Thread: The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

But as we are now free to negotiate our own trade deals, we can get most of it elsewhere, cheaper.

Well ENT was right for once, we shall see.

Economics and all that isn't really my strong point to be honest, way too many numbers and math involved, but from a pure practical stand-point I just can't see how a trading bloc of circa. 450 million needs one of 60-odd million more than vice-versa.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

we are now free to negotiate our own trade deals

You say that like you think the UK now has the upper hand in negotiations with the EU

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

we can get most of it elsewhere, cheaper.

Really? That cheaper stuff... the UK already buys elsewhere, such is the basis of global free trade... it's the stuff that the UK can't buy elsewhere cheaper, like the 'net EU importer' imported stuff that's a problem, especially with the UK currency in the toilet.

It's all gone a bit quiet from the 'Leave' camp...

Surely there must be some good news to offset this calamity..?

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

We are a net importer from the EU.

They need us more than we need them.

That cuts both ways though. Those imports are likely to be more difficult/expensive now and the EU has more sway in negotiating than the UK does.

UK can now import NZ, Oz and Canadian agricultural products at competitive prices without EU restrictions, so there's going to be a reform in UK's agri-industry as a result of Brexit, especially in the subsidies paid out to generally cashed-up non-productive landowners.

We could end up with more innovative and diversified food production.
French wines will go up in price, but NZ, Oz and S.Africa produce some excellent wines.

Cost of holidays in Spain will rise as fewer people travel to Europe, unless the Spaniards start upping their service standards to attract more lager louts.

Just my opinion.

BAME folk will be worrying about new immigration restrictions and east Europeans will be worrying about their jobs in UK.

Wages may rise as immigrants leave, profits dropping for employers, who knows, they may even start paying a decent minimum wage.

I wonder if the price of Guinness will go up?

Fantastic, God bless the great British people for once again in history for standing up for themselves.
Yes yes yes, what a result, there has never been a greater moment in British history.
Thank you Teakdoor members for sharing the joy of My Family's vote to leave the E.U.
Joy to the world, hark the herald Angels sing, glory to the ENGLISH

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

we can get most of it elsewhere, cheaper.

Really? That cheaper stuff... the UK already buys elsewhere...

Cheaper NZ mutton, dairy products and fruit, EU tariff free?

Ha ha ha, 555
Wait for the inevitable crash of the €
Euro, and then the pound will soare to great heights

Originally Posted by ENT

Cheaper NZ mutton, dairy products and fruit, EU tariff free?

NZ has long since vested in other markets and tariffs notwithstanding transporting goods that far ain't cheap.

I should also add that NZ has no interest in making things that much cheaper for a non-EU UK either.

Originally Posted by wasabi

Ha ha ha, 555
Wait for the inevitable crash of the €
Euro, and then the pound will soare to great heights

PTSD.?

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

we can get most of it elsewhere, cheaper.

Really? That cheaper stuff... the UK already buys elsewhere...

Cheaper NZ mutton, dairy products and fruit, EU tariff free?

Market forces dictate the cost of imported goods, production, transportation etc...

Do you know anything about economics..?

Here's a test.. the £ just lost 10% of it's value.
The cost of imports into the UK are now:

a. 10% lower
b. 10% higher
c. I'm a cretin

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

But as we are now free to negotiate our own trade deals, we can get most of it elsewhere, cheaper.

Well ENT was right for once, we shall see.

Economics and all that isn't really my strong point to be honest, way too many numbers and math involved, but from a pure practical stand-point I just can't see how a trading bloc of circa. 450 million needs one of 60-odd million more than vice-versa.

Iceland 0.3 million, Norway 5.2 million Switzerland 8.5 million population.

NZ 4.5 million (all figures aprox)

They're all doing quite well without EU, thanks.

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Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

We are a net importer from the EU.

They need us more than we need them.

That cuts both ways though. Those imports are likely to be more difficult/expensive now and the EU has more sway in negotiating than the UK does.

UK can now import NZ, Oz and Canadian agricultural products at competitive prices without EU restrictions, so there's going to be a reform in UK's agri-industry as a result of Brexit, especially in the subsidies paid out to generally cashed-up non-productive landowners.

We could end up with more innovative and diversified food production.
French wines will go up in price, but NZ, Oz and S.Africa produce some excellent wines.

You're talking out your arse and showing just how detached you are from the reality of the discussion. The EU puts no restrictions on NZ and AUS products except those they consider potential disease hazards.

You're old enough to remember NAFTA right..?
You do understand we live in a global free trade economy?

Ooops... only now the UK doesn't so much any more

Good thing the uk didn't pay attention to these hysterics.

Seems 16 million people didn't look at the reality at all

An extremely interesting article by George Soros http://www.theguardian.com/business/...d-be-end-of-eu

Originally Posted by piwanoi

An extremely interesting article by George Soros http://www.theguardian.com/business/...d-be-end-of-eu

Clutching at straws to consider the breakup of the EU might be one positive that can be taken from this result. Anyway, a now outdated opinion. The reality is here today.
England is now fucked beyond hope.

Bit off the topic of leaving, but relevant, before the vote anyone pro leaving was a racist right wing bigot

Does this mean the UK has now shifted to a right, as the vote was not only about leaving, but against the 2 main parties..

The labor party, pro EU, immigration etc will never gain power, with those policy's the conservatives will move to the right, after some blood letting.

This is a fingers up to the system, not just the EU.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

The labor party, pro EU, immigration etc will never gain power, with those policy's the conservatives will move to the right,

Yes. My congratulations to the English working class on just shooting yourself in the head. This is an act of world-historic stupidity.

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by piwanoi

An extremely interesting article by George Soros http://www.theguardian.com/business/...d-be-end-of-eu

Clutching at straws to consider the breakup of the EU might be one positive that can be taken from this result. Anyway, a now outdated opinion. The reality is here today.
England is now fucked beyond hope.

Early days yet , I seem to remember Hitler saying the same thing

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Bit off the topic of leaving, but relevant, before the vote anyone pro leaving was a racist right wing bigot

Does this mean the UK has now shifted to a right, as the vote was not only about leaving, but against the 2 main parties..

The labor party, pro EU, immigration etc will never gain power, with those policy's the conservatives will move to the right, after some blood letting.

This is a fingers up to the system, not just the EU.

Half the voters just voted for Farage by proxy... which only shows how watered down the intelligence of the average voter has become by 30 years of emigration from the UK.

Farage = Critical thinking? It really doesn't equate.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Early days yet , I seem to remember Hitler saying the same thing

Fuck me, just how old are you??

Originally Posted by Neo

Seems 16 million people didn't look at the reality at all

That is the sad truth of the matter; I wish I could see the faces of those idiots who like to raid the French hypermarkets of cheap booze and cigarettes on their day trips to Calais when they are told they are limited to 1 litre of spirits and 200 cigarettes - same as anywhere else. Goodbye to cheap air fares and holidays in Europe and as we are no longer a member of the EU I suspect there will be visa restrictions or 90 max in EU countries. Forget about finding cheap wine in your local supermarket, the tax will go through the roof along with the cost of fruit and veg unless of course we still allow immigrant labour to do the poorly paid dirty and the odds are we will as English persons won't do it. One appalling thing that was mentioned to me by a friend that lives in the north-east is a recent survey found that most of the population of Sunderland were going to vote out of the EU because of the foreigners taking jobs, yet there are no foreigners in Sunderland other than students. Brexit voters maybe smiling now but in 3 or 4 years time they won't be.

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