What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

**Neverna** · 30-03-2016, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

There's an awful lot of people who aren't very bright here.

Yeah, but that old 1970 census chestnut rears its ugly head again, Harry.

**harrybarracuda** · 30-03-2016, 05:45 PM

By all means post one that shows the brimming desert metropoles.

This might help:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/...882af620?hl=en

**Neverna** · 30-03-2016, 06:06 PM

The town of as-sukhna is next in line to be liberated from IS. It's on the road to dair az-zour. Perhaps Harry can count the dwellings in the town and estimate the number of inhabitants.

**DrB0b** · 30-03-2016, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

By all means post one that shows the brimming desert metropoles.

This might help:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/...882af620?hl=en

I spent several years in that part of the world, plenty going on. How much time have you spent there, Harry? You also seem to have missed the bit about the gas fields. Gas fields, Harry, they're quite important you know. Also the mineral mines, lots of money there too. And the ISIS oil smuggling routes from Iraq, they're quite an important part of ISIS funding. Can you guess where those routes cross, Harry?

BTW, quite a busy bus service in and out of Tadmor, I used it regularly to get to Damascus and back and even took the occasional bus ride to Deir al Zoor.

**OhOh** · 31-03-2016, 11:45 AM

Harry is also not giving the camels their status in Arabic society. We all know one camel is worth a 12 wives and 50 children (It's probably in the Koran or Bible somewhere). That is just plain breeding stock. Racing camels, similarly valued as race horses, and sought by similar people are, probably ,worth more than a cities population. Ask Churchill and the inhabitants of Dresden, Albright, Hiroshima residents, gulag residents........

Each camel needs, probably, 10sq Km. to survive. All the yellow areas, in sq Km, divided by 10 multiplied 12 for number of wives, plus x 10 for each wife dropping 10 kids, adds up to a fair number harry.

As your 1970's census map shows, counting people is not a high priority. However, if you ask an Arab how many horses, camels, hawks or salukis he owns, they know the number of each, to single digits.

What gift did the LORD give a visiting Arab Prince lately, a new wife, NO.

He gave him a new HAWK.

**DrB0b** · 31-03-2016, 12:41 PM

Also, the Bedu in that part of the world raise sheep, not camels.

**OhOh** · 31-03-2016, 01:01 PM

Ah, pre-conceptions are difficult to forget sometimes. Not goats then?

**harrybarracuda** · 31-03-2016, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

By all means post one that shows the brimming desert metropoles.

This might help:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/...882af620?hl=en

I spent several years in that part of the world, plenty going on. How much time have you spent there, Harry? You also seem to have missed the bit about the gas fields. Gas fields, Harry, they're quite important you know. Also the mineral mines, lots of money there too. And the ISIS oil smuggling routes from Iraq, they're quite an important part of ISIS funding. Can you guess where those routes cross, Harry?

BTW, quite a busy bus service in and out of Tadmor, I used it regularly to get to Damascus and back and even took the occasional bus ride to Deir al Zoor.

So bomb the infrastructure.

IS may be many things but they aren't fucking project engineers, are they?

FFS what an excuse.

P.S. Great to hear the buses can run again, that will solve the problem in no time.

**OhOh** · 31-03-2016, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

So bomb the infrastructure.

That would certainly help somebody.

**harrybarracuda** · 31-03-2016, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

So bomb the infrastructure.

That would certainly help somebody.

Yeah, the ones trying to cut off IS funding you fool.

**DrB0b** · 31-03-2016, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

By all means post one that shows the brimming desert metropoles.

This might help:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/...882af620?hl=en

I spent several years in that part of the world, plenty going on. How much time have you spent there, Harry? You also seem to have missed the bit about the gas fields. Gas fields, Harry, they're quite important you know. Also the mineral mines, lots of money there too. And the ISIS oil smuggling routes from Iraq, they're quite an important part of ISIS funding. Can you guess where those routes cross, Harry?

BTW, quite a busy bus service in and out of Tadmor, I used it regularly to get to Damascus and back and even took the occasional bus ride to Deir al Zoor.

So bomb the infrastructure.

IS may be many things but they aren't fucking project engineers, are they?

FFS what an excuse.

P.S. Great to hear the buses can run again, that will solve the problem in no time.

Excuse for what? Reconquest and taking back the infrastructure? Which is what has been done. I thought that defeating IS and taking back territory and infrastructure was the point. Are you saying IS shouldn't be defeated. At this point do you actually know what you ARE saying, you appear to be very confused.

**harrybarracuda** · 31-03-2016, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

By all means post one that shows the brimming desert metropoles.

This might help:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/...882af620?hl=en

I spent several years in that part of the world, plenty going on. How much time have you spent there, Harry? You also seem to have missed the bit about the gas fields. Gas fields, Harry, they're quite important you know. Also the mineral mines, lots of money there too. And the ISIS oil smuggling routes from Iraq, they're quite an important part of ISIS funding. Can you guess where those routes cross, Harry?

BTW, quite a busy bus service in and out of Tadmor, I used it regularly to get to Damascus and back and even took the occasional bus ride to Deir al Zoor.

So bomb the infrastructure.

IS may be many things but they aren't fucking project engineers, are they?

FFS what an excuse.

P.S. Great to hear the buses can run again, that will solve the problem in no time.

Excuse for what? Reconquest and taking back the infrastructure? Which is what has been done. I thought that defeating IS and taking back territory and infrastructure was the point. Are you saying IS shouldn't be defeated. At this point do you actually know what you ARE saying, you appear to be very confused.

Taking back the empty quarter isn't important; Guaranteed they'll get suicide bombed to shit as long as they try and hold it.

Palmyra's just something to boast about, in the big picture it's meaningless.

If they can get Putin to bomb Islamic State instead of the rebels, they might actually fucking get somewhere.

If they want to win they need a full on offensive against Raqqa and the area next to the Turkish border north east of Aleppo.

Taking back Palmyra is the sort of "victory" of which George Orwell wrote in 1984.

**harrybarracuda** · 31-03-2016, 07:48 PM

OhOh will be getting the KY and Kleenex out when he reads this.

In Syria, militias armed by the Pentagon fight those armed by the CIA - LA Times

**Neverna** · 31-03-2016, 08:43 PM

In mid-February, a CIA-armed militia called Fursan al Haq, or Knights of Righteousness, was run out of the town of Marea, about 20 miles north of Aleppo, by Pentagon-backed Syrian Democratic Forces moving in from Kurdish-controlled areas to the east.

... highlighting how little control U.S. intelligence officers and military planners have over the groups they have financed and trained in the bitter five-year-old civil war.

The CIA, meanwhile, has its own operations center inside Turkey from which it has been directing aid to rebel groups in Syria, providing them with TOW antitank missiles from Saudi Arabian weapons stockpiles.

While the Pentagon's actions are part of an overt effort by the U.S. and its allies against Islamic State, the CIA's backing of militias is part of a separate covert U.S. effort aimed at keeping pressure on the Assad government in hopes of prodding the Syrian leader to the negotiating table.

On Feb. 18, the Syrian Democratic Forces attacked the town [of Marea]. A fighter with the Suqour Al-Jabal brigade, a group with links to the CIA, said intelligence officers of the U.S.-led coalition fighting Islamic State know their group has clashed with the Pentagon-trained militias.

“The MOM knows we fight them,” he said, referring to the joint operations center in southern Turkey, using an abbreviation for its name in Turkish, Musterek Operasyon Merkezi. “We'll fight all who aim to divide Syria or harm its people.” The fighter spoke on condition of anonymity.

**DrB0b** · 31-03-2016, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Taking back the empty quarter isn't important;

Umm, the empty quarter is in Arabia and is also chokka with oil and gas.

**OhOh** · 01-04-2016, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Palmyra's just something to boast about, in the big picture it's meaningless. If they can get Putin to bomb Islamic State instead of the rebels, they might actually fucking get somewhere. If they want to win they need a full on offensive against Raqqa and the area next to the Turkish border north east of Aleppo. Taking back Palmyra is the sort of "victory" of which George Orwell wrote in 1984.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

OhOh will be getting the KY and Kleenex out when he reads this.

I would suspect anyone who was forced to leave would be interested about whether or not to return. It has also shown how the P4+1 coalition can perform, as military force, against a defended urban target. Along with demonstrating, so far the, ability of the coalition to hold and make safe for civilians, the liberated urban areas thereafter. Finally the military decision to return some forces and leave necessary forces, by Russia, has been shown to be correct. The crusader coalition SOP of loading every conceivable piece of kit and soldier into planes or ships is for the TV watching sheeple, for the bankers and backhanded politicians, not to achieve victory. Probably some P4+1 forces could also be moved from the "calmer" areas, due to the political thread developing, to ensure victory in another area.

I was under the impression, probably in error, that the xxxx terrorists were actually in control of the city, along with the surrounding strategic heights, airport, water supplies and infrastructure. As they have, probably, gone off either to the promised virgins or to the East the P4+1 coalition have in fact been bombing, shooting and generally fighting the terrorists. The terrorist, by the way, include those some label ISIS.

Not being a military strategist my comment here is that, the P4+1 coalition, probably, have a plan and are working to it. I suspect that randomly achieve victories, without adequate support and logistic routes and adequately defensible perimeters would, probably, lead to only short term reversals for the P4+1 coalition. There may also be some contacts/negotiations required with the crusader coalition to ensure no alleged "Blue on Blue" catastrophes.

What Orwell wrote about in his book was a fascist government inventing victories and aggressors, something the crusader coalition have been doing for years. They have invented many different groups, over the decades, to ensure the sheeple are sufficiently frightened, to accept illegal methods, to achieve the governments/bankers aims.

The P4+1 coalition are following, probably, a defined plan which just so happens is illustration how poorly the crusader coalition either is, capable of achieving military objectives or has no intention of achieving them. Recall how Ameristani military leaders were suggesting "another decade" of war, to achieve "victory". This defined achievement and victory has been documented by many sources harry, take a look. Of the two coalitions the ability to define and delivers measurable RESULTS have been verified by many sources, again harry look at the evidence. The military and political actions they have undertaken are precisely as defined by the UNSC resolution. They are legal, as they have the Syrian Governments permission, they are affective, they are proportional to the required tasks. Read the resolution harry and let me know how the P4+1 coalition is failing any of the requests or overstepping the resolution.

The other coalition is "All hats and no cattle" and acting a rustlers, i.e. illegally.

Your post #1913 is not news harry, it is yet another proven fact of the crusader coalitions illegal actions, they happen every day, somewhere, around the world..

What may be news to you is Ameristan is, probably, continuing to arm terrorists in Syria from Turkey.

M of A - How The U.S. Continues To Arm al-Qaeda

That the UK foreign minister has accused Russia, not the members of the p4+1 coalition in totality, of action outside the "norms of international law. How he, as a member of the crusader coalition, can utter these words is hilarious.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/337916-uk...tement-russia/

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/337867-ph...russia-threat/

Snippets from the crusader coalitions track record.

"To get through all the examples of Washington’s blatant disregard for international law would take an eternity. But let’s do a quick recap of some of the more egregious examples:

US invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, illegal under international law: Civilian death toll up for debate, a Guardian report estimated that as many as 20,000 could have been killed in the first year of conflict alone.
US invasion of Iraq in 2003, illegal under international law: Left one million dead, according to various reports.
NATO intervention in Libya in 2011 violated the parameters of the UN resolution permitting NATO action, hence also illegal. The intervention left scores of civilians dead and hundreds of thousands displaced. Libya, once the richest country in Africa, is now a failed state.
US bombing of Syria in 2014, illegal under international law. Washington has been given no authority to carry out airstrikes in Syria. Nor, by the way, has the United Kingdom (maybe someone should tell Hammond?)
Ongoing use of drone strikes, killing hundreds of innocents, including children.
Continued use of Guantanamo Bay for indefinite detention and torture of people ‘perceived’ as threats. In one of the grossest injustices, Shaker Aamer was held at Guantanamo for 13 years without trial or charge before finally being reunited with his family in the UK.

None of this is up for debate — and yet Hammond has not, to my knowledge, classified the United States as a threat to “all of us”. If breaking international law is the benchmark here, it would follow that he probably should."

Another piece of, "probably", news.

https://www.rt.com/news/337877-assad...-troops-syria/

"Turkey’s direct support for terrorists fighting in Syria makes them President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s own army, Syrian President Bashar Assad said in an exclusive interview with Sputnik, adding that his country is ready to counter the aggression. Turkey, as well as Saudi Arabia, have "crossed all possible red lines, possibly from the first weeks of the Syrian war," Assad said.
"Today, the war against Erdogan and against Saudi Arabia is a war against terrsorits. The Turkish army, which is not even Turkish, is Erdogan's army that is fighting today in Syria," he added.

Everything that Ankara and Riyadh “have done from the very beginning can be considered aggression. Aggression in a political sense or in a military sense – providing terrorists with arms – or direct aggression with the use of artillery, and other military violations," he stressed."

One of course could say the same thing about other crusade coalition members and be able to quote, not only "probabilities", but facts.

**harrybarracuda** · 01-04-2016, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Taking back the empty quarter isn't important;

Umm, the empty quarter is in Arabia and is also chokka with oil and gas.

Oh purlease.

The empty quarter of Syria then you pedantic knobhead.

**Dapper** · 03-04-2016, 05:36 AM

The US destroyed Syria, and now the EU has to deal with this shit.

**ENT** · 03-04-2016, 12:36 PM

Agreed.

**harrybarracuda** · 03-04-2016, 01:12 PM

Bashar Assad destroyed Syria, and Putin was the c u n t who helped him do it.

**ENT** · 03-04-2016, 01:26 PM

With a little help from USA.

**harrybarracuda** · 03-04-2016, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by ENT

With a little help from USA.

Nonsense. If Assad had simply stepped down and allowed free and fair elections, it would have a been a smooth transition to a new, more inclusive government.

**rickschoppers** · 03-04-2016, 02:00 PM

To me, this is the only solution to defeat ISIS. Let other terrorist groups fight them and this fight will continue forever as long as there are two muslims on this planet. They just don't get along and want to fight each other.

News World news ISIS

Dozens of ISIS and al-Qaeda jihadis killed as terror groups fight each other in Syria
16:39, 2 APR 2016 UPDATED 17:07, 2 APR 2016
BY RICHARD WHEATSTONE

The terror groups are involved in a battle to establish dominance in the region and al-Qaeda 'declared war' in ISIS last September

REUTERS/Khalil AshawiMembers of al Qaeda's Nusra Front drive in a convoy as they tour villagesMembers of al Qaeda's Nusra Front drive in convoy as they tour villages
Dozens of jihadis have been killed in a clash between Islamic State and al-Qaeda in Syria.

The terror groups are involved in a battle to establish dominance in the region and al-Qaeda 'declared war' in ISIS last September.

Al-Qaeda's Syrian affiliate Nusra Front launched an attack on ISIS positions in the Qalamoun........

Dozens of ISIS and al-Qaeda jihadis killed as terror groups fight each other in Syria - Mirror Online

**harrybarracuda** · 03-04-2016, 04:51 PM

I'd totally agree apart from

- it means loads more refugees.
- it means loads more civilian casualties
- it would undoubtedly spill over into other countries big time.

**pickel** · 03-04-2016, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If Assad had simply stepped down and allowed free and fair elections, it would have a been a smooth transition to a new, more inclusive government.

What makes you think they would have elected an "inclusive" government?

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