What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

**MrG** · 21-02-2016, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

The west needs to figure out a strategy to eliminate this strength of having small cells causing most the global terror. Many on here have come up with some good ideas, but that does not get the job done. Vast amounts of money are now being spent on counter terrorism and that will continue until a solution is reached.

The problem with ME jihadists needs to be fixed from the inside. A good start would be stopping the Saudi support for Wahabiism. The next would be some sort of alliance of ME and other Muslim countries to stop them.
And then Western nations could just apologize and get the fuck out of there.

I tend to agree with you, especially about the west backing away, but then that would leave the Russians,

Yeah, and all that oil in their shopping cart.
But they might get their ass handed to them like they did in Afghanistan.

**OhOh** · 21-02-2016, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by jimbobs

Stop the money thats getting them guns.?.....

ISIS .... actually pay somebody! if so who, for the weapons, the food, the water, the petrol .............?

**piwanoi** · 21-02-2016, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I personally feel we do need to come up with something a little more cultural than dropping bombs and lazer guided missles.

Stand off weapons, bombs and missiles are used because if "ground forces" were used it would involve sustaining casualties. As we all know having your own brothers killed is not how the crusader coalition works, or what their electorate would stomach or been sold on.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I witnessed one in Saudi Arabia and was pushed to the front to get a good view. It made me think twice.

Have you ever been to a hanging or a lethal injection killing? Wouldn't you have similar concerns?

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Too bad none of the coalition governments can seem to do the same.

Originally Posted by Neverna

The coalition governments aren't doing it because it's a stupid, pointless idea and, more importantly, it won't fucking work.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Nothing has worked so far, why not try something different?

You may want to investigate the claims of the P4+1 coalition. They do seem to be retaking territory, clearing out terrorists from cities etc. Even starting to feed and medicate the trapped citizens, allegedly.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Outside powers fighting proxy wars, vested interests,

The P4+1 powers have plenty of skin in the game.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

then we came in and started playing it by the RULES, now look at both of them today, a never ending blood bath .

The Libyan government has told the crusader coalition to stop creating war inside Libya, not that the crusader coalition will take any heed of a government they installed. The Germans predict 100,000s of African will make it to Europe this year.

The first part of your Post is spot on as far as boots on the ground goes as I said in my post 1741 no Western leader or even the Ruskies will not put their soldiers en masse into the trouble spots for fear of thousands of their men being shipped home in body bags , personally speaking I think it may work in stopping Isis and in a very short space of time too.

**OhOh** · 22-02-2016, 03:06 PM

No problems the British Air-force has been in action firing missiles, the worst kind in the world - called Brimstone. Everybody hide under the table and pee ones pants. These £100,000 a pop missiles 10 to 20 of them have been fired at carefully selected targets and passed the British government's audit procedure. Stationary oil facilities owned by the Syrian Government, the odd tent in the desert but mostly not at any terrorists, male or female and some trucks parked up awaiting a oil order - luckily all the drivers were having their megabreakfast which of course included FRIED LIVER.

"Britain’s sophisticated air-to-surface Brimstone missiles have not killed any terrorists in Syria so far, although at least nine missiles have been fired. A single missile using radar homing and laser guidance technology costs £100,000. The Huffington Post UK made a freedom of information (FOI) request to the British Defense Ministry and discovered the much-touted Brimstone missiles with promised standalone precision have not claimed any terrorist scalps yet.

After British MPs voted in favor of the Royal Air Force joining the Syria campaign in December, the expensive missiles were held back for at least the first month of operations.
Brimstone’s first recorded deployment took place on January 10, the Independent reports. It was aimed against terrorist supply trucks in Raqqa. By the end of January, Brimstone missiles had been used in nine raids."

https://www.rt.com/news/332970-brims...ria-jihadists/

**OhOh** · 22-02-2016, 03:19 PM

Allegedly, the Greeks have offered a port for Russia to use.

Greece Offers Russia the Use of Its Port to Bypass the Dardanelles and Bosporus

"The administration of Simferopol and the chamber of Commerce of the Greek region of Evros have signed a cooperation agreement. It aims to develop socio-economic and trade relations between Crimea and the Greek region. This was stated by the mayor of the city of Alexandroupolis - Evangelos Lambakis.

The interest of our chamber of Commerce is very serious. We could cooperate in many areas, considering that the city has one of the largest ports, which allows the exchange of goods to bypass the Dardanelles and Bosporus. Alexandroupolis becomes an energy link which passes through about three oil pipelines and one LNG station. Our region is one of the largest producers of wind energy. We could share these technologies with Crimea. Furthermore, the Evros is a region with highly developed agriculture and animal husbandry."

Whether that includes armed warships has not been clarified

**OhOh** · 22-02-2016, 03:31 PM

Alquieda, aka a "friend" of all-Qaeda have gone to the UN for it's protection

Russian airstrikes in Syria forced "Jabhat al-Nusra" to seek help at the UN, writes Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten with reference to Reuters. The Syrian opposition has asked for a "two to three week-long truce" and as a pre-condition demanded not to attack the terrorist group. The militants asked for this step so they could take a breather and regroup, preventing its complete destruction, says the author of the article.

To promote their interests in Syria, the U.S. and Saudi Arabia have long supported "Jabhat al-Nusra", writes Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten. They supply the group with arms and money, whilst Western politicians are constantly trying to put the terrorists from this organization in a more favorable light, enrolling them in the ranks of the "moderate Syrian opposition". And although "Jabhat al-Nusra" officially denied involvement with al-Qaeda, they did so solely in order to participate in the Syrian war, the author notes."

One assumes the Al-AQaeda organisation is the same ones which the Ameritans accuse of causing the 9-11 incident, or have they similarly become "moderate terrorists"?

DWN: Al-Nusra Asks UN to Protect Them From Russia - Fort Russ

What a farce this crusader coalition has become, no strategy, no leadership and no balls.

**Neo** · 22-02-2016, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Greece Offers Russia the Use of Its Port to Bypass the Dardanelles and Bosporus

"The administration of Simferopol and the chamber of Commerce of the Greek region of Evros have signed a cooperation agreement. It aims to develop socio-economic and trade relations between Crimea and the Greek region. This was stated by the mayor of the city of Alexandroupolis - Evangelos Lambakis.

Hardly surprising the the region is seeking assistance from Russia after the EU has crippled the economy.

**harrybarracuda** · 22-02-2016, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by OhOh

Greece Offers Russia the Use of Its Port to Bypass the Dardanelles and Bosporus

"The administration of Simferopol and the chamber of Commerce of the Greek region of Evros have signed a cooperation agreement. It aims to develop socio-economic and trade relations between Crimea and the Greek region. This was stated by the mayor of the city of Alexandroupolis - Evangelos Lambakis.

Hardly surprising the the region is seeking assistance from Russia after the EU has crippled the economy.

Fucking great, let them sponge the life out of Russia instead.

**Neo** · 22-02-2016, 08:32 PM

You seem quite blasé about Russia getting a foothold in Europe.

Have you seen the light Harry..?

**Neverna** · 22-02-2016, 09:52 PM

Syria's Assad says he is ready for truce if 'terrorists' do not exploit it

22 February 2016

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad said on Saturday he was ready for a ceasefire, on condition "terrorists" did not use a lull in fighting to their advantage and that countries backing insurgents halted support for them.

His comments were made as the Syrian opposition said it had agreed to the "possibility" of a temporary truce, provided there were guarantees Damascus's allies, including Russia, would cease fire, sieges were lifted and aid deliveries were allowed country-wide.

"We have said that we are ready to stop military operations, but the issue relates to more important factors ... such as preventing terrorists from using it to improve their positions," Assad told Spanish newspaper El Pais in an interview.

He also said any truce must ensure that "other countries, especially Turkey, are prevented from sending more terrorists and weapons, or any kind of logistical support."

Turkey, other Sunni regional powers and Western countries have supported insurgents fighting against Assad, whose forces are bolstered by Iran, Russia and Lebanese Hezbollah.

Asked about the possibility of Turkey and Saudi Arabia sending ground forces into Syria, Assad said: "We're going to deal with them like we deal with the terrorists. We're going to defend our country. This is aggression."

Attempts to negotiate a truce in recent months have failed. The latest round of talks at the United Nations in Geneva is being jointly chaired by Russia and the United States.

World powers agreed in Munich on February 12 to a cessation of hostilities that would let humanitarian aid be delivered in Syria.

The ceasefire was scheduled to start a week later, but did not take effect. Syrian army offensives continue unabated across the country, backed by Russian air strikes.

Assad said last week he would keep "fighting terrorism" while peace talks took place, vowing to retake the whole country.

He told El Pais his troops were now close to fully controlling the northern city of Aleppo and were advancing towards the Islamic State stronghold of Raqqa province.

Once he has control of the country, Assad also said in the interview, the next step would be to form a national unity government that would lay the groundwork for a new constitution and general elections.

Reuters via Egypt Independent
Syria's Assad says he is ready for truce if 'terrorists' do not exploit it | Egypt Independent

**chassamui** · 22-02-2016, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by Neo

Hardly surprising the the region is seeking assistance from Russia after the EU

After the EU ordered them to stop spending other peoples money.
FTFY

**OhOh** · 23-02-2016, 09:16 AM

Peace Agreed by the main combatants. Let the guns remain silent

A deal has been agreed by the two powers to end the Syrian war.

https://www.rt.com/politics/official...-ceasefire-us/

"The essence of these conditions is as follows: by 12:00 pm on February 26, 2016, all parties warring in Syria must indicate to the Russian Federation or our American partners their commitment to the cessation of hostilities. Russian and American troops will jointly delineate the territories where these groups are active. No military action will be taken against them by the Armed Forces of the Syrian Arab Republic, Russian Armed Forces and the US-led coalition. In turn, the opposition will cease all military action against the Armed Forces of the Syrian Arab Republic and other groups supporting them.ISIS, Jabhat Al-Nursa, and other terrorist organisations designated by the United Nations Security Council, are excluded from the cessation of hostilities. Strikes against them will continue."

Joint Statement.

Joint Statement of the United States and the Russian Federation, as Co-Chairs of the ISSG, on Cessation of Hostilities in Syria

**ENT** · 23-02-2016, 02:56 PM

Best thing to do about IS and its affiliates is to bomb shoot and murder the fwk out of them completely.

No pussy-foot USA politics, use Russian attitude.

Re, refugee/ migrant influx into Europe;
Check the lot out.

Legitimate refugees from war, OK.

The rest of the immigrants can go get fwd.

I want a better life, so do we all.

Muslims got no preferential status,....AT ALL!!

**piwanoi** · 23-02-2016, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by ENT

Best thing to do about IS and its affiliates is to bomb shoot and murder the fwk out of them completely.

No pussy-foot USA politics, use Russian attitude.

Re, refugee/ migrant influx into Europe;
Check the lot out.

Legitimate refugees from war, OK.

The rest of the immigrants can go get fwd.

I want a better life, so do we all.

Muslims got no preferential status,....AT ALL!!

Hmm ,An extremist point of view indeed , but of course I happen to agree with every word

**rickschoppers** · 23-02-2016, 04:59 PM

In Syria, dozens killed as bombers strike in Homs and Damascus, regime says

Good job by ISIS to try and derail the cease fire, but it sounds like a done deal for Friday. We shall see.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/21/mi...ria-civil-war/

**Neverna** · 23-02-2016, 05:07 PM

The ceasefire doesn't apply to ISIS. They will continue to be targets.

**rickschoppers** · 23-02-2016, 05:09 PM

Yes, only the main players and not ISIS. That did not keep them from trying to distract the talks, which was my point,

**Neverna** · 23-02-2016, 05:10 PM

OK. Fair enough.

**ENT** · 23-02-2016, 05:45 PM

R we trying to differentiate betwen mo'fwkn murderin islamofascists and aone so -presumed to be moderate Muslims?

G ive up.

There are no moderate Muslims,.....

They ALL belenive in a global Islamic takeover!

Fight or die!

**piwanoi** · 23-02-2016, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by ENT

R we trying to differentiate betwen mo'fwkn murderin islamofascists and aone so -presumed to be moderate Muslims?

G ive up.

There are no moderate Muslims,.....

They ALL belenive in a global Islamic takeover!

Fight or die!

True ENT, A World wide Caliphate is their only beliefs , any one who thinks different should go and seek urgent Physiological assistance

**piwanoi** · 23-02-2016, 06:25 PM

^ No doubt the usual Teak door Islamic defence members will have some thing derogatory to say about my sheer audacity for posting the video and the truth about IS

**OhOh** · 24-02-2016, 10:09 AM

The agreement, if we are to believe it will be honoured by anyone, states that the UN definition of who is a terrorist will be the governing body.

There is a list available which has hundreds of named organisations and people, many of which state quite openly which other terrorist groups they are associated with.

Some have said that even if the areas held by so called moderate terrorists aren't disclosed, to the Russian and Ameristani governments. The mosaic of declared zones will identify the undisclosed zones occupied by the unknown terrorists and thus will be targeted by the P4+1 coalition.

**HermantheGerman** · 25-02-2016, 02:02 PM

* I'am sure a lot of numbnuts here still haven't realized this or are just plain stupid.

Some are pushing to call the Islamic State’s actions ‘genocide.’ What would that mean?

What does the word “genocide” mean in 2016?
The question is before the public in a way it hasn’t been for a decade, with the debate coming to a head between the White House and a growing group of lawmakers demanding the administration use the term to describe religious and ethnic minorities targeted by the Islamic State – in particular Christians.
A measure Congress passed late last year mandates Secretary of State John Kerry to formally answer by March 17 whether its victims are the targets of genocide, and Kerry addressed the topic for the first time in public Wednesday. He was asked about it during a budget hearing by Rep. Jeff Fortenberry (R-Neb.) Fortenberry noted that the European Parliament, the U.S. Catholic bishops, Pope Francis, Hillary Clinton and Marco Rubio, among others, had used the word about ISIS.
“None of us have ever seen anything like it in our lifetimes. Obviously if you go back to the Holocaust, the world has seen it,” Kerry told the committee, adding that he was studying “legal standards and precedents” and would make a judgment soon.
The topic has been partisan, and heavily charged in every direction, with questions about whether the U.S. favors or ignores Christians (or Muslims, among others), and whether using such a powerful label would inevitably force a change U.S. policy in Iraq and Syria. Would it mandate more military action? A change in refugee policy that would open the U.S. doors to many more thousands of religious minorities fleeing ISIS? And if so, which faith, or faiths, would get preference?
[Why the question of Christian v Muslim refugees has become so divisive]
It’s a web of politics, law, war and religion that the White House has so far been extremely cautious of engaging. A spokesperson for the State Department declined to comment Wednesday.
Genocide scholars say the administration’s decision has large implications for what the word means. Bill Clinton hesitated to use the word in Rwanda, saying it would mandate action. George Bush used it a decade later in Darfur, but concluded it didn’t mandate any policy change. Genocide experts want, above all, for the word to mean something.
“We want it so that when we use the label it does set triggers. This is an opportunity for the Obama administration to set that precedent,” said Cameron Hudson, director of the center for genocide prevention at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum. “This is a very consequential debate.”
It is also a heavily political topic. While some Democratic leaders have called for the White House to label Islamic State atrocities “genocide,” most advocates are Republicans, and many of Obama’s most visible, outspoken critics on this topic are conservative Christian leaders who have tried during his presidency to paint the president as diminishing the role of Christianity in public life. The genocide fight links criticism of Obama’s policy in the Middle East to the emotional topic of tribe.
Most GOP candidates have made part of their platform the protection of Christians in the Middle East and said religious liberty is eroding.
A major budget measure passed in December included a section calling for Kerry to submit to Congress an evaluation of the situation “including whether the situation constitutes mass atrocities or genocide..and a detailed description of any proposed atrocities prevention response recommended.” A measure introduced in the fall and sponsored by Fortenberry (and two other Republicans and three Democrats) is expected to come before the House this spring. It asks Congress to declare “Christians and other ethnic and religious minorities” victims of war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide.
The U.S. government rarely designates conflicts “genocide,” a term that was created after the Holocaust. Crimes in Bosnia in 1995, Rwanda in 1994, Burundi in 1972 and 1993 and Darfur beginning in 2003 have been given that label.
Use of the word is governed not by any U.S. law but by the 1948 convention adopted by the United Nations on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. It defines genocide as acts ”committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.”
“There is a misconception about the word. The Genocide Convention doesn’t require us to do anything,” said Greg Stanton, president of Genocide Watch and a past president of the International Association of Genocide Scholars.
Stanton believes the word is underused, and that there have been 55 genocides since the Holocaust – including the crimes perpetrated by ISIS. He noted that it’s only been in the last year or so – because of ISIS atrocities – that most American Christians have paid attention to the cause of Middle Eastern Christians, who have been being pushed out of the region for several decades. A common expression is that Middle Eastern Christians have been “too Christian for the left and too foreign for the right.”
Until very recently, it’s primarily been American Catholics who focused on the region, Stanton said.
“Essentially people don’t care. The bystander phenomenon is why genocide continues. As long as we don’t call it the right name, nothing will be done about it. That’s what worries me.”
Dozens of members of the Association of Genocide Scholars signed a statement calling for Congress to declare genocide the Islamic State’s killings of “Chaldean, Assyrian, Melkite Greek and Coptic Christians, Yazidis, Shia Muslims, Sunni Kurts” and other groups.
Stanton acknowledged that comprehensive research hasn’t been done in Iraq and Syria and said a group of scholars is planning to return for deeper work.
Hudson’s institute in December released a 32-page report from the Holocaust Museum saying ISIS had waged “crimes against humanity, war crimes, and ethnic cleansing” against multiple groups in Northern Iraq, but only found evidence of genocide against the Yazidis, a Kurdish community. Fact-finding showed special ISIS attention to trying to prevent future generations of Yazidis from being born, he said.
Hudson said the debate over the word is somewhat misplaced, as it’s not clear that it would mandate or change anything on the ground. It’s also under debate, he said, whether using the label would “create a hierarchy of suffering” that could affect reconciliation among the many groups in some future peacemaking period.
“The problem with the genocide debate and I’ve seen this in many cases, is we spend time talking about whether it’s a genocide or not and no time saying: What will we do about it? There is no debate about how to protect religious communities. All the policy space is taken up with a debate that at the end of the day doesn’t change anything,” he said.
Hudson said the new challenge with the Islamic State is that genocide law has been built around the idea of holding nations accountable with things like sanctions and courts. How do you hold ISIS accountable? Stanton said people who live in recognized nations who participate with ISIS — this could include Americans or Europeans who join and then return home — could be tired by International Criminal Court.
“ISIS doesn’t care but they will if their people are starting to come back and get tried for war crimes,” Stanton said.
While people debate words, Fortenberry said, “people die, people have no recourse returning to their ancient land…while we debate these nuances.”
Asked what might change if Islamic State crimes were labeled genocide, he said that while he didn’t have a detailed plan – though he did mention his desire for the United States to more aggressively create “safety zones” for religious minorities – he said “the reality” of genocide would change the context for debate about U.S. policy.
The pending legislation came up last fall, in good part inspired by Pope Francis’s use of the word and his pending visit, Stanton said. While some have worked on the issue for many years, the suffering of Middle East Christians has become a cause celebre on Capitol Hill. Multiple versions were put forward by different groups, including some that asked that only Christians be called victims of genocide.
The State Department, however, has remained quiet.
Bob McKenzie, a former State Department senior adviser who now works on Islamic world issues at the Brookings Institution, said the White House is being extremely cautious for political and foreign policy reasons. If multiple groups are declared victims of genocide it would “impel the administration to advance in ways I don’t think they are prepared to do now. It’s not dissimilar to what happened in Rwanda,” he said. “My God, especially in this election cycle. I think it would have an impact, and not – from their point of view – a positive one.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...uld-that-mean/

**Neo** · 25-02-2016, 03:07 PM

Paragraphs muthafucka.!!

**OhOh** · 29-02-2016, 11:15 AM

A cuatious start to the ceasefire. Some breaches from the accepted terrorists. Some attacks by the P4+1 and crusader coalitions.

Allegedly, from Sky news, an attack on Kurds from invaders from Turkey were observed by P4+1 groups, a request from the Russian command centre to the crusader coalition centre, resulted in crusader coalition planes bombing the terrorists/Turkish Army

War Planes 'Strike Six Towns In Syria'

"Sunday's strikes come amid reports that the northern Syrian town of Tel Abyad has come under attack from Turkish territory.
Russia contacted the US co-ordination centre in Amman, which is monitoring the break in fighting, after the attack was recorded by the Russian co-ordination centre in Syria, the Interfax news agency reported.

IS militants stormed the Kurdish-controlled town on Saturday sparking clashes that killed at least 70 IS members, 20 Kurdish militiamen and two civilians, the Observatory said.

US-led coalition warplanes launched at least 10 airstrikes to repel the assault, it reported."

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