Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

Originally Posted by Barty

Interesting chat with Putin.

Vladimir Putin Tells Everyone Exactly Who Created ISIS

snub won't watch it in case he agrees with Putin

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Its all out there and been posted so many times on here that there is really no point.

snub is the villiage idiot, don't forget he is american, and conservative

Oh dear, fu*kin euroshite, who saved you? Perhaps you didn't need saving, perhaps nuking you would have been better. At least there would not be this eurozone financial crisis messing up the market. Watch Bloomberg, man. We laugh at europeans.

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

who saved you?

Originally Posted by Neo

Get your facts right snub

Ya because Wikipedia is a bastion of facts (that can be changed at anytime by anyone).

Originally Posted by Neo

snub won't watch it in case he agrees with Putin

I agree with a number of points he made in that clip. With regards to IS I have stated in the past that it is because of the US that they exist at all however there is no credible evidence to back OhOhs claims that the US is training and equipping IS. That is just hogwash and he has never been able to provide credible proof.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Neo

Get your facts right snub

Ya because Wikipedia is a bastion of facts (that can be changed at anytime by anyone).

Originally Posted by Neo

snub won't watch it in case he agrees with Putin

I agree with a number of points he made in that clip. With regards to IS I have stated in the past that it is because of the US that they exist at all however there is no credible evidence to back OhOhs claims that the US is training and equipping IS. That is just hogwash and he has never been able to provide credible proof.

He probably wouldn't look quite so ridiculous if he stated that IS are using US-supplied weapons, even if that is only because they nicked them off the Iraqis or the FSA.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by bsnub

That is just hogwash and he has never been able to provide credible proof.

The tpyes and amounts of weapons the Syrian terrorists are using/being supplied with are known to be of US supply either directly as the Americans have said or through third parties supplied by the Americans.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

they nicked them off the Iraqis or the FSA

I wonder who told the Iraqi army to run for home! Their masters, the crusader coalition, certainly didn't help them well enough for a victory. Just enough to keep the sheeple onside. But of course to you both this is all hearsay.

C'est la vie.

To anyone it's hearsay.

You can't provide a shred of proof to the contrary.

And yet the Iraqi army running for their lives at the first sign of trouble, from places like Ramadi, and leaving everything behind, has been well documented. So has the IS attack on on the Idris compound that captured two warehouses belonging to the FSA.

It just suits your tin foil narrative more to put a bit of hilarious spin on it.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It just suits your tin foil narrative more to put a bit of hilarious spin on it.

Bingo!

^ Semantics.

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ Semantics.

Eh? Where's the semantics?

You two are arguing about quotes from a wiki page. You tried to dismiss Neo's post by saying ...

Originally Posted by bsnub

Ya because Wikipedia is a bastion of facts (that can be changed at anytime by anyone).

While it may be the case that wiki pages can be changed, the sources are there for you to check for yourself. So you can now read and either accept or dismiss the stats from the US Department of Defense and the US Department of Labor (not wiki). Up to you.

1. http://www.defense.gov/
2. U.S. Department of Labor - Office of Workers' Compensation Programs (OWCP) - Division of Longshore and Harbor Workers' Compensation (DLHWC) -

Originally Posted by Neverna

While it may be the case that wiki pages can be changed, the sources are there for you to check for yourself. So you can now read and either accept or dismiss the stats from the US Department of Defense and the US Department of Labor (not wiki). Up to you.

I wonder which he will choose to do...

Dear Nev, do you actually understand what these web sites say? Related to this thread. Browse further than front page. But you are absolutely correct saying "wiki pages can be changed", kudos. Have a flower.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ Semantics.

Eh? Where's the semantics?

You two are arguing about quotes from a wiki page. You tried to dismiss Neo's post by saying ...

Originally Posted by bsnub

Ya because Wikipedia is a bastion of facts (that can be changed at anytime by anyone).

While it may be the case that wiki pages can be changed, the sources are there for you to check for yourself. So you can now read and either accept or dismiss the stats from the US Department of Defense and the US Department of Labor (not wiki). Up to you.

1. United States Department of Defense
2. U.S. Department of Labor - Office of Workers' Compensation Programs (OWCP) - Division of Longshore and Harbor Workers' Compensation (DLHWC) -

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by Neverna

While it may be the case that wiki pages can be changed, the sources are there for you to check for yourself. So you can now read and either accept or dismiss the stats from the US Department of Defense and the US Department of Labor (not wiki). Up to you.

I wonder which he will choose to do...

Probably not even read them.

Might be better to quote the original sources rather than Wikipedia; generally they can't be altered.

^ Yes. Indeed.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

who saved you?

US and UK and Allied units from AUS, NZ and other places, get your point though, russians raped some to-be east German girls and Polish, Estonians etc Fast forward, your side lost when Maggie and Reagan destroyed your world. End of.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Ya because Wikipedia is a bastion of facts (that can be changed at anytime by anyone)

Originally Posted by Neverna

For the quote Neo posted in post 1850, the sources are given as:

1. Defenselink Casualty Report: http://www.defense.gov/casualty.pdf
2. Syracuse.com: Iraq/Afghanistan military casualties update | syracuse.com

The first one is from the US Department of Defense (official figures?)

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ Semantics.

You're full of shit (TM)

As for Wikipedia, once a great source of information, now ruined by corrupt euro politicans. This is fokin unreal. Freedoms of criminals are priority in EU.

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Syria and world await Putin's reaction to apparent bombing of Russian jet

...If the Metrojet crash is indeed shown to be the work of terrorists, then it will pose a new dilemma for Putin. Does he double down on the Syria operations, or instead make a push for the negotiating table holding the hand he currently has?

Washington believes Putin has already bitten off more than he can chew in Syria, and the US government has opted for a “watch them fail” policy, in the hope it will bring about Moscow’s acceptance that Bashar al-Assad must step down as part of any political transition, a senior US official told the Guardian.

“This is the first time they have actually done active combat air support to ground operations, and they overestimated how effective those air operations can be,” the official said. “If you don’t train together, it’s really complex to coordinate air and ground operations. That’s why we think they made a strategic error. They overestimated the capabilities of the Syrian military and they underestimated what an unbelievable mess Syria is.”

In Moscow, some believe Putin’s initial move was largely borne of opportunism, with the Russian leader noting the ineffectiveness of western policy in Syria and seeing a chance to change the discussion and make Russia’s voice heard, as well as distract attention from events in Ukraine.

“Putin is certainly not a strategist, he is a tactician, and the whole history of his rule has shown this. His goals have changed all the time,” said Mikhail Zygar, editor-in-chief of independent Russian TV station Rain, who has just released a book on Putin and his inner circle.

However, a number of sources in Moscow say Putin’s stated aim, of defeating Islamic State terrorists, should not be ignored, and is likely to be the primary motivation for the intervention, even if the majority of airstrikes have been against non-Isis targets.

“I think the main reason is a real worry about the potential for Isis to pose a threat to Russia in the near future,” said one political insider who knows Putin personally, speaking prior to the Metrojet crash. “We are a lot closer to the region than America is, and we are not as good at defending our borders. Of course, it’s about lots of other things too, including the need to move on the conversation from Ukraine, but I firmly believe this is the main reason.”

Syria and world await Putin's reaction to apparent bombing of Russian jet

We need to save Assad, for the future of Syria

Hasn't.the black box data for the Russian jet been released yet?

A report last night said they are analyzing it now. It was reported that some felt they heard a blast at the end of the tape, but I don't think anybody knows anything for sure, at least something they will share publicly.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

a bit of hilarious spin

Originally Posted by bsnub

Bingo!

It's a fair cop Guvnr. You won't get anyfing from me tho.

One of my father's favourite singers:

"Yes, there were times, I'm sure you knew
When I bit off more than I could chew.
But through it all, when there was doubt,
I ate it up and spit it out.
I faced it all and I stood tall;
And did it my way."

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ Semantics.

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Might be better to quote the original sources

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

has been well documented.

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