Thread: The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

What matters is that we have as many judges as possible on the side of personal freedom.

Great post DrBob.

Originally Posted by longway

^ The usual - you are a bunch of nasty small minded blah blah blah drivel. Just the usual nonsense that is being passed as rebuttal, but actually has nothing but strawmen and red herrings, to parse the sneering tone.

...and your arguments are...?

Originally Posted by longway

I would disagree with you strongly about immigration. For example the current wave of immigration from eastern Europe was started by Blair, and it was a mistake as they completely underestimated the numbers coming in. If we were not part of the Eu, he simply would not have been in the position to make that decision. And now when we know that the assumptions used in making that decision were flawed nothing can be done about it.

So you want the UK to have its sovereignty back to make...even more rash decisions? They were given the same guidelines as every other country and simply ignored them...and you blame the EU? Hell, if it wasn't for the EU the UK would probably have gone down the drain years ago.

You can stick your fingers in your ears and call b.s. on everything that doesn't fit in with your liking but it makes you look like the spoilt kid who takes his football home because he can't play with the big boys....except it's not even your bloody football!

There is a crisis within the EU and things have got to change. I think everyone in the EU knows that, from the Brussels bureaucrat to the Parisian pimp to the Italian hitman, although possibly not the average English football hooligan. They also know that walking away from that crisis is not the answer.

Next year, the UK have the EU presidency and they should be concentrating on policies that will make the EU stronger and more united rather than dilly-dallying on the sidelines complaining like a bunch of teenage schoolgirls....

The EU needs to be dismantled and rebuilt from scratch.
The UK will lead the way forward for a reformed stronger Europe, but first the head needs severing.

What is about the remain crowd and their constant sneering and jeering? Who do they think they are?

Make your arguments, but get a grip on yourselves.

This article should make members who's opinions are to remain pause and read what this eminent economist says but most won't even bother ,cos your mind is made up and whatever evidence is brought forward if their thoughts differ from yours they will be completely ignored Former pro-EU economist switches allegiance to Leave camp | Politics | News | Daily Express

eminent!

Originally Posted by DrB0b

eminent!

Just so you understand , it means well known and respected https://www.google.co.th/?gws_rd=cr&...ion+of+eminent

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

The UK will lead the way forward for a reformed stronger Europe

Exit the EU and reform it from the outside. Great plan.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

This article should make members who's opinions are to remain pause and read what this eminent economist says but most won't even bother ,cos your mind is made up and whatever evidence is brought forward if their thoughts differ from yours they will be completely ignored Former pro-EU economist switches allegiance to Leave camp | Politics | News | Daily Express

Thanks, something concrete, rather than empty sneering and posturing.

This is what he says about the euro:

He describes the strains within the single currency area as “crippling” and points out that while the euro is undervalued in Germany by eight per cent it is overvalued in France by an enormous 13 per cent.

This means Germany has a massive cash surplus while France cannot pay its debts.

He said: “There is no doubt that the eurozone will break up and it will be better for Britain if it is not part of the EU when that happens because we will end up having to pay to support other members when it happens.”

They moved far too fast in creating the euro and were heedless of the consequences, and now they are stuck.

And the tariffs, I thought they would be 4% under WTO rules, but no, even lower: 3%.

“The dangers have been completely over exaggerated. For example the worst that could happen to manufacturing is a three per cent tariff, that’s not going to make companies like Nissan move [from the UK], it isn’t going to make a difference.”

He went on: “Also if we stay in there is no chance of reforming the EU. If we leave it will force the other countries to look again and make changes.”

Exit the EU and reform it from the outside. Great plan.

You missed out this part

The EU needs to be dismantled and rebuilt from scratch.

I am disappointed in you; I thought you were better than this.

Lets hope the voters don't get cold feet before they cast their vote The map that PROVES Britain is set for BREXIT in EU Referendum | Tech | Life & Style | Daily Express

French police have just confirmed that 19 Romanian football supporters arrested for a variety of offences including shoplifting and ATM skimming are to be deported back to England.

Originally Posted by longway

Originally Posted by piwanoi

This article should make members who's opinions are to remain pause and read what this eminent economist says but most won't even bother ,cos your mind is made up and whatever evidence is brought forward if their thoughts differ from yours they will be completely ignored Former pro-EU economist switches allegiance to Leave camp | Politics | News | Daily Express

Thanks, something concrete, rather than empty sneering and posturing.

This is what he says about the euro:

He describes the strains within the single currency area as “crippling” and points out that while the euro is undervalued in Germany by eight per cent it is overvalued in France by an enormous 13 per cent.

This means Germany has a massive cash surplus while France cannot pay its debts.

He said: “There is no doubt that the eurozone will break up and it will be better for Britain if it is not part of the EU when that happens because we will end up having to pay to support other members when it happens.”

They moved far too fast in creating the euro and were heedless of the consequences, and now they are stuck.

And the tariffs, I thought they would be 4% under WTO rules, but no, even lower: 3%.

“The dangers have been completely over exaggerated. For example the worst that could happen to manufacturing is a three per cent tariff, that’s not going to make companies like Nissan move [from the UK], it isn’t going to make a difference.”

He went on: “Also if we stay in there is no chance of reforming the EU. If we leave it will force the other countries to look again and make changes.”

Exit the EU and reform it from the outside. Great plan.

You missed out this part

The EU needs to be dismantled and rebuilt from scratch.

I am disappointed in you; I thought you were better than this.

Personally I think it boils down to fear of the unknown, which to be quite frank is natural, some times risks are involved to get yourself out of the shit ,this is the case with the EU, many want to get out but appear terrified by the scare tactics and threats so will spend another Christ knows how long wallowing in the crap that comes from Brussel's .

^ I think so too, and when the time comes to vote they will choose to stay, and we will be stuck. I hope people don't fall for the scare tactics.

They won't make the mistake on giving us a referendum on something that matters again.

The stay ins appear to be targeting the most vulnerable in British society, is there no depths to how low they can stoop Former Tory leaders and Chancellors accuse George Osborne of 'ludicrous scaremongering'

Great article from the Express WATCH: Question Time audience member's passionate Brexit speech | UK | News | Daily Express

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

The EU needs to be dismantled and rebuilt from scratch. The UK will lead the way forward for a reformed stronger Europe, but first the head needs severing.

Am I right or am I wrong in thinking the EU was/is a poor copy of the UK? If so, why didn't the EU join us instead of the other way around.

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By The beard of the prophet, the Swiss have changed boats in mid channel ,maybe they've heard about Turkey being the next member to join the EU madhouse . Now Switzerland WITHDRAWS its application to join the EU just a week before British vote | World | News | Daily Express

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

The UK will lead the way forward for a reformed stronger Europe

Exit the EU and reform it from the outside. Great plan.

That's actually correct as if Britain leaves the calls from citizens of other countries to follow Britain's lead are going to grow louder and louder to end this failed experiment. So the only way to prevent this will be to enact radical reforms.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

The UK will lead the way forward for a reformed stronger Europe

Exit the EU and reform it from the outside. Great plan.

That's actually correct as if Britain leaves the calls from citizens of other countries to follow Britain's lead are going to grow louder and louder to end this failed experiment. So the only way to prevent this will be to enact radical reforms.

You can have that huge Teddy bear on the top shelf for that comment Exclusive: Britain 'could liberate Europe again' by voting for Brexit and sparking populist revolution

Originally Posted by buriramboy

That's actually correct as if Britain leaves the calls from citizens of other countries to follow Britain's lead are going to grow louder and louder to end this failed experiment. So the only way to prevent this will be to enact radical reforms.

Ah I see. Britian exits, all the other countries raise a stink, EU reforms and all EU members are happy. Very good thing for EU members. Unfortunately Britian is not a member but granted a minor detail easily sorted in a few years with a referendum to get back in. Works for me.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by buriramboy

That's actually correct as if Britain leaves the calls from citizens of other countries to follow Britain's lead are going to grow louder and louder to end this failed experiment. So the only way to prevent this will be to enact radical reforms.

Ah I see. Britian exits, all the other countries raise a stink, EU reforms and all EU members are happy. Very good thing for EU members. Unfortunately Britian is not a member but granted a minor detail easily sorted in a few years with a referendum to get back in. Works for me.

Maybe if we brexit it will have a domino effect ,from what I read that may be the case