Thread: The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

Originally Posted by Troy

Thatcher backing the brexit campaign is a tad contentious. She realised the dilemma of dismantling the NHS, to cope with being in the EU, versus public opinion. Perhaps if people had more faith in her the UK would be more suited to being within the EU.

If the UK bexit campaign had the same strength of leadership, together with a set of goals to aim for, I may be pursuaded ... but I see a rudderless ship, going nowhere.

Unfortuntely we dont have the luxury of a variety of options. If the eu was solely about trade, then very few would be voting for brexit, but remaining in the eu means far more than that.

Sturgeon: Independence poll 'highly likely' if UK leaves EU - BBC News

There would "almost certainly" be a second independence referendum if the UK votes to leave the EU and Scotland does not, Nicola Sturgeon has said.

So how is she voting then ?
So will this mean millions of Scottish nationalists voting leave ?
NO those Scots are even more chickenshit scared than the English Sheeple, they just love talking about independence, they don't actually want it.

Ms Sturgeon said that she would be "campaigning very hard" for a Remain vote in Scotland

Brexit at 42%, Remain at 41% once 'don't knows' and 'wont vote' numbers are taken out of the calculations.

EU referendum poll: Support for Brexit edges ahead of Remain | The Week UK

Perhaps you would like to expand on that a little longway. What else does it entail that worries you so much? Freedom of movement for the job market? Combined resources and responsibilities to tackle problems, protection of workers and consumers?

I will be voting to leave the EEU because I do not like being ruled by French, Germans, etc. Those who like to be ruled by the French and the Germans should bugger off to France or Germany.

I would rather be dead than be ruled by the Turks.

No offence intended but I am British and Welsh and want to stay that way. Those who seek to stay in the EEU are cowards and I am obliged to say "bollocks" to them.

Originally Posted by Troy

Perhaps you would like to expand on that a little longway. What else does it entail that worries you so much? Freedom of movement for the job market? Combined resources and responsibilities to tackle problems, protection of workers and consumers?

I refer you to Post 307, and its no secret that the ultimate goal of the eu is a federal style superstate. Ultimately its about democracy; Westminster politics is remote enough, but a European parliament means we, as UK citizens, lose our power, and we have precious little as is.

The economic case for staying in is exaggerated hugely on top of that.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Can you read?

Anything in particular, or just your posts?

The fourteen British Overseas Territories (BOT) are territories under the jurisdiction and sovereignty of the United Kingdom.

No mention of BOT's being able to vote.

Originally Posted by can123

I will be voting to leave the EEU

Ah, a typical informed voter. Since when has Britain been part of the Eurasian Economic Union? This is going to be a big surprise for Belarus and Kazakhstan.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by can123

I will be voting to leave the EEU

Ah, a typical informed voter. Since when has Britain been part of the Eurasian Economic Union? This is going to be a big surprise for Belarus and Kazakhstan.

Can123 admits he made a mistake but Doctor Bob knew that and is just being an awkward twat. Please shut up for five minutes and stop ranting. It's no wonder I made a mistake because you make enough noise to give an aspirin a headache.

Originally Posted by can123

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by can123

I will be voting to leave the EEU

Ah, a typical informed voter. Since when has Britain been part of the Eurasian Economic Union? This is going to be a big surprise for Belarus and Kazakhstan.

Can123 admits he made a mistake but Doctor Bob knew that and is just being an awkward twat. Please shut up for five minutes and stop ranting. It's no wonder I made a mistake because you make enough noise to give an aspirin a headache.

Heh, typical whinging pom, it's always somebody else's fault, isn't it?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

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Are you an Aborogine ? Do you go walkabout ?

Wait till the Union or whatever it's called these days affects you Dr Bob

For example it wont be so funny when they ban street horse riding, and you and your mates have to go to the Paki shop by foot.

Originally Posted by Troy

You need to think a little more rationally and a little less emotionally if you are to understand the reasons for staying in the EU. Just like buying a house is all about location, location, and location....staying in the EU is all about trade, trade, and trade.

if its all about trade why did they change its name from the Common Market ?
only thing the EU leaders want to trade is poor people
that's why they keep expanding it
next up another 88 million ... How long before Britain loses its own border ? that's part of the EU plan

Albania is on course to join the European Union — alongside four other countries, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Turkey. The already unwieldy group of 28 is due to become a throng of 33.

Frank Field

The Labour MP Frank Field spelled out the problem with great clarity in a speech on Tuesday, when he said: ‘Our open-door policy, which began under Tony Blair, has pushed down wages at the bottom of the labour market.
‘It has increased the queues for health services and even more so for homes. And it prevents ever more parents from gaining a school of their choice for their children.’
Frank has devoted his life to the Labour movement. As a welfare minister, and now as Chair of the Commons Work and Pensions Committee, his first concern has been helping the poorest in our society.
I know that he is a committed Christian who gives freely of his own time and money to help individuals in distress. He is in politics for all the right reasons.

EU expansion will open our borders to 88m from Europe?s poorest countries, Gove warns | Daily Mail Online

When Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Turkey join the EU, another 88 million people will soon be eligible for NHS care and school places for their children. And what will even more immigration from the EU mean for access to housing across the UK? How many more homes will we need?

Originally Posted by can123

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Are you an Aborogine ? Do you go walkabout ?

An Aborogine? Is that a native of the EEU?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

An Aborogine? Is that a native of the EEU?

It's an original aborigine who lives in a tree My little mini computer is dying on me. The battery is dead, I have to bang really hard to type the letter "e".

Originally Posted by OhOh

Democracy is legislation, with, the will of the people. Not legislation by an unelected body, accepted freely or with reservations by "here today gone tomorrow" politicians and imposed on the unwilling citizens.

Don't agree - sorry mate. Democracy is legislation thought up and enacted by a group of people supposedly representing the views of the largest minority of voters. We really need to drop the concept of DEMOCRACY because it never works.

The question over the EU is very simple. Are the individuals who signed the UK into the EU, at all and various stages, guilty of treason or high treason? The answer is categorically yes. I have said this before, and no doubt will say this again. The UK is a constitutional monarchy. We are not a democracy. We have a constitution and a bill of rights, and the monarch is appointed to the position as Crown to ensure that no laws or statutes are enacted that contravene or impede upon the inalienable rights vested to the people of the UK by the constitution and bill of rights.

In signing up to the EU, at all stages, not least because even as far back as Winston Churchill days in No 10 in the early 1950's he knew that the plan was to create a united states of Europe, emulating the USA model, which by the way he was passionately in favour of (laughable when you see the BRexit Campaigners using his image in their material). From the very off, all politicians and governments knew this was about signing away independence, and allowing laws into effect in the nation that might or might not impact the constitution and bill of rights. The EU Bill of Human Rights is a very good case in point. As Brits, we do not need this. We also do not need any imaged bill of rights that the camerons or what have yo think they would like to give us. We have inalienable rights - not rights GIVEN to us at the whim of politicians whether in westminster of brussels. What they give, they can take away. The point is it is not theirs to give in the first place, so they can not take it. As a reminder, any trial that has gone so far that the magna carta or the bill of rights have been tested, those two ALWAYS prevail.

The queen has accepted mediatisation, is in abuse of office, and a new monarch needs to be appointed and told again what their JOB is. Any politician who has negotiated, agreed to or signed any treaty with the EU is basically a traitor, and could be charged with treason. If you take it to a logical extent, the UK is not actually in the EU at all because none of the people who signed the various treaties actually have the authority to do so.

Chris Story's idea is the simplest though. Ask for the completed audited account from them - all of them. As they can not provide these, that makes them a criminal organisation under EU law. Then, as EU Laws says you are not allowed to send funds to criminal or unlawful more aptly, organisations, stop paying them. Then under EU law you can get back all the money they have received under false pretenses. All using EU law against the EU.

The other route you can use is documenting the above information, putting it into a letter to any MP who thinks they are in favour of the EU remain campaign, and asking that once they know the above, can they explain to you why they should not be held for abuse of office if they engage with a criminal organisation and in treasonous activity. Even supporting the Remain campaign is aiding and abetting individuals in the course of a crime.

So there it is. This can also be used for fighting TTIP - as all aspects of that is highly treasonous. Its about bloody time we help this corrupt party politicing whip responding grubby career politicians to account, sling them on abuse of office charges and put the fuckers in prison.

Originally Posted by blue

if its all about trade why did they change its name from the Common Market ?

See above - it was never about trade, it was the old standard frog in a boiling pot routine. Slowly slowly, little by little, but the end result was planned a long time ago. Having been away from Europe for 8 years, then returning, it is stunning the changes and the grasp the EU has on the UK and other countries now. Staggering. People who have lived here though do not see the changes due to the incremental way that they have been introduced.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

The question over the EU is very simple. Are the individuals who signed the UK into the EU, at all and various stages, guilty of treason or high treason? The answer is categorically yes

Would that include the 17 million British voters who voted "yes" in the 1975 referendum?

Amazing how the parties have changed since 75,
I guess the Jew hating , racist Labour party just want to stay connected to the Muslim masses in Europe,

In 1975, Labour MPs thought the EEC was a bosses’ union, a capitalist conspiracy, while the Tories were overwhelmingly in favour of a common market. 41 years on and the parliamentary parties have almost entirely swapped positions…

How the Parties Have Changed Since 1975 | Euro Guido




I guess the 1975 voters met well; but till gave us 1,000,000 chavs from East Europe- poofs who cannot even handle alcohol, always seeing ambulances ferrying them to hospital.

my thoughts on the EU

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Don't agree - sorry mate

No problem, yours is a much better proposition.

Airstrip One is important in the war against Eurasia. Double chocolate for you today.





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Originally Posted by hazz

leave or stay we will have the same problems, because the root cause is our own civil servants and the politicians that control them.

Agree in part. The upper echelons of the civil service is where the real graft and corruption is hidden. There should be a mandatory list of "declared interests" for all civil servants.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Would that include the 17 million British voters who voted "yes" in the 1975 referendum?

No - because people were voting on what they thought was a "trade deal" when in reality, the people posing the question knew is was about creating a United States of Europe. The 17m Yes voters can not be held responsible any more than any husband can be held responsible for, on being asked by his wife "which colour dress should I wear, Blue or Red", and responding to that with a selection to meet her wrath because what she was really asking was "Are you fucking that girl from accounts?".