Thread: What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

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Silly response slack. Yes, let's get back to the topic.

Silly is right , slackula must think you are in favour of stoning women to death , murdering Blasphemers and Apostates and not having a few pints of amber throat charmer down at your local watering hole

FFS Slack, where did I say beheading ISIS fighters is the end all tactic for defeating ISIS? You are a moron for thinking that was my intention. Beheadings are a cultural thing, as someone previously said, and I feel giving them a dose of their own medicine would get their attention more than sitting around a peace table. It would also get them thinking, as it would any middle eastern resident, and if they knew that was the consequence of their actions, new recruits might think twice before joining.

You seem to be like many others putting words into people's mouths and then asking them to defend your erroneous comments. Again Slack, you need to think a bit harder and maybe come up with some viable solutions to the ISIS issue.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Beheadings are a cultural thing, as someone previously said, and I feel giving them a dose of their own medicine would get their attention more than sitting around a peace table. It would also get them thinking, as it would any middle eastern resident, and if they knew that was the consequence of their actions, new recruits might think twice before joining.

You might need to think that through again, rick, in the context of people willing to die for their cause, expecting to go to heaven when fighting for it and perhaps being used to the "cultural thing" you mentioned.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

you need to think a bit harder and maybe come up with some viable solutions to the ISIS issue.

All the possible solutions have already been posted in this thread - numerous times. Western countries beheading IS fighters is a new one, and quite frankly, one of the silliest non-starters mentioned so far. (Sorry about that.) But perhaps it was just a 'joke'.

No joke Neverna, but instead an eye for an eye that would be along the thinking of ISIS. Beheading has been used since the prophet and many others cultures, like the Romans, have used it to strike terror in their enemies.

Islamic civilization is not a historical anomaly in its sanction of decapitation.[36] The Roman Empire beheaded citizens (such as the Christian Saint Paul) while they crucified noncitizens (such as Jesus Christ). French revolutionaries employed the guillotine to decapitate opponents. Nevertheless, Islam is the only major world religion today that is cited by both state and non-state actors to legitimize beheadings. And two major aspects of decapitation in an Islamic context should be noted: first, the practice has both Qur'anic and historical sanction. It is not the product of a fabricated tradition. Second, in contradiction to the assertions of apologists, both Muslim and non-Muslim, these beheadings are not simply a brutal method of drawing attention to the Islamist political agenda and weakening opponents' will to fight. Zarqawi and other Islamists who practice decapitation believe that God has ordained them to obliterate their enemies in this manner. Islam is, for this determined minority of Muslims, anything but a "religion of peace." It is, rather, a religion of the sword with the blade forever at the throat of the unbeliever.

Beheading in the Name of Islam :: Middle East Quarterly

Originally Posted by MrG

Slackula raises a valid point.
You state you are in favor of giving them the same as they give.
Slack asks how many other tactics of theirs would you be willing to adopt in the name of defeating them, or, as you put it, discourage more recruits.

As for beheddings being a cultural thing, I remember the French used it for quite some time, publically with programs and popcorn. There are oil paintings of these events on museum walls--high art, dontcha know.

Funny world.

Mr.G, I am only discussing beheadings and no other ISIS tactics. To my knowledge, beheadings are accepted by muslims because it has been translated in the Quran even though the original words may have been morphed. To my knowlege, rape is not something accepted in the Quran and Slack is just tyring to be cute with his remarks and take things much farther than my intent.

I seriously doubt the west would have the stomach to follow through with my suggestion, so it is a mute point. I personally feel we do need to come up with something a little more cultural than dropping bombs and lazer guided missles. Having all western and non-middle eastern involvement removed would be a good start, but will that ever happen?

I think it would be a deterrent to any rational or sane person. Are all the recruits really that dedicated? I don't think so, and it would sure give them something to think about.

Please see my last post where I stated it is a mute point since the west would never have the stomach for it. Maybe if they saw a beheading in person, they may change their mind. I witnessed one in Saudi Arabia and was pushed to the front to get a good view. It made me think twice.

Whether this is true or not this would be a bigger deterrent than any thing seen thus far ,but it will not happen as these murdering bastards have "RIGHTS" don't they

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Just before World War I, there were a number of terrorist attacks on the United States forces in the Philippines, by Muslim extremists. General Pershing captured 50 terrorists, and had them tied to posts for execution. He had his is men slaughter two pigs, in front of the horrified terrorists

The soldiers soaked their bullets in the pig's blood, and proceeded to execute 49 of the terrorists by firing squad. The soldiers dug a big hole, dumped in the terrorist's bodies, and covered them in pig blood, entrails, etc. They let the 50th man go.

Originally Posted by Neverna

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Just before World War I, there were a number of terrorist attacks on the United States forces in the Philippines, by Muslim extremists. General Pershing captured 50 terrorists, and had them tied to posts for execution. He had his is men slaughter two pigs, in front of the horrified terrorists

The soldiers soaked their bullets in the pig's blood, and proceeded to execute 49 of the terrorists by firing squad. The soldiers dug a big hole, dumped in the terrorist's bodies, and covered them in pig blood, entrails, etc. They let the 50th man go.

Of course we both know why you cherry picked my post and deleted the part's which you did not think suited your purpose , and then you have the fucking temerity to slag Fox news off

Thanks for thinking out of the box piwanoi. Too bad none of the coalition governments can seem to do the same.

Pershing and Pigs : snopes.com

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Neverna

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Just before World War I, there were a number of terrorist attacks on the United States forces in the Philippines, by Muslim extremists. General Pershing captured 50 terrorists, and had them tied to posts for execution. He had his is men slaughter two pigs, in front of the horrified terrorists

The soldiers soaked their bullets in the pig's blood, and proceeded to execute 49 of the terrorists by firing squad. The soldiers dug a big hole, dumped in the terrorist's bodies, and covered them in pig blood, entrails, etc. They let the 50th man go.

Of course we both know why you cherry picked my post and deleted the part's which you did not think suited your purpose , and then you have the fucking temerity to slag Fox news off

Hey, thicko. I didn't quote you at all, so pray tell me how I can cherry pick from it.
Have you been on the pineapple grog again?

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Thanks for thinking out of the box piwanoi. Too bad none of the coalition governments can seem to do the same.

Pershing and Pigs : snopes.com

Rick, you are placing yourself in the same box as Piwanoi. FFS, get a grip. The coalition governments aren't doing it because it's a stupid, pointless idea and, more importantly, it won't fucking work.

So what is your solution to ISIS again Neverna? I accept any solutions, no matter how stupid it seems. Nothing has worked so far, why not try something different?

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

So what is your solution to ISIS again Neverna.

Re-read the thread, Rick, or some of my earlier posts in it.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I accept any solutions, no matter how stupid it seems.

Stupid is stupid and therefore, naturally, not going to work.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Nothing has worked so far, why not try something different?

It's not a simple thing. Outside powers fighting proxy wars, vested interests, etc etc. It will take time. Trying 'stupid' new ideas won't help. War isn't new. The solution to ending war isn't new.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

So what is your solution to ISIS again Neverna.

Re-read the thread, Rick, or some of my earlier posts in it.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I accept any solutions, no matter how stupid it seems.

Stupid is stupid and therefore, naturally, not going to work.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Nothing has worked so far, why not try something different?

It's not a simple thing. Outside powers fighting proxy wars, vested interests, etc etc. It will take time. Trying 'stupid' new ideas won't help. War isn't new. The solution to ending war isn't new.

Are you trying to say that all conflicts should be pursued by the RULES ? yeah like the German's and The Russian did and The American's and the Japs did in WW2 , ? fuck the rules ,HTF can you have rules when you are fighting stop at nothing Islamic terrorist's in their Holy war? get a grip FFS . , I plainly said it will not happen between the West and Isis cos they have RIGHTS and we have fuck all , except Political correctness .

You seem to be a sensible person Neverna and have some good understanding of the middle east. You surely understand that if something works, even if it seems stupid, it is a good idea. I have read all the posts of this thread and there are some good ideas and I consider none of them totally unreasonable.

It is your mindset to think if an idea is stupid to you, it can not be done. History has proven you wrong on several occasions when discussing war. Many thought it was stupid for the British to think they could withstand an attack from Hitler and Adolf himself did not take the UK seriously. There are always ways to win a war, but to call any solution stupid and not consider it, is to admit defeat.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

You seem to be a sensible person Neverna and have some good understanding of the middle east. You surely understand that if something works, even if it seems stupid, it is a good idea. I have read all the posts of this thread and there are some good ideas and I consider none of them totally unreasonable.

It is your mindset to think if an idea is stupid to you, it can not be done. History has proven you wrong on several occasions when discussing war. Many thought it was stupid for the British to think they could withstand an attack from Hitler and Adolf himself did not take the UK seriously. There are always ways to win a war, but to call any solution stupid and not consider it, is to admit defeat.

There is much information in the media all saying the same thing, that the Horrific A Bombing of Nagasaki and and Hiroshima saved untold millions of lives on both sides .

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

You seem to be a sensible person Neverna and have some good understanding of the middle east. You surely understand that if something works, even if it seems stupid, it is a good idea. I have read all the posts of this thread and there are some good ideas and I consider none of them totally unreasonable.

It is your mindset to think if an idea is stupid to you, it can not be done. History has proven you wrong on several occasions when discussing war. Many thought it was stupid for the British to think they could withstand an attack from Hitler and Adolf himself did not take the UK seriously. There are always ways to win a war, but to call any solution stupid and not consider it, is to admit defeat.

I'm all for brainstorming ideas without initial thought and then considering them later. I'm not saying don't consider ideas. I'm saying jettison the silly ones - the pig's blood etc. It surely won't take you more than a few seconds to realise it's silly and a waste of time to actually carry it out. Western powers beheading IS fighters? How? Where? IMO, more trouble/effort than it's worth (to do legally). And how about the moral high-ground? That will be lost pdq.

Your thought process is too rational Nerverna. You would never make a successful army general.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Your thought process is too rational Nerverna. You would never make a successful army general.

Well, (western) army generals have to work within their military and legal remits. I believe they are rational people otherwise they wouldn't have got to where they are. And for the records, I am not an army general so I doubt will ever become a successful one.