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The reason i had my doubts was that i remember her being skeptical about the eu and about that i was right.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
And secondly drknob go fuck yourself.
And thirdly you pretentious bell end, its irrelevant to the consideration of whether we should stay or go.
Unfortuntely we dont have the luxury of a variety of options. If the eu was solely about trade, then very few would be voting for brexit, but remaining in the eu means far more than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy
Sturgeon: Independence poll 'highly likely' if UK leaves EU - BBC News
So how is she voting then ?Quote:
There would "almost certainly" be a second independence referendum if the UK votes to leave the EU and Scotland does not, Nicola Sturgeon has said.
So will this mean millions of Scottish nationalists voting leave ?
NO those Scots are even more chickenshit scared than the English Sheeple, they just love talking about independence, they don't actually want it.
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Ms Sturgeon said that she would be "campaigning very hard" for a Remain vote in Scotland
Brexit at 42%, Remain at 41% once 'don't knows' and 'wont vote' numbers are taken out of the calculations.
EU referendum poll: Support for Brexit edges ahead of Remain | The Week UK
Perhaps you would like to expand on that a little longway. What else does it entail that worries you so much? Freedom of movement for the job market? Combined resources and responsibilities to tackle problems, protection of workers and consumers?
I will be voting to leave the EEU because I do not like being ruled by French, Germans, etc. Those who like to be ruled by the French and the Germans should bugger off to France or Germany.
I would rather be dead than be ruled by the Turks.
No offence intended but I am British and Welsh and want to stay that way. Those who seek to stay in the EEU are cowards and I am obliged to say "bollocks" to them.
I refer you to Post 307, and its no secret that the ultimate goal of the eu is a federal style superstate. Ultimately its about democracy; Westminster politics is remote enough, but a European parliament means we, as UK citizens, lose our power, and we have precious little as is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy
The economic case for staying in is exaggerated hugely on top of that.
Anything in particular, or just your posts?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
The fourteen British Overseas Territories (BOT) are territories under the jurisdiction and sovereignty of the United Kingdom.
No mention of BOT's being able to vote.
Are you suggesting that a locally elected government is less available for criticism or more flexible than the EU? I suspect many things are labelled as "imposed" by the EU. If that responsibility was held by the locally elected MPs, that excuse no longer exists and hence, some legislation may not be possible to pass into law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy
Democracy is legislation, with, the will of the people. Not legislation by an unelected body, accepted freely or with reservations by "here today gone tomorrow" politicians and imposed on the unwilling citizens.
Ah, a typical informed voter. Since when has Britain been part of the Eurasian Economic Union? This is going to be a big surprise for Belarus and Kazakhstan.Quote:
Originally Posted by can123
Can123 admits he made a mistake but Doctor Bob knew that and is just being an awkward twat. Please shut up for five minutes and stop ranting. It's no wonder I made a mistake because you make enough noise to give an aspirin a headache.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Heh, typical whinging pom, it's always somebody else's fault, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by can123Can123 admits he made a mistake but Doctor Bob knew that and is just being an awkward twat. Please shut up for five minutes and stop ranting. It's no wonder I made a mistake because you make enough noise to give an aspirin a headache.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Are you an Aborogine ? Do you go walkabout ?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Wait till the Union or whatever it's called these days affects you Dr Bob
For example it wont be so funny when they ban street horse riding, and you and your mates have to go to the Paki shop by foot.
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if its all about trade why did they change its name from the Common Market ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy
only thing the EU leaders want to trade is poor people
that's why they keep expanding it
next up another 88 million ... How long before Britain loses its own border ? that's part of the EU plan
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Albania is on course to join the European Union — alongside four other countries, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Turkey. The already unwieldy group of 28 is due to become a throng of 33.
Frank Field
EU expansion will open our borders to 88m from Europe?s poorest countries, Gove warns | Daily Mail OnlineQuote:
The Labour MP Frank Field spelled out the problem with great clarity in a speech on Tuesday, when he said: ‘Our open-door policy, which began under Tony Blair, has pushed down wages at the bottom of the labour market.
‘It has increased the queues for health services and even more so for homes. And it prevents ever more parents from gaining a school of their choice for their children.’
Frank has devoted his life to the Labour movement. As a welfare minister, and now as Chair of the Commons Work and Pensions Committee, his first concern has been helping the poorest in our society.
I know that he is a committed Christian who gives freely of his own time and money to help individuals in distress. He is in politics for all the right reasons.
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When Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Turkey join the EU, another 88 million people will soon be eligible for NHS care and school places for their children. And what will even more immigration from the EU mean for access to housing across the UK? How many more homes will we need?
An Aborogine? Is that a native of the EEU?Quote:
Originally Posted by can123
It's an original aborigine who lives in a tree :) My little mini computer is dying on me. The battery is dead, I have to bang really hard to type the letter "e".Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Don't agree - sorry mate. Democracy is legislation thought up and enacted by a group of people supposedly representing the views of the largest minority of voters. We really need to drop the concept of DEMOCRACY because it never works.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
The question over the EU is very simple. Are the individuals who signed the UK into the EU, at all and various stages, guilty of treason or high treason? The answer is categorically yes. I have said this before, and no doubt will say this again. The UK is a constitutional monarchy. We are not a democracy. We have a constitution and a bill of rights, and the monarch is appointed to the position as Crown to ensure that no laws or statutes are enacted that contravene or impede upon the inalienable rights vested to the people of the UK by the constitution and bill of rights.
In signing up to the EU, at all stages, not least because even as far back as Winston Churchill days in No 10 in the early 1950's he knew that the plan was to create a united states of Europe, emulating the USA model, which by the way he was passionately in favour of (laughable when you see the BRexit Campaigners using his image in their material). From the very off, all politicians and governments knew this was about signing away independence, and allowing laws into effect in the nation that might or might not impact the constitution and bill of rights. The EU Bill of Human Rights is a very good case in point. As Brits, we do not need this. We also do not need any imaged bill of rights that the camerons or what have yo think they would like to give us. We have inalienable rights - not rights GIVEN to us at the whim of politicians whether in westminster of brussels. What they give, they can take away. The point is it is not theirs to give in the first place, so they can not take it. As a reminder, any trial that has gone so far that the magna carta or the bill of rights have been tested, those two ALWAYS prevail.
The queen has accepted mediatisation, is in abuse of office, and a new monarch needs to be appointed and told again what their JOB is. Any politician who has negotiated, agreed to or signed any treaty with the EU is basically a traitor, and could be charged with treason. If you take it to a logical extent, the UK is not actually in the EU at all because none of the people who signed the various treaties actually have the authority to do so.
Chris Story's idea is the simplest though. Ask for the completed audited account from them - all of them. As they can not provide these, that makes them a criminal organisation under EU law. Then, as EU Laws says you are not allowed to send funds to criminal or unlawful more aptly, organisations, stop paying them. Then under EU law you can get back all the money they have received under false pretenses. All using EU law against the EU.
The other route you can use is documenting the above information, putting it into a letter to any MP who thinks they are in favour of the EU remain campaign, and asking that once they know the above, can they explain to you why they should not be held for abuse of office if they engage with a criminal organisation and in treasonous activity. Even supporting the Remain campaign is aiding and abetting individuals in the course of a crime.
So there it is. This can also be used for fighting TTIP - as all aspects of that is highly treasonous. Its about bloody time we help this corrupt party politicing whip responding grubby career politicians to account, sling them on abuse of office charges and put the fuckers in prison.
See above - it was never about trade, it was the old standard frog in a boiling pot routine. Slowly slowly, little by little, but the end result was planned a long time ago. Having been away from Europe for 8 years, then returning, it is stunning the changes and the grasp the EU has on the UK and other countries now. Staggering. People who have lived here though do not see the changes due to the incremental way that they have been introduced.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
Whole vote seems pointless.
The vast majority of our issues with the EU come down to the refusal of our civil servants and ministers to use the wriggle room all these laws deliberately have to allow countries to customise (read undermine) the laws for local political expediency.
wether we stay in or leave we will still have this civil service and ministerial culture. as with thailand at a government and business level on exit we would have to comply with quite a lot of EU trade regulations if we wish to trade with the EU and we would have the same civil service culture implementing this.
leave or stay we will have the same problems, because the root cause is our own civil servants and the politicians that control them.
Would that include the 17 million British voters who voted "yes" in the 1975 referendum?Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
Amazing how the parties have changed since 75,
I guess the Jew hating , racist Labour party just want to stay connected to the Muslim masses in Europe,
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How the Parties Have Changed Since 1975 | Euro GuidoQuote:
In 1975, Labour MPs thought the EEC was a bosses’ union, a capitalist conspiracy, while the Tories were overwhelmingly in favour of a common market. 41 years on and the parliamentary parties have almost entirely swapped positions…
I guess the 1975 voters met well; but till gave us 1,000,000 chavs from East Europe- poofs who cannot even handle alcohol, always seeing ambulances ferrying them to hospital.
my thoughts on the EU
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No problem, yours is a much better proposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
Airstrip One is important in the war against Eurasia. Double chocolate for you today.
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A paid for add from your friendly:
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Agree in part. The upper echelons of the civil service is where the real graft and corruption is hidden. There should be a mandatory list of "declared interests" for all civil servants.Quote:
Originally Posted by hazz
No - because people were voting on what they thought was a "trade deal" when in reality, the people posing the question knew is was about creating a United States of Europe. The 17m Yes voters can not be held responsible any more than any husband can be held responsible for, on being asked by his wife "which colour dress should I wear, Blue or Red", and responding to that with a selection to meet her wrath because what she was really asking was "Are you fucking that girl from accounts?".Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b