with the choice between a managed brexit (May's agreement) or remaining in the EU. That would secure the latter vote quite nicely thank-you

non-sense in this political environment, the REMAIN option needs to be out, too loaded politically and too divisive