Thread: Israel will never withdraw from Golan Heights - Netanyahu

Originally Posted by Neverna

Israel will never legally own the Golan Heights.

Say what ...........?

Are you so sad that this beautifull land has not become another muslim shithole?

Qatzrin - The Capital of the Golan Heights

Qatzrin - a treasure chest of nature and quality of life in the heart of the Golan Heights. The town is surrounded by breathtaking views: to the south, the enchanting scenery of the Sea of Galilee; to the north, Mt. Hermon in all its majesty and to the west, the rolling green hills of the Galilee.

Qatzrin was founded in 1977, following a government decision that declared populating the Golan Heights as a primary goal.

As the capital of the Golan, Qatzrin was planned to serve as an urban center providing diverse services to the rural localities and IDF bases dispersed throughout the Golan Heights.

The population of Qatzrin has now reached some 7500, of which 30% are immigrants from the former Soviet Union and it is expected to grow into a city of 25,000 residents.

Since is founding, Qatzrin has developed steadily, including construction of new residential apartments and homes at attractive prices, a state-of-the-art education system and academic centers that serve residents of the entire region, outstanding industrial enterprises and centers of culture and leisure activity. In short - everything a family and children need - a quality of life comparable to only a few places in Israel.

Education
The education system in Qatzrin, which serves all ages, is exemplary in terms of formal student achievements as well as physical and human resources. The top-priority status that the residents and local council attach to education has produced a well-developed, modern and diverse education system: day-care centers, religious and nonreligious preschools, the Gamla Elementary School and Bedarkei Noam state religious school and Nofei Golan comprehensive regional high school, with a student body of over 1000.

Qatzrin's growing academic complex houses Ohelo College, an academic institution for teacher training, and the Golan Research Institute, now located in a residential apartment, is planned to relocate here, as well.

Leisure and Culture
The Qatzrin Community Center is the focus of the community and social life of the town. It reaches out to all sectors of the population and all age groups, offering activities in education, culture, sport and other leisure fields.
Early education activities are open to parents and toddlers, who enjoy art, music, sports and English classes.

Ancient Qatzrin
photo by Rina Nagila

For children aged 6-12, there is a research and a study project to encourage enrichment and excellence, as well as sports and martial arts classes.
The teenagers spend their free time in an open social club, youth movements and courses for young counselors.

Adults engage in sports, art workshops, classes and a choral group. The seniors group is constantly busy with programs at the Senior Citizen Center and specially tailored tours.

Our flagship projects are the dance studio, the music studio and the religious community center, which contributes to an atmosphere of mutual tolerance and respect between the religious and non-religious in our community.
The new modern health club offers an indoor swimming pool, gym, spa facilities and tennis courts.

Tourism
Qatzrin is the center of tourism in the Golan Heights, offering visitors a wide range of experiences and attractions.

The Kisrin ancient Talmudic village, where Jews resided for centuries until it was destroyed by an earthquake 1300 years ago, gives new the city its name. The village features a magnificent, partially reconstructed synagogue and the ruins of residential buildings.

The Talmud Experience at Ancient Qatzrin Park includes two fascinating adaptations of stories from the Mishnaic period, presented inside a building designed to simulate an ancient synagogue, with murals and a mosaic floor.
The Golan Antiquities Museum displays many archeological artifacts that were discovered in the Golan Heights, as well as a fascinating audiovisual presentation on the story of Gamla, the city renowned for its heroic resistance during the Jewish Revolt against the Romans.

Golan Magic (Kessem Hagolan), a modern visitor center, includes a multi-sensory presentation, shown on a 180-degree screen and a huge model of the Golan Heights, including full explanation in several languages.

Growing Industry
The fine Golan Heights Winery and Mei Eden Mineral Water have gained an international reputation, earning Qatzrin a name as "the city of water and wine."
These industries serve as the major employers in the area and contribute significantly to tourism in Qatzrin and the Golan Heights with their state-of-the-art visitor centers.

The nearby Golan Olive Oil Mill produces high-quality olive oil and cosmetics. At its visitors center tourists learn about production method and taste the oils.
The well-kept industrial park also includes Ramat Hagolan Dairies, which produces long-life milk, the Banda Plast factory, Night Light Technologies, which developed sophisticated night vision systems and the Technological Incubator, where dozens of scientists develop innovative projects.

Hutzot Hagolan, a project that connects the industrial park to Qatzrin Park, is a commercial and tourist center, housing a supermarket, restaurants, stores and other amenities.

The Golan Brewery, well worth a visit, manufactures different types of fresh, unpasteurized beer.

A Green City
In the past year Qatzrin has begun to develop a plan to increase public awareness of the environment. In the upcoming months Qatzrin plans to establish a PELA (Waste to Energy) Center. As part of the program, students will collect waste from the residents for recycling at the center.

In addition, the schools and preschools conduct educational activities and projects aimed at increasing the children's awareness of recycling and higher-quality life.

Our aim is to become a truly green city within a short period.

Education is something that makes the jews different from ...well you know who I mean

101 years ago...do not forget Gallipoli. It's ANZAC Day.
War is hell. To the victors went the spoils by the spilt blood of innocent youth.
The British Empire. The Ottoman Empire.
Never forget those that died or why.
Unfortunately never the best recipe for future peace. Ask Cain. Ask Abel.

Originally Posted by OhOh

The Palestinians could do with that water in Gaza. No water for the population, no water for growing crops.

But hey, lets create water demanding vineyards, make a few shekels and lots of flowers in our new public parks. Fuck the Israelis. Arseholes the lot of them. Allowed to live and exceptional existence by the other exceptional failed state and it's sheeple.

As some have said oil is a bonus, number 1 is water.

I attended a conference put on by the UK water industry. One presenter was from Israel. His slides showed that without water from the Golan heights Israel would revert back to a desert. I asked a question regarding his map and he replied that indeed the main water sources were in fact from the lands illegally occupied or the Sea of Galilee/supplying rivers, illegally extracted to the detriment of the surrounding Arab countries.

I would not have thought that the Gazan's were over bothered about growing crops if this well documented article means anything Looters strip Gaza greenhouses - World news - Mideast/N. Africa | NBC News

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by OhOh

The Palestinians could do with that water in Gaza. No water for the population, no water for growing crops.

But hey, lets create water demanding vineyards, make a few shekels and lots of flowers in our new public parks. Fuck the Israelis. Arseholes the lot of them. Allowed to live and exceptional existence by the other exceptional failed state and it's sheeple.

As some have said oil is a bonus, number 1 is water.

I attended a conference put on by the UK water industry. One presenter was from Israel. His slides showed that without water from the Golan heights Israel would revert back to a desert. I asked a question regarding his map and he replied that indeed the main water sources were in fact from the lands illegally occupied or the Sea of Galilee/supplying rivers, illegally extracted to the detriment of the surrounding Arab countries.

Israel now supplys Gaza with 10 million cubic meter's of water a year I wonder what would happen if they just turned off the tap ?Israel to Double Amount of Water Supplied to Gaza - Diplomacy and Defense - Haaretz

Be interesting when they start supplying them with the oil and gas that belongs to the Palestinians too.

Originally Posted by OhOh

The Palestinians could do with that water in Gaza. No water for the population, no water for growing crops.

But hey, lets create water demanding vineyards, make a few shekels and lots of flowers in our new public parks. Fuck the Israelis. Arseholes the lot of them. Allowed to live and exceptional existence by the other exceptional failed state and it's sheeple.

As some have said oil is a bonus, number 1 is water.

I attended a conference put on by the UK water industry. One presenter was from Israel. His slides showed that without water from the Golan heights Israel would revert back to a desert. I asked a question regarding his map and he replied that indeed the main water sources were in fact from the lands illegally occupied or the Sea of Galilee/supplying rivers, illegally extracted to the detriment of the surrounding Arab countries.

Hey The Israeli's have fish farms in the Negev Desert , clever fuckers these Jews eh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by OhOh

The Palestinians could do with that water in Gaza. No water for the population, no water for growing crops.

But hey, lets create water demanding vineyards, make a few shekels and lots of flowers in our new public parks. Fuck the Israelis. Arseholes the lot of them. Allowed to live and exceptional existence by the other exceptional failed state and it's sheeple.

As some have said oil is a bonus, number 1 is water.

I attended a conference put on by the UK water industry. One presenter was from Israel. His slides showed that without water from the Golan heights Israel would revert back to a desert. I asked a question regarding his map and he replied that indeed the main water sources were in fact from the lands illegally occupied or the Sea of Galilee/supplying rivers, illegally extracted to the detriment of the surrounding Arab countries.

Israel now supplys Gaza with 10 million cubic meter's of water a year I wonder what would happen if they just turned off the tap ?Israel to Double Amount of Water Supplied to Gaza - Diplomacy and Defense - Haaretz

Be interesting when they start supplying them with the oil and gas that belongs to the Palestinians too.

The Israeli's supply hundreds of thousands of tonnes of building materials to Gaza , much of it goes into Hamas building tunnel;s into Israel .

Originally Posted by piwanoi

I would not have thought that the Gazan's were over bothered about growing crops if this well documented article means anything Looters strip Gaza greenhouses - World news - Mideast/N. Africa | NBC News

No it doesn't. An army, knowing they will retreat do not have the luxury of the time to grow crops.

^ Along with a port, an airport, sufficient building materials, except of course the steel pipes which could be used to make nuclear tipped missiles being described by some as "dual use". All to replicate the Israeli success of growing irrigated crops on the Palastinian land returned to it's rightful owners.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by piwanoi

I would not have thought that the Gazan's were over bothered about growing crops if this well documented article means anything Looters strip Gaza greenhouses - World news - Mideast/N. Africa | NBC News

No it doesn't. An army, knowing they will retreat do not have the luxury of the time to grow crops.

^ Along with a port, an airport, sufficient building materials to replicate the Israeli success of growing irrigated crops on the Palastinian land returned to it's rightful owners.

So the article (if you had cared to read it ) is complete hogwash then ?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Who the fuck are the Arabs to determine what a foreign country's residents are allowed to have?

Fixed that 4 ya.

Rainwater from the Golan's catchment feeds into the Jordan River. The area provides a third of Israel's water supply.

Golan Heights profile - BBC News

Shebaa Farms “real issue” is water

The politics of the Israeli-occupied Shebaa Farms, a rugged sliver of mountainside wedged between Lebanon, Israel and Syria, have long overshadowed what some Lebanese environmentalists call “the real issue” of the disputed area: its water resources.

Lebanon and Syria say the Shebaa Farms, measuring just 22 square kilometers, is Lebanese territory, though the UN has ruled it part of the Syrian Golan Heights, which lie just to the east, across water-rich Mount Hermon.

Both the Golan and Shebaa were occupied by Israel during the 1967 War and the Israelis say disengagement from Shebaa can only come under a peace deal with Syria and withdrawal from the Golan.

However, Fadi Comair, director-general of Hydraulic and Electric Resources at the Lebanese Ministry of Energy and Water, argues there is more to Israel’s occupation of Shebaa than military-strategic concerns: “Israel’s occupation of the Shebaa Farms has to do with control of its water.”

Meeting the water needs of their rapidly growing populations has long been an existential challenge for the governments of the arid Middle East. Climate change is making that challenge more urgent and acute.

Israel, Jordan and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) all fall well below the internationally accepted threshold of 1,000 cubic meters of water per person per year (cmwpy). According to the IISD, Israel has natural renewable water resources of 265 cmwpy, Jordan 169, and OPT just 90. Only Lebanon and Syria have water surpluses, with Lebanon having a potential of 1,220 cmwpy and Syria 1,541.

Yet supply is dwindling rapidly. By 2025 water use in Israel is estimated to fall to 310 cmwpy, while the country’s own Environment Ministry has warned that water supply may fall by 60 percent of 2000 levels by 2100.

The IISD report goes even further, warning that the River Jordan, which is the key supplier of water to Israel, Jordan and OPT, could shrink as much as 80 percent by the end of the century.

Such drastic scarcity makes securing water supplies vital. The River Jordan rises in Mount Hermon, fed by tributaries in the Golan Heights and Shebaa Farms, and flows into the Sea of Galilee, also known as Lake Tiberius, before continuing south where it forms the boundary between Jordan, to the east, and the West Bank. After 320 kilometers it empties into the Dead Sea.

The absence of hydro-diplomacy reflects conflict in the region. In 1965, Syria and Lebanon began the construction of channels to divert the Banias and Hasbani, preventing the rivers flowing into Israel. Israel attacked the diversion works, the first in a series of moves that led to a regional war two years later.

More here.
https://electronicintifada.net/conte...sue-water/8438

Then there is the issue of access to the water of Lake Tiberias/The Sea of Galilee from the Golan Heights.

War over Water (Jordan river)

The "War over Water" , also the Battle over Water , refers to a series of confrontations between Israel and its Arab neighbors from November 1964 to May 1967 over control of water sources in the Jordan River drainage basin.

The 1949 Armistice Agreements which followed the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, created three demilitarized zones on the Israel-Syria border. The southernmost, and also the largest, stretched from the south-eastern part of the Sea of Galilee eastwards to the Yarmuk River where the borders of Israel, Jordan and Syria converge. The issue of water sharing from the Jordan–Yarmuk system turned out to be a major problem between Israel, Syria and Jordan.

Small scale water-related skirmishes had occurred following the 1949 agreements.

In July 1953, Israel began construction of an intake for its National Water Carrier at the Daughters of Jacob Jordan Bridge in the demilitarized zone north of the Sea of Galilee.

Syrian artillery units opened fire on the construction site.

The United Nations security council majority (excepting the USSR) voted for the resumption of work by Israel. The Israelis then moved the intake to an economically inferior site at the Sea of Galilee.

At 1955 the Jordan Valley Unified Water Plan (Johnston Plan) was accepted by the technical committees of both Israel and the Arab League, but the Arab League Council decided not to ratify the plan on 11 October 1955.

According to most observers, including Johnston himself, the Arab non-adoption of the plan was not total rejection. While they failed to approve it politically, yet they seemed determined to adhere to the technical details of the agreement. Moreover, it continued to be taken seriously by Arab leaders.

Though the Unified Plan failed to be ratified, both Jordan and Israel undertook to operate within their allocation limits.

Israel completed its National Water Carrier project, which siphoned water from the Sea of Galilee in 1964. The initial diversion capacity of the National Water Carrier, without supplementary booster pumps, was 320 million m3, well within the limits of the Johnston Plan.




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Nevertheless, the Arab states were not prepared to coexist with a project which seemed likely to make a major contribution to Israel economic growth.

In January 1964 an Arab League summit meeting convened in Cairo and decided:
The establishment of Israel is the basic threat that the Arab nation in its entirety has agreed to forestall.

And Since the existence of Israel is a danger that threatens the Arab nation, the diversion of the Jordan waters by it multiplies the dangers to Arab existence.

Accordingly, the Arab states have to prepare the plans necessary for dealing with the political, economic and social aspects, so that if necessary results are not achieved, collective Arab military preparations, when they are not completed, will constitute the ultimate practical means for the final liquidation of Israel.

The Arab states decided to deprive Israel of 35% of the National Water Carrier capacity, by a diversion of the Jordan River headwaters (both the Hasbani and the Banias) to the Yarmouk River. The scheme was only marginally feasible, as it was technically difficult and expensive.

A major escalation took place in 1964 when Israel declared it would regard such a project as an infringement on its sovereign rights.

In 1965, there were 3 notable border clashes, starting with Syrian shootings of Israeli farmers and army patrols, followed by Israeli tanks and artillery destroying the Arab heavy earth moving machines that were used for the diversion plan.
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The Arab countries eventually abandoned their project. Control of water resources and Israeli military attacks against the diversion effort are considered among the factors which led to the Six-Day War in June 1967.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_ov..._(Jordan_river)

Blah blah blah blah blah....
Nobody can honestly, factually, deny that modern Israel is populated by a majority of Europeans and 2nd, 3rd generation Europeans (and in recent decades, Russians if some want to be pedantic about "European").

Everybody needs to get away from the sleight of hand that confuses Jewish identity and security, with Zionist imperialism.

Let the 1948 Israel, Land of The Jews, exist in security and autonomy.
Stop the illegal, racist, immoral, and downright wrong occupation of land that was never theirs.

It is clear that Zionist plans, formulated many years ago, are attempting to grab as much land and resources as possible. ("Grab" = steal).

The Golan Heights issue is exemplary. Can anyone imagine a situation in, say a London or Chicago or Auckland or Sydney neighbourhood, whereby a household moves the fences, expanding their landholding, and justifies this illegal act with, "Well, my family is oppressed by the neighbours, so I need this buffer zone"?

Members write about so called injustices but not a peep about Tibet , of course it would have been far different if the Jews had been responsible for 1.2 million Tibetan deaths eh? Tibet Justice Center - Tibet Justice Center Reports

Not a peep about South America , North America, Australia, New Zealand, South Pacific...indigenous people got taken...seriously taken...yet thenworld moved and continues to move on.

Yup, Rome conquered Judea...but so what.
The British took it from the Turks...so WTF ?
It's clustered , isn't it ?

Next thing you'll know is that the 'purr-fectrion-ists" will complain about the Kashmir. Then again as an afterthought , they won't.
The Juice (Joos)...yes, been a complaint from the Brits a long train a running.
Sure ,,when you really think about it Britain fooked up royally , eh.
British Mandate? Well done , Guv.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Not a peep about South America , North America, Australia, New Zealand, South Pacific...indigenous people got taken...seriously taken...yet thenworld moved and continues to move on.

Yup, Rome conquered Judea...but so what.
The British took it from the Turks...so WTF ?
It's clustered , isn't it ?

Next thing you'll know is that the 'purr-fectrion-ists" will complain about the Kashmir. Then again as an afterthought , they won't.
The Juice (Joos)...yes, been a complaint from the Brits a long train a running.
Sure ,,when you really think about it Britain fooked up royally , eh.
British Mandate? Well done , Guv.

Yeah Pee, with certain members blatant Hypocrisy combined with convenient memory loss is very much alive and well on these boards

Now don't get me wrong...Israel is far from innocence lost and perfect.
Point a finger at any country across the globe...different poop...same stench.

Sadly the nice Joos died in the ovens...their children are quite different for some reason , eh. One can only conjecture as to why.
The Brits have got deep shyte on their boots from two centuries of Empire building. I guess it's simply cartharsis for some in WASP-land. 'God save Her Majesty the Queen.'

[No offense intended.]

Originally Posted by Maanaam

It is clear that Zionist plans, formulated many years ago, are attempting to grab as much land and resources as possible..

^ Nonsense.

Britain dealt a double-header in the execution of the mandate for Palestine.

On the one hand was the McMahon-Hussein agreement of 1915 and on the other was the Balfour Declaration of 1917.


The letter from McMahon to Hussein dated 24 October 1915 declared Britain's willingness to recognize the independence of the Arabs subject to certain exemptions:

The districts of Mersina and Alexandretta, and portions of Syria lying to the west of the districts of Damascus, Homs, Hama and Aleppo, cannot be said to be purely Arab, and must on that account be excepted from the proposed limits and boundaries.

With the above modification and without prejudice to our existing treaties concluded with Arab Chiefs, we accept these limits and boundaries, and in regard to the territories therein in which Great Britain is free to act without detriment to interests of her ally France, I am empowered in the name of the Government of Great Britain to give the following assurance and make the following reply to your letter:

Subject to the above modifications, Great Britain is prepared to recognize and support the independence of the Arabs within the territories in the limits and boundaries proposed by the Sherif of Mecca.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMaho...Correspondence



"Districts" according to the McMahon letter and their administrative category in the Ottoman Empire



Not to be confused with Balfour Declaration of 1926.
Balfour Declaration
Created 2 Nov 1917

Purpose Confirming support from the British government for the establishment in Palestine of a "national home" for the Jewish people
The Balfour Declaration was a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. It read:

His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

The text of the letter was published in the press one week later, on 9 November 1917.

The "Balfour Declaration" was later incorporated into both the Sèvres peace treaty with the Ottoman Empire, and the Mandate for Palestine.


The declaration was in contrast to the McMahon-Hussein correspondence, which promised the Arab independence movement control of the Middle East territories "in the limits and boundaries proposed by the Sherif of Mecca" in exchange for revolting against the Ottoman Empire during World War I.

The issuance of the Declaration had many long lasting consequences, and was a key moment in the lead-up to the Arab–Israeli conflict, often referred to as the world's "most intractable conflict"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Balfour wrote a memorandum from the 1919 Paris Peace Conference in which he noted that:
" ... the literal fulfilment of all our [the Allies] declarations is impossible, partly because they are incompatible with each other and partly because they are incompatible with facts ..."


Eighty-five years later, in a 2002 interview with New Statesman, British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw observed "A lot of the problems we are having to deal with now, I have to deal with now, are a consequence of our colonial past. ... The Balfour Declaration and the contradictory assurances which were being given to Palestinians in private at the same time as they were being given to the Israelis—again, an interesting history for us but not an entirely honourable one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%...icot_Agreement

Israeli ingenuity is responsible for some of the world’s most amazing medical advances and will most likely affect or save our lifes !

Why are people here so concerned about a few square miles or the Palis? What's the big deal ?
No one gives a rats ass about other refugees in this world! Syria is a perfect example.

Sorry, but I'am not going to throw pearls at swines !
And pleeeeease stop the hypcrosy.

New drug for treating prostate cancer approved in Mexico 4 January 2016

Israeli Scientists Find Stroke Drug Could Help Cure Cancer - News - Haaretz - Israel News Haaretz.com

Israeli breakthrough helps cancer patients' bodies heal themselves - Israel News, Ynetnews

Revolutionary Made-in-Israel Prostate Cancer Drug on Market in Mexico, Undergoing Advanced Trials in Europe | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com

and the list goes on and on.


Israel is the Diamond of the Middle East !

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