The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[bobo746]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/us...ml?ref=us&_r=0

Anger and Doubt Rise After Idaho Man’s Fatal Encounter With Deputies

COUNCIL, Idaho — The Yantis family was at dinner when the telephone rang. A bull owned by Jack Yantis, 62, had been struck by a vehicle on Route 95, which cuts through Yantis land. He needed to come down.
Collisions like that are not uncommon here in the rural West, where “open range” signs warn drivers that fences might not count for much. And there is usually a hard Western conclusion: The owner of the animal, if it is still alive but deemed beyond recovery, puts a bullet through its head and hauls it away.
This time, it went wrong. About 45 minutes after the crash, Mr. Yantis lay dying on the highway, shot by two deputies from the Adams County sheriff’s office who had responded to the collision. Mr. Yantis’s wife, Donna, 63, who had been ordered to the ground with other bystanders and relatives, was having a heart attack.
Much about what happened that night, on a dark stretch of highway just outside Payette National Forest, two hours north of Boise, remains uncertain

[bobo746]

Shootings injure 5, including 3 teens on South Side - Chicago Tribune

Shootings injure 5, including 3 teens on South Side

Five people were injured, including a 13-year-old girl and two 17-year-old boys, in three separate shootings Tuesday, Chicago police said.
In the latest shooting, a 17-year-old boy was shot on the 8600 block of South Morgan Street in the Gresham neighborhood, said Officer Thomas Sweeney, a police spokesman.
The teen was shot in the leg at 8:25 p.m. and his condition had stabilized, said Sweeney. No hospital information was immediately available.
In addition to that shooting, two men were injured on the 2100 block of East 68th Street in the South Shore neighborhood at 3:11 p.m., said Sweeney.
A 29-year-old man was shot in the arm and was in good condition and a 34-year-old man was shot in the leg and his condition had stabilized, said Sweeney. Both men were taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital.
The men were standing when a vehicle drove up to them and someone inside the vehicle opened fire, striking the men, Sweeney said.
The earlier shooting happened at 9:05 a.m. in the 11700 block of South Perry Avenue in the West Pullman neighborhood, said Officer Jose Estrada, another police spokesman.
The teens were standing with a group when a dark van drove up and someone inside began shooting, Estrada said. The van then fled.
The girl was shot in the right leg, and the boy was shot in the buttocks, Estrada said. Both teens were taken in good condition to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn, Estrada said.
Police said the shooting may be gang-related because the boy is a known gang member

[VocalNeal]

Mr. Yantis lay dying on the highway, shot by two deputies from the Adams County sheriff’s office who had responded to the collision.

Law enforcement officers can't control themselves and Americans want the French to all carry guns now? Utter idiocy

[AntRobertson]

NRA-Backed Legislator: We Can’t Take Syrian Refugees Because It’s Too Easy For Them To Buy Guns
BY JOSH ISRAEL NOV 17, 2015 11:47AM


Texas Rep. Tony Dale (R) on Monday


A Texas state legislator wants the U.S. to stop allowing Syrian refugees into the country. His reasoning: They might be able to buy guns in his state.

Rep. Tony Dale (R) made this argument in a television interview on Monday and in letters to Texas’ U.S. Sens. John Cornyn and Ted Cruz (R) and U.S. Reps. Michael McCaul and John Carter (R).

“While the Paris attackers used suicide vests and grenades,” Dale wrote, “it is clear that firearms also killed a large number of innocent victims. Can you imagine a scenario were [sic] a refugees [sic] is admitted to the United States, is provided with federal cash payments and other assistance, obtains a drivers license and purchases a weapon and executes an attack?” He urged the lawmakers to “do whatever you can to stop the [Syrian refugee] program.”

But Dale is one of the Texas legislature’s most fervent gun-rights advocates. Two weeks ago, he tweeted his National Rifle Association membership renewal. In accepting an “A” rating from the group and the Texas State Rifle Association’s PAC in 2012, he observed: “Perhaps no right is more fundamental than the right to keep and bear arms.” And his campaign website vows his fealty to the Second Amendment, saying it “isn’t just an archaic document,” a “guarantor of all of our other freedoms.” And he and his colleagues in the state legislature have blocked mandatory background checks for all gun purchases.

This not the first time Dale has raised concerns about non-citizens in Texas. “I’m not saying all of these people are bad, but there are certainly people from countries of concern,” he said in March, explaining the need for legislation to create special drivers licenses for “foreigners.”

The NRA frequently claims that restrictions on gun purchases are unnecessary because “criminals don’t legally purchase firearms.” But in reality, a comprehensive analysis by Mayors Against Illegal Guns found that most guns used in recent mass shootings were purchased legally.

While those applying for refugee status must complete “the most stringent security process for anyone entering the United States,” those attempting to purchase guns through private sales at gun shows in Texas and many other states are not required to undergo any background checks whatsoever. Virtually none of the millions of refugees admitted into the United States since 1980 have become terrorists, but the U.S. leads the world in mass shootings — almost all of which are perpetrated by people born in America.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...ns-gun-access/

[harrybarracuda]

I was just going to post that piece of classic fuckwittery!

[panama hat]

NRA-Backed Legislator: We Can’t Take Syrian Refugees Because It’s Too Easy For Them To Buy Guns

Simply unbelievable . . . but believable.

“Perhaps no right is more fundamental than the right to keep and bear arms.”

They have truly lost it . . .

[rickschoppers]

Panama Hat, what would really be ironic is the fact that terrorists are staying away from the US since so many citizens do have guns to blow them away. Why do you think they are picking on France and the rest of Europe. The UK's turn is coming.

If I were a terrorist, I would only pick countries who allow no firearms. Talk about soft targets. Either way, I feel better knowing I have some iron close by when visiting the US.

[AntRobertson]

Panama Hat, what would really be ironic is the fact that terrorists are staying away from the US since so many citizens do have guns to blow them away.

I don't think that's a fact at all. Guns aren't particularly useful against suicide bombers, bombs, or planes flown into buildings are they. They didn't stop the Oklahoma City or Boston marathon bombings, 9/11, and were actually used in any number of other religious/terrorism inspired events.

It's about opportunity and proximity more than anything else.

[panama hat]

Panama Hat, what would really be ironic is the fact that terrorists are staying away from the US since so many citizens do have guns to blow them away

Well, it wouldn't be ironic because that is hardly the reason the US has been chosen for one of these attacks. I could give you a geography lesson, but you'd still not understand

If I were a terrorist

If I were a fireman or superman!!!!!

If I were a terrorist, I would only pick countries who allow no firearms

Sure you would . . . Good grief, I'm trying to decide if you really are as thick as you seem or you're just removed from reality - - or an unhappy marriage of the two

Oh, 9/11 seems to have made you look the fool then . . . population full of weirdoes with guns and NNE of them stopped it.
Weak as piss, aren't you

Either way, I feel better knowing I have some iron close by when visiting the US.

Yup, to keep those musslim terrerists away from you

Aside from what I write, I believe Ant has covered the relevant points

I don't think that's a fact at all. Guns aren't particularly useful against suicide bombers, bombs, or planes flown into buildings are they. They didn't stop the Oklahoma City or Boston marathon bombings, 9/11, and were actually used in any number of other religious/terrorism inspired events.

There, now you can go complain to the mods again how people are mean and disagree with you . . . whiny little girl

[harrybarracuda]

If I were a terrorist, I would only pick countries who allow no firearms. Talk about soft targets. Either way, I feel better knowing I have some iron close by when visiting the US.

Yes, but you're not a terrorist (Islamic just to be clear) otherwise you would embrace death and therefore not really give much of a stuff about the risk of getting shot.

[buriramboy]

Panama Hat, what would really be ironic is the fact that terrorists are staying away from the US since so many citizens do have guns to blow them away. Why do you think they are picking on France and the rest of Europe. The UK's turn is coming.

If I were a terrorist, I would only pick countries who allow no firearms. Talk about soft targets. Either way, I feel better knowing I have some iron close by when visiting the US.

Even if terrorists kill a few thousand people in Europe with firearms it still pales into insignificance when compared to how many people are killed with firearms in the US every year, so your argument is futile.

[rickschoppers]

What a bunch of fucktards. None of you really have a clue, do you? Oh, and this is the Speakers Corner so we can really say what we mean. I pitty all those who have been so defensive of their unarmed countries. Sure makes attacks like that in France much easier. We shall see where and how the next terrorist shootings take place.

Considering the topic of this thread Buriboy, you have a point. But what happens next in Europe where they are essentially unarmed?

[AntRobertson]

... You're the dude that complains about name-calling in place of reasoned debate, right?

[rickschoppers]

... You're the dude that complains about name-calling in place of reasoned debate, right?

Well I have learned namecalling and personal attacks are all part of the SC. So I guess, alls fair. I much prefer the World News thread where it seems Panama Hat holds the record for posts deleted by the mods, without my complaining to them, by the way.

If any of you could actually have a civil debate without flaming or infantile tactics, I would have a much higher interest level.

[AntRobertson]

If any of you could actually have a civil debate without flaming or infantile tactics, I would have a much higher interest level.

Yeah, calling everyone fucktards is an automatic dismount from that high-horse. Good luck trying to clamber back into the saddle though. I'm just going to go ahead and proceed on the basis that you had no coherent or logically valid response to my comments so resorted to dumb name-calling.

Anyway - apropos of the non-fucktards comments - but it has just occurred to me that there is gun control in my country and the only terrorist attack that has ever occurred on our soil was committed by the French, an ally.

I think that's irony.

[rickschoppers]

You missed my point Ant. This is the SC, so anything goes. No chance of civil debate in this venue. Try one that limits personal attacks. If I am attacked, I attack back in the SC. sorry for your confusion.

Have patience Ant, your country will have its turn in the grinder.

[Norton]

Well I have learned namecalling and personal attacks are all part of the SC

Shouldn't be. Members and mods need to clean it up or shitcan the forum. A waste of bandwidth. Posts mostly a succesion of pedantic bickering and one ups manship.

"Speakers Corner Air your opinion on current world affairs. A forum for civil discussion and exchange of ideas. No flaming or abuse allowed. All posts should include your opinion on the subject, not your opinion of the member posting."

[harrybarracuda]

What a bunch of fucktards. None of you really have a clue, do you? Oh, and this is the Speakers Corner so we can really say what we mean. I pitty all those who have been so defensive of their unarmed countries. Sure makes attacks like that in France much easier. We shall see where and how the next terrorist shootings take place.

Considering the topic of this thread Buriboy, you have a point. But what happens next in Europe where they are essentially unarmed?

Oh OK, so we can say what we like, cool:

Honestly, you gun toting pricks are fucking clueless aren't you?

You all fancy yourselves as hard men because you have a firearm.

If it wasn't for the fact that most of you are complete fucking retards, you might have an argument.

You watch too much Walker: Texas Ranger, you witless twat.

Houston police say that an armed man’s attempt to stop a carjacking went terribly wrong on Saturday night when he shot the vehicle’s owner in the head, then fled the scene.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/texas-good-guy-with-a-gun-shoots-carjacking-victim-in-head-then-runs-away/


Moral of the story: If you want to be a policeman or a soldier, join the fucking police or the army.

And no I don't care what you did when you were young, it doesn't fucking matter.

You're not a policeman or a soldier now, so stop trying to pretend you can do their job.

[rickschoppers]

Yes Norton and I agree with you. It seems tat is not what hose in pkwer want. So be it.

[rickschoppers]

What a bunch of fucktards. None of you really have a clue, do you? Oh, and this is the Speakers Corner so we can really say what we mean. I pitty all those who have been so defensive of their unarmed countries. Sure makes attacks like that in France much easier. We shall see where and how the next terrorist shootings take place.

Considering the topic of this thread Buriboy, you have a point. But what happens next in Europe where they are essentially unarmed?

Oh OK, so we can say what we like, cool:

Honestly, you gun toting pricks are fucking clueless aren't you?

You all fancy yourselves as hard men because you have a firearm.

If it wasn't for the fact that most of you are complete fucking retards, you might have an argument.

You watch too much Walker: Texas Ranger, you witless twat.

Houston police say that an armed man’s attempt to stop a carjacking went terribly wrong on Saturday night when he shot the vehicle’s owner in the head, then fled the scene.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/texas-good-guy-with-a-gun-shoots-carjacking-victim-in-head-then-runs-away/


Moral of the story: If you want to be a policeman or a soldier, join the fucking police or the army.

And no I don't care what you did when you were young, it doesn't fucking matter.

You're not a policeman or a soldier now, so stop trying to pretend you can do their job.

I rest my case. Fuck off Harry and the pig you rode in on.

[AntRobertson]

You missed my point Ant. This is the SC, so anything goes. No chance of civil debate in this venue. Try one that limits personal attacks. If I am attacked, I attack back in the SC. sorry for your confusion.

That's not correct there's a whole list of rules for SC. Besides I never attacked you, I made a perfectly civil post.

Have patience Ant, your country will have its turn in the grinder.

[harrybarracuda]

You missed my point Ant. This is the SC, so anything goes. No chance of civil debate in this venue. Try one that limits personal attacks. If I am attacked, I attack back in the SC. sorry for your confusion.

That's not correct there's a whole list of rules for SC. Besides I never attacked you, I made a perfectly civil post.

Have patience Ant, your country will have its turn in the grinder.

OK, so we know he uses an app.

[harrybarracuda]

Yes Norton and I agree with you. It seems tat is not what hose in pkwer want. So be it.

It seems that you've been drinking.

Yet more reason not to allow you access to firearms, what with your mental condition and all.

[AntRobertson]

^^It took me a couple of beats... But I just got that!

Edit: by got that I mean the joke, not the app!!

[Storekeeper]

If anybody is interested I could post up some pics of the guns I want to buy one of these days.

I'm going to need a revolver, a shotgun, a rifle ...

Probably go with a 1911 for the handgun. And being a humble type I'll go with the concealed vice open carry permit.

For my shotgun will most likely go with a Mossberg 12 gauge. Will probably need two shotguns as one will be for trap and skeet shooting

Hands down going with a Cooper model 30-06 for the rifle.

Don't know much about semi automatic weapons but interested in recommendations.