What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

**harrybarracuda** · 18-03-2016, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by Neverna

not inviting the Kurds to the talks was just to placate the Turks

Why try an placate the Turks, for what reason?

Even a dick like you knows the answer to that, so why ask such a dumb fucking question?

**OhOh** · 18-03-2016, 02:05 PM

The authority to use any of it is held where? Or are the 50, or some what less now, aircraft so formidable that the crusader coalition is now impotent?

**harrybarracuda** · 18-03-2016, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

The authority to use any of it is held where? Or are the 50, or some what less now, aircraft so formidable that the crusader coalition is now impotent?

Fucking hell is it international non sequitur day or something?

No-one told me.

**OhOh** · 20-03-2016, 04:10 PM

I am "probably" in error, but I am assuming that due to the number of, I assume military bases indicated on the map you posted. You are implying that Russia should be somewhat in awe of it.

If one was to eliminate the NATO weapons and facilities, one would suspect Russia has little to fear from the military/economic/moral might the Turks may have at their disposal.

Or are you suggesting that Turkey will attack Syria and be back stopped by NATO, due to the large number of NATO symbols on your map?

**Neo** · 20-03-2016, 04:35 PM

I'm sure Russia won't mind having Kurdish militias on board as allies.

**harrybarracuda** · 20-03-2016, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

I am "probably" in error, but I am assuming that due to the number of, I assume military bases indicated on the map you posted. You are implying that Russia should be somewhat in awe of it.

No I'm not. For some stupid reason, you're inferring it.

I would have though it's fairly obvious that the West want to keep Turkey happy because of the number of NATO bases it provides in three different theatres.

I didn't realise that this wouldn't be obvious to you.

Then I remembered....

**Dapper** · 20-03-2016, 10:46 PM

Saudi Arabia (white Daesh) is the father of Isis, says writer | Media | The Guardian

One of the commenters to my posting, UK newspapers call on Vladimir Putin to keep calm over downed jet, asked:

“What irreconcilable opposing interests do Russia and the west have? Excuse the naive question, but can someone better informed than me say why Russia’s the enemy and (Erdogan’s) Turkey, Saudi Arabia or Qatar are staunch allies?” - samwisehere

It’s a fair question and reminded me of a challenging op-ed article in the New York Times last Friday, Saudi Arabia, an Isis that has made it, by Kamel Daoud.*

He contrasted the behaviour and culture of Isis (black Daesh) with the state of Saudi Arabia (white Daesh). He began: “The former slits throats, kills, stones, cuts off hands, destroys humanity’s common heritage and despises archaeology, women and non-Muslims. The latter is better dressed and neater but does the same things.”

But the west wages war on one while shaking hands with the other and forgetting that the kingdom “relies on an alliance with a religious clergy that produces, legitimises, spreads, preaches and defends Wahhabism, the ultra-puritanical form of Islam that Daesh feeds on.”

Daoud described Wahhabism as “a messianic radicalism that arose in the 18th century” which “hopes to restore a fantasised caliphate centered on a desert, a sacred book, and two holy sites, Mecca and Medina.” He continued:

“The west’s denial regarding Saudi Arabia is striking: it salutes the theocracy as its ally but pretends not to notice that it is the world’s chief ideological sponsor of Islamist culture.

The younger generations of radicals in the so-called Arab world were not born jihadists. They were suckled in the bosom of Fatwa Valley, a kind of Islamist Vatican with a vast industry that produces theologians, religious laws, books, and aggressive editorial policies and media campaigns.”

He accepted that Saudi Arabia was a possible target of Daesh but that “overlooks the strength of the ties between the reigning family and the clergy that accounts for its stability — and also, increasingly, for its precariousness.”

For Daoud, the maintenance of good relations with Saudi Arabia undermines “western democracies’ thunderous declarations regarding the necessity of fighting terrorism...

“Since Isis is first and foremost a culture, not a militia, how do you prevent future generations from turning to jihadism when the influence of Fatwa Valley and its clerics and its culture and its immense editorial industry remains intact?”

And he concluded by observing:

“Daesh has a mother: the invasion of Iraq. But it also has a father: Saudi Arabia and its religious-industrial complex. Until that point is understood, battles may be won, but the war will be lost.”

I concede that much of this has been said before. But not often enough, I’m afraid.

Source: New York Times. *Kamel Daoud is a columnist for Quotidien d’Oran and the author of The Meursault Investigation

**billy the kid** · 21-03-2016, 02:12 AM

^ Who are Israel's friends in the desert ??

**OhOh** · 21-03-2016, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Then I remembered....

I believe a review of your medications is in order.

One assumes that the bases are home to equipment and personnel. One assumes the equipment requires personnel to operate. One assumes the personnel require orders from, ultimately the political leader of the country, to operate the equipment.

Don't conflate the ability of the resource, equipment and men/woman, with the control of it, by a here today and "probably" gone tomorrow, political leader.

Some years ago a countries leader was accused of genocide against it's population. Many countries formed a coalition to try and force, legally and illegally, the countries leader to step aside. We now have, in Turkey, a similar situation. Will the same countries form a coalition and succeed in forcing Turkey's leader aside, will they place sanctions on the country and named individuals.

Or is Turkey in the, PC accepted phrase ,"exceptional" class.

**harrybarracuda** · 21-03-2016, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Then I remembered....

I believe a review of your medications is in order.

One assumes that the bases are home to equipment and personnel. One assumes the equipment requires personnel to operate. One assumes the personnel require orders from, ultimately the political leader of the country, to operate the equipment.

Don't conflate the ability of the resource, equipment and men/woman, with the control of it, by a here today and "probably" gone tomorrow, political leader.

Some years ago a countries leader was accused of genocide against it's population. Many countries formed a coalition to try and force, legally and illegally, the countries leader to step aside. We now have, in Turkey, a similar situation. Will the same countries form a coalition and succeed in forcing Turkey's leader aside, will they place sanctions on the country and named individuals.

Or is Turkey in the, PC accepted phrase ,"exceptional" class.

In the words of Thais with a greater intellect than your own, "you think too mutt".

None of that load of rubbish you just posted is relevant.

The West wants NATO bases in Turkey so it looks after Turkey's interest in this scrap.

Is that too difficult for you to understand?

**OhOh** · 21-03-2016, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The West wants NATO bases in Turkey so it looks after Turkey's interest in this scrap.

When you imply "Turkeys interests" are you talking about the population, the military, the current genocidal xxxxxx (insert your favourite country here) government or the crusader coalition/NATO? Or as I originally suggested prior to this red herring, those who controls Turkey?

The discussion was about the Kurds, I remember!

**harrybarracuda** · 21-03-2016, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The West wants NATO bases in Turkey so it looks after Turkey's interest in this scrap.

When you imply "Turkeys interests" are you talking about the population, the military, the current genocidal xxxxxx (insert your favourite country here) government or the crusader coalition/NATO? Or as I originally suggested prior to this red herring, those who controls Turkey?

The discussion was about the Kurds, I remember!

Are you on drugs this morning?

**OhOh** · 22-03-2016, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Are you on drugs this morning?

You are clairvoyant.

Just coincidence I suppose but today I did visit two local hospitals. The first "clinic" dressed a self inflicted leg wound (when you use a brush cutter, dress in armour) and suggested a visit to the "big" hospital in the next town.

We trundled along to the Big Hospital, went through the admin and assessment teams and finally saw a very young lady doctor. She inspected the wound said she would prescribe oral antibiotics. I was about to suggest that a "growth" in my groin needed "manipulation" but a stern look from my wife put that out of my mind. She passed me onto the emergency tea with a smile.

They were having coffee but when they realised a felang needed some pain administered they all pushed to be the first.

The first approached with a large pair of scissors and with one thrust and snip the dressing fell to the bin. The second approached with a metal tray of various shaped cutting/probing instruments, a container of what looked like sweet chilli sauce and some various pieces of cotton.

He started swabbing gently but as I only whimpered softly he took that as a challenge. He next started to twist the smaller probes into the wound, which had the desired affect and his smile broadened.

Next up was a pretty young nurse, at my age everybody is, who approached with a syringe. As the doctor had proscribed oral antibiotics I questioned her. My wife spoke to her in Thai and received a reply. She turned to me with a smile and said it's a "booster". God knows what it was but the nurse was very pretty.

When I woke up........ no that's another tale.

With the last nurse approached with another tray of pads, tape and bandages and proceeded to see how tight she could wrap a large wedge of them around my ankle. Once she had received enough cries of pain from me she announce "finished" and I hobbled away. All the team said "Get well soon" and "come back here"!

My wife went over and paid 70baht for the doctors fee and a couple of hundred baht for the pills an potions for me to take home.

I did, of course, cut into my wifes cards session, so I'm sure to pay later.

**OhOh** · 22-03-2016, 02:16 PM

Allegedly the crusader coalition is creating obstacles to the continued obliteration of the terrorists. After being prompted by the Russian led forces to react to the many infringements of the ceasefire, by the globally acclaimed terrorist, they are now suggesting that the crusader coalition are not performing as they expected, and as such will not obliterate the terrorists as requested by the Russians.

This has led to a statement suggesting if the crusader coalition continues to allow the terrorists to attack in Syria, Russia will undertake the role, in the crusader coalition defined areas of responsibility and publicise the crusader coalition's failure to act on their "agreement".

https://www.rt.com/news/336498-russi...re-violations/

Another Ameristani failure to honour a signed agreement, "probably".

**rickschoppers** · 25-03-2016, 01:58 PM

Bolstered by Russian-made weapons, the Syrian Army is on the verge of taking back the historic city of Palmyra from Islamic State, which has occupied it since last May, according to RT’s sources within the command of the government forces.
“The army is less than 1km from the citadel, which means that the Syrian government is within hours of retaking the city,” Alaa Ebrahim, a Syrian journalist, told RT after talking with a high-ranking officer. “Once they control the castle, retaking Palmyra will be a formality.”

The government has been advancing from three directions in recent days, and despite sending reinforcements to the symbolic stronghold, Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) began broadcasting messages through loudspeakers in the city, urging sympathetic civilians to flee.

https://www.rt.com/news/337005-palmy...l-isis-battle/

**harrybarracuda** · 25-03-2016, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

The government has been advancing from three directions in recent days, and despite sending reinforcements to the symbolic stronghold, Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) began broadcasting messages through loudspeakers in the city, urging sympathetic civilians to flee.

Presumably so that they can flee with them.

**Black Heart** · 25-03-2016, 02:14 PM

6 arrested in Belguim.

Nuclear ambitions.

Video at this link:
6 Arrested in Brussels Police Operation After French Raids Foil Planned Terror Attack - ABC News

**Neverna** · 25-03-2016, 03:00 PM

Syrian forces enter Palmyra

Syrian government forces have entered the ancient town of Palmyra seized by Islamic State (IS) militants last year, state TV has said.

Observers say troops have advanced into a hotel district south-west of the city, a Unesco World Heritage site.

Officials launched an offensive to retake the city earlier this month, backed by Russian air strikes.

The UK-based monitoring group, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, said forces advanced into the hotel district and reached the start of a residential area but were moving slowly because of mines planted by IS, AFP news agency reported.

Regime forces were also making incursions from the northern part of the city, the agency added.

Islamic State conflict: Syrian forces enter Palmyra - BBC News

**Neverna** · 25-03-2016, 09:07 PM

IS deputy leader 'killed in Syria'

IS second-in-command reported killed in US operation in Syria this month, US media report

IS second-in-command 'killed in US raid in Syria' - BBC News

US coalition forces kill ISIS deputy leader in Syria – report

US coalition forces have killed Islamic State's second in command, Haji Imam, according to a top defense official cited by The Daily Beast. Secretary of Defense Ash Carter is expected to announce the operation later on Friday.

https://www.rt.com/news/337190-isis-...leader-killed/

**rickschoppers** · 25-03-2016, 09:12 PM

^
ISIS will just fill the void with another nutter and life goes on.

**harrybarracuda** · 25-03-2016, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Neverna

Haji Imam

My spidey senses tell me that this is not his real name.

**Neverna** · 25-03-2016, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neverna

Haji Imam

My spidey senses tell me that this is not his real name.

An astute observation, Harry. He has a more mundane name: Abd al-Rahman Mustafa al-Qaduli

**DrB0b** · 26-03-2016, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neverna

Haji Imam

My spidey senses tell me that this is not his real name.

An astute observation, Harry. He has a more mundane name: Abd al-Rahman Mustafa al-Qaduli

More commonly known as Saif abu Texpat al Brittani. You may have noticed a drop in postings.

**ENT** · 26-03-2016, 10:29 AM

^ Yer post's just another w*nkjob.

**ENT** · 26-03-2016, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neverna

Haji Imam

My spidey senses tell me that this is not his real name.

An astute observation, Harry. He has a more mundane name: Abd al-Rahman Mustafa al-Qaduli

Give him a green, bobo.

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