Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

I like Vladimir's new sunnies.

Looks like Donald Trump's baseball hat in the reflection.

Shut up looper you fvcking idiot.

Are you not a trump fan Dapper?

Vladimir thinks the Donald is a shoe-in.

Originally Posted by Looper

Are you not a trump fan Dapper?
Vladimir thinks the Donald is a shoe-in.

I'm a huge Vlad fan. I think he has "one upped" the Trump-Meister.

Have you seen the 31-year-old former Olympic gymnast that will become his next wife ? Yowza , I believe she has given birth to his child. (Mumms the word.)

Yes indeed. The sly old dog kept that hidden under his bushell for as long as he could.

Lyudmilla got the heave-ho



They say Vlad walks funny since he used to be a KGB gun-slinger but actually he is trying to conceal the boner he is packing for his young gymnast Miss Kabayeva

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

what area of the Emerald City do you call home ?

Wallingford.

Nice, your avatar looked more early 20's Ballard...or earlier Sin City / White Ctr...
Glad to read Hawks into playoffs.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Originally Posted by Neverna

Most of that "sunni" area is sparsely populated desert.



Here's a population density map of Syria.

Neverna, who have dared to go where many do not - presenting logic into the discussion on TeakDoor. For that I sincerely salute you.

The only problem is the current relevance of the data you presented above.

Read the fine print.
The map is based on a 1989 population estimate based on census data from 1981 ; therefore , today's facts might vary significantly from the census data taken 34 years ago.
What are your thoughts ?

Good catch, Pee Coffee. I did not notice that, but I do suspect the desert is still pretty much desert (at least it was when I was there less that 20 years ago). Of course, I am sure much has changed in Syria in the last 4 years and I doubt accurate stats are available (but by all means surprise me )

Originally Posted by Looper

Are you not a trump fan Dapper?

Vladimir thinks the Donald is a shoe-in.

Bollocks.
No doubt vlad sees him for what he is.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by Looper

Vladimir thinks the Donald is a shoe-in.

Allegedly the LORD's remark on an Ameristan presidential candidate. Are you suggesting the LORD is lying?

"“He is a very flamboyant man, very talented, no doubt about that... He is the absolute leader of the presidential race, as we see it today. He says that he wants to move to another level of relations, to a deeper level of relations with Russia. How can we not welcome that? Of course we welcome it,” Putin said."

Polling graphs can of course lie, but the link to Real Clear data suggests, to me, that Mr Trump is winning.

The nomination, yes.

But as a Presidential candidate he would be an absolute disaster, and the GOP knows it.

Originally Posted by longway

The Syrian civil war is the result of a multi decade effort to destroy the regime.

Are you suggesting that Ameristan's hands are covered in Syrian and Iraqi civilian's blood and the attacks on European society by the terrorists are being caused by the Ameristan controlled terrorist agencies then?

Originally Posted by Dapper

No doubt vlad sees him for what he is.

A fellow ass pirate.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by longway

The Syrian civil war is the result of a multi decade effort to destroy the regime.

Are you suggesting that Ameristan's hands are covered in Syrian and Iraqi civilian's blood and the attacks on European society by the terrorists are being caused by the Ameristan controlled terrorist agencies then?

Strategic or stupid. I don't know which, decisions meant that groups like isis are allowed to grow, I don't think western governments order terrorists to attack USA and Europe, but they certainly assisted and sometimes funded and armed groups like isis that carry out these attacks.

Originally Posted by longway

The Syrian civil war is the result of a multi decade effort to destroy the regime.

Is it bollocks, it is a direct result of the Arab spring in Tunisia and Assad's failure to realise he could not keep the lid on the bottle like his dad did when he murdered 30,000 men, women and children in Hama.

It even started because some kids painted some Arab spring slogans they'd seen on TV from Tunisia, and the local police arrested and tortured them for it.

Which is not to say that interference from the GCC, the West and Russia hasn't exacerbated the problem, but just be clear: They did not start it.

More importantly Assad could have nipped it in the bud like Jordan and Tunisia did.

But unfortunately the acorn rarely falls far from the tree, and because his dad kept things quiet by massacring 30,000 people, he obviously thought that would work for him.

Yeah, got that fucking wrong didn't he.

When a whole country has seen a revolution work live on TV, you cannot keep the genie in the bottle.

It's only a matter of time for North Korea.

From a leaked US-UK intelligence file

"In order to facilitate the action of liberative [sic] forces... a special effort should be made to eliminate certain key individuals [and] to proceed with internal disturbances in Syria. CIA is prepared, and SIS (MI6) will attempt to mount minor sabotage and coup de main [sic] incidents within Syria, working through contacts with individuals... a necessary degree of fear... frontier and [staged] border clashes [will] provide a pretext for intervention... the CIA and SIS should use... capabilities in both psychological and action fields to augment tension."

When do you think this was written, 2010? 2011? 2012? No, it was written in 1957.

From Pol Pot to ISIS: The blood never dried

In 1982 there was the Hama insurrection by the muslim brotherhood, supported by the USA, Israel and west germany for many reasons, and it was probably this memory in mind that that Assad over-reacted and killed so many people.

You might be right that what happened in syria was something to do with the 'arab spring' or just as likely its just something we have been fed; but its without a doubt that western allied countries have been trying to topple assad and destabilise syria for decades and they have been supporting ISIS over the past few years.

Still making it up as you go along Harry
You're starting to make blue look clued up.

Originally Posted by longway

Why not? The syrian regime is hostile to Israel and aligned with Iran. Why should a weak sunni state tearing itself to pieces or descending into medieval barbarism be of any disadvantage to Israel? It would make a great excuse to make further land grabs in the name of 'security'

Its all mere coincidence then?

In order for there to be a coincidence, at least two things have to coincide.

Israel had a de facto peace agreement with Israel; Syria have never made any serious attempt to reclaim the occupied Golan Heights. In fact Syria has been supplying water to the Golan Heights for decades.

You're correct in that right now Israel aren't too worried because Hezbollah's attention is on Syria .

What I'm talking is what might come later.

Had the moderates been in play early on, a stable and probably accessible, inclusive government would have been on the cards, but that train has long left the station.

But now realistically we're looking at a Muslim state that won't take long to descend into a hardline Sunni theocracy. They might then want their land back as a point of principle.

Dumas, "Top British Officials Confessed to Syria War Plans Two Years b | nsnbc international

The former French Minister of Foreign Affairs appeared in aTV interview with the French TV Channel LPC, saying:

“I am going to tell you something. I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business. I met with top British officials, who confessed to me, that they were preparing something in Syria”.

This was also in the previous link. Perhaps he is lying, but the pieces do fit together rather well.

I don't actually see what you are implying the "bits" are, let alone how they fit together.

And "preparing something in Syria" sounds to me like the sort of thing some Anglophobe might mutter to his mate while tapping his nose.

In actual fact, after reading this:

In an interview with the French TV station LCP, former French minister for Foreign Affairs Roland Dumas said:

‘’ I’m going to tell you something. I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business. I met with top British officials, who confessed to me that they were preparing something in Syria.

This was in Britain not in America. Britain was organizing an invasion of rebels into Syria. They even asked me, although I was no longer minister for foreign affairs, if I would like to participate.

Naturally, I refused, I said I’m French, that doesn’t interest me.’’

I call complete narcissistic bollocks.

Originally Posted by Neo

Still making it up as you go along Harry
You're starting to make blue look clued up.

Neo, you've already shown, by your wild claim that current oil demand exceeds supply, that you're out of your depth on grown up topics.

Run long now, sonny, go and play outside.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by longway

Why not? The syrian regime is hostile to Israel and aligned with Iran. Why should a weak sunni state tearing itself to pieces or descending into medieval barbarism be of any disadvantage to Israel? It would make a great excuse to make further land grabs in the name of 'security'

Its all mere coincidence then?

In order for there to be a coincidence, at least two things have to coincide.

Israel had a de facto peace agreement with Israel; Syria have never made any serious attempt to reclaim the occupied Golan Heights. In fact Syria has been supplying water to the Golan Heights for decades.

You're correct in that right now Israel aren't too worried because Hezbollah's attention is on Syria .

What I'm talking is what might come later.

Had the moderates been in play early on, a stable and probably accessible, inclusive government would have been on the cards, but that train has long left the station.

But now realistically we're looking at a Muslim state that won't take long to descend into a hardline Sunni theocracy. They might then want their land back as a point of principle.

Dumas, "Top British Officials Confessed to Syria War Plans Two Years b | nsnbc international

The former French Minister of Foreign Affairs appeared in aTV interview with the French TV Channel LPC, saying:

“I am going to tell you something. I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business. I met with top British officials, who confessed to me, that they were preparing something in Syria”.

This was also in the previous link. Perhaps he is lying, but the pieces do fit together rather well.

I don't actually see what you are implying the "bits" are, let alone how they fit together.

And "preparing something in Syria" sounds to me like the sort of thing some Anglophobe might mutter to his mate while tapping his nose.

In actual fact, after reading this:

In an interview with the French TV station LCP, former French minister for Foreign Affairs Roland Dumas said:

‘’ I’m going to tell you something. I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business. I met with top British officials, who confessed to me that they were preparing something in Syria.

This was in Britain not in America. Britain was organizing an invasion of rebels into Syria. They even asked me, although I was no longer minister for foreign affairs, if I would like to participate.

Naturally, I refused, I said I’m French, that doesn’t interest me.’’

I call complete narcissistic bollocks.

The stuff about syria supplying water to the golan heights is nonsense. The golan heights supplies israel with water. The golan heights are essential to the prestige of the syrian regime; i really dont know where your ideas from, i think perhaps you are just making it up as you go along; so im not going to bite any more after this post.

The coincidence is that western allies have been trying to destabilise Syria for decades using the same tactics that caused the civil war, ie insert foreign elements to forment and cause dissent and goad the regime into an over-reaction that will trigger a war, and that is exactly what has happened. There was no chance of any kind of moderate stable government as the extremists got inolved immediately and they are the only militarily effective force against assad, the idea that a bunch of farmers could take on the regime is a fantasy. He killed alot of people there was no chance of any kind of peaceful settlement; if assad fell it would have been a blood bath anyway.

About the french guy, well it would be unbelievable without context, but when you look at the history, it just fits the pattern of decades of western interference.