The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

**Ronin** · 24-06-2016, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Warrior

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

We are a net importer from the EU.

They need us more than we need them.

The pound just lost 10% of its value - the 'Island off the coast of Europe' cant afford these imports anymore.

Harry lives in his own little world;

Leave vote a disaster for City and business - FT.com

**jamescollister** · 24-06-2016, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Neo

Half the voters just voted for Farage by proxy... which only shows how watered down the intelligence of the average voter has become by 30 years of emigration from the UK.

Farage = Critical thinking? It really doesn't equate.

I don't see it like that, it's no more a vote for Farage then any other person/group.
It's a vote against the main parties, been said, parties don't win elections, they lose them, both parties lost this one.

**ENT** · 24-06-2016, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by ENT

Cheaper NZ mutton, dairy products and fruit, EU tariff free?

NZ has long since vested in other markets and tariffs notwithstanding transporting goods that far ain't cheap.

I should also add that NZ has no interest in making things that much cheaper for a non-EU UK either.

How much is "much"?

If the trade's there, NZ will be there, guaranteed.
NZ sure did find other markets after UK entered the EU, and so has Oz, but our great friend China is a bitch to trade with, so a more diversified market is in NZ's favour.

Same with UK, has to renegotiate new agreements, take up to 10 years to fully get going, according to some.
The new agricultural policy that's going to come out of this Brexit vote will be an eye-opener.

**DrB0b** · 24-06-2016, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Early days yet , I seem to remember Hitler saying the same thing

Fuck me, just how old are you??

And how old was he when he left Germany?

**DrB0b** · 24-06-2016, 02:17 PM

Any of you Brit geriatrics checked your pension value in the last 30 minutes?

**Neo** · 24-06-2016, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Ronin

One appalling thing that was mentioned to me by a friend that lives in the north-east is a recent survey found that most of the population of Sunderland were going to vote out of the EU because of the foreigners taking jobs, yet there are no foreigners in Sunderland other than students. Brexit voters maybe smiling now but in 3 or 4 years time they won't be.

Nissan is one of the biggest manufacturers in the UK and exports the vast majority of its vehicles to the EU. It has consistently committed itself to the NE community and Sunderland in particular because of the highly motivated workforce there.

Nissan will now have to renegotiate its import standards into the EU, a straightforward procedure as no manufacturing processes will change at this point, though a costly and time consuming procedure, a large company like Nissan will have the resources to deal with the situation, however the renegotiation of standards to meet EU imports will have to be carried out by every single company in the UK that does or wishes to export to the EU... the implications for smaller business are dire.

And that's without figuring in the drop in currency value... Nissan have invested heavily in the North East, but global free trade has seen many huge multinationals upsticks and move to more lucrative markets for small percentage advantages to their operating costs.

**AntRobertson** · 24-06-2016, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by ENT

ow much is "much"?

If the trade's there, NZ will be there, guaranteed.
NZ sure did find other markets after UK entered the EU, and so has Oz, but our great friend China is a bitch to trade with, so a more diversified market is in NZ's favour.

Same with UK, has to renegotiate new agreements, take up to 10 years to fully get going, according to some.
The new agricultural policy that's going to come out of this Brexit vote will be an eye-opener.

Nobody is going to say no to new/additional markets but that wasn't my point.

The point is NZ (and others) have their own interests at heart first and foremost - naturally enough - so since they're already in other markets they aren't exactly going to bend over backwards to accommodate the UK.

Particularly so if the UK is out on their own seeking trade deals. They won't have the same power to negotiate (which was the entire initial point about who needs who more of the UK and EU).

**Neo** · 24-06-2016, 02:27 PM

One millionaire is happy at least..

**ENT** · 24-06-2016, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

We are a net importer from the EU.

They need us more than we need them.

That cuts both ways though. Those imports are likely to be more difficult/expensive now and the EU has more sway in negotiating than the UK does.

UK can now import NZ, Oz and Canadian agricultural products at competitive prices without EU restrictions, so there's going to be a reform in UK's agri-industry as a result of Brexit, especially in the subsidies paid out to generally cashed-up non-productive landowners.

We could end up with more innovative and diversified food production.
French wines will go up in price, but NZ, Oz and S.Africa produce some excellent wines.

The EU puts no restrictions on NZ and AUS products except those they consider potential disease hazards.

You're old enough to remember NAFTA right..?
You do understand we live in a global free trade economy?

The trade discussed was between NZ and EU, nothing to do with America.

The Leaders of EU and New Zealand, in their meeting on 29 October 2015, announced to start the process for negotiations to a comprehensive free trade agreement.

Joint statement by President Juncker, President Tusk and New Zealand Prime Minister Key
Trade leaders of New Zealand and the EU meet to discuss free trade agreement

Worth a read;
New Zealand - Trade - European Commission

I don't think they're in a hurry.

**Ronin** · 24-06-2016, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by taxexile

who will benefit from an exit.

nobody will benefit from an exit.

an exit will cause division, animosity, confusion, job losses and financial turmoil across the uk for years to come. it will have a negative effect on almost everybody.

For once I agree with you.

**can123** · 24-06-2016, 03:30 PM

[QUOTE="jamescollister"]I don't see it like that, it's no more a vote for Farage then any other person/group.
It's a vote against the main parties, been said, parties don't win elections, they lose them, both parties lost this one.[/QUOT

It was a vote to be free to rule ourselves and not have to do what the Germans and French tell us to do.

**Pragmatic** · 24-06-2016, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Any of you Brit geriatrics checked your pension value in the last 30 minutes?

Mine's index linked. Should I worry?

**Chittychangchang** · 24-06-2016, 03:57 PM

Now all we need is for England to win the Euros.

Got odds of 15-1 last night after the first few results, Ker-ching

Don't let the door hit you on your way out Cameron. He's off to Panama for a well needed rest with his project fear.

Nation results

England
Leave 53.4%
15,188,406 VOTES
Remain 46.6%
13,266,996 VOTES
Counting completeTurnout: 73.0%

Northern Ireland
Leave 44.2%
349,442 VOTES
Remain 55.8%
440,437 VOTES
Counting completeTurnout: 62.9%

Scotland
Leave 38.0%
1,018,322 VOTES
Remain 62.0%
1,661,191 VOTES
Counting completeTurnout: 67.2%

Wales
Leave 52.5%
854,572 VOTES
Remain 47.5%
772,347 VOTES

**Chittychangchang** · 24-06-2016, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Any of you Brit geriatrics checked your pension value in the last 30 minutes?

Project fear is over Bob, check them in 30 days and have a beer to celebrate.

**Little Chuchok** · 24-06-2016, 04:33 PM

I buy my business shirts from the UK.They have just dropped 10% value.

**piwanoi** · 24-06-2016, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Any of you Brit geriatrics checked your pension value in the last 30 minutes?

Mine's index linked. Should I worry?

I see Camoron is doing the Honourable thing and falling on his sword , I wonder what the odds are on the Labour party leader doing the same thing? CNN - Breaking News, U.S., World, Weather, Entertainment & Video News

**Bettyboo** · 24-06-2016, 04:50 PM

I've just watched an interview with Tony Blair, and he was making many of the same points as the upset 'stay' commentators over the last few pages...

**piwanoi** · 24-06-2016, 04:51 PM

Its in the Express so just dismiss it out of hand

Brexit spreads across Europe: Italy, France, Holland and Denmark ALL call for referendums | World | News | Daily Express

**Bower** · 24-06-2016, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Any of you Brit geriatrics checked your pension value in the last 30 minutes?

Project fear is over Bob, check them in 30 days and have a beer to celebrate.

I suspect many of the 16m that voted out do not have a pension to worry about.

**OhOh** · 24-06-2016, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Any of you Brit geriatrics checked your pension value in the last 30 minutes?

Only if it's UK£ based, only if you've left your hard earned lifetimes savings for a financial advisor

to manage. You know the guy who takes his % whether his advice pans out as planned or not.

If gold based the, capital value of it is up nearly 8% - from U$1,255 to US$ 1,322, in 12 hours!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by can123

It was a vote to be free to rule ourselves and not have to do what the Germans and French tell us to do.

Who do what their Ameristani masters tell them.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Mine's index linked.

Linked to what index, the crocodile tears index, the £/Ruble, the price of Chinese noodles.........? More likely the UK inflation rate, which of course can be manipulated to ensure the UK banks/insurance companies, who bankroll the UK government's corrupt politicians, pay you probably a minus increase in the future - all due to the "sudden" financial problems which nobody

could have foreseen or planned for.

**OhOh** · 24-06-2016, 06:23 PM

In UK£ gold has gone UP 15%.

Gold Soars Most In 42 Years For British Buyers | Zero Hedge

Gold Soars Most In 42 Years For British Buyers | Zero Hedge

The Europen stocks are down and bond yields up.

The French and Dutch political leaders want their own referenda.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...erendum-france
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...h-most-history

Maybe time to reconsider where your own nest eggs are and if it's time to fly away as swallows do as winter arrives.

Whoever is chosen to manage the exit should be meeting with Putin and Xi to discuss joining the EEU. It may be a good idea.

Or they can sit and ponder for 6 months or so, as the MSM TV pundits are suggesting and demand to know why nobody made any plans for what to do if this verdict on their incompetence went the way it did and decide on who they can blame. The BBC is looking all around the world, it claims, no news of their conversations with either the Chinese or Russian Ambassadors, who presumably are available in London if summoned. Lots of dire comments from Ameristani finacial advisors/gamblers but no news of condolences from the POTUSE.

I look forward to fingers being pointed at a certain Mr. Putin.

**piwanoi** · 24-06-2016, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Neo

Who cares..? England just voted itself into irrelevancy.

Really? not according to Angela Merkel

Angela Merkel urges EU leaders to maintain CLOSE relations with UK in wake of Brexit | World | News | Daily Express

**can123** · 24-06-2016, 07:14 PM

Merkel is shitting herself as it is now certain that Germany's control over Europe has been challenged and has been diminished. Other countries will wish to leave soon and to prevent this from happening the EU will have to reform. The "27" will accommodate the UK as they need us more than we need them.

**taxexile** · 24-06-2016, 07:19 PM

you are a deluded and loony old taffy.

**can123** · 24-06-2016, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by taxexile

you are a deluded and loony old taffy

It's lovely being a Taffy. I feel sorry for the rest of the poor buggers here.

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