Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Bush just had the distinction to be an insult to intelligence.

Really? Well how many 0's are on your bank statement? Besides at least Bush signed treaties with the Euro's to provide them protection from an expansionist Russia post Georgia and Obama nixed those deals to appease Russia and now look where it is?

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Obama nixed those deals to appease Russia and now look where it is?

So you are claiming that Obama dissolved NATO?

Originally Posted by Rainfall

the black liar

Obama the black liar? You german are not entitled to call him that.

Funny thing is that you'd love to have Putin for president in place of the "black liar".
I don't support Obama politically, but against you euros and russians (united now) I will support him. He is not a 'black liar' he is The President of United States and I will support him for that. Air Force One leaving european aispace, threat, RAF destablised euros, have a good journey. FU eur

A link to a very plausible scenario and potential outcomes.

Michael Hudson: The New Cold War

Originally Posted by OhOh

We, yes including the German, of the Free Socialist Union of Teak Door have written into our terms and conditions of acceptance to the said Union, see section 24 clause J, to pass comment on any piece of horse shit posted.

See section 38a, clauses C, E. Subclause 14 provides for freedom of speech and release of torrent species for humanitarian reasons. Subclause 15 denies communism and national socialism. Can't believe you haven't learned this at school!

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ Its going to take more than Putin to kill the US dollar and I bet dimes to dollars that China wont follow through with this. If it is even true at all.

Planet Ponzi ‏@PlanetPonzi · 3m
#Gazprom Signs $400 Billion #China Gas Supply Deal. Blow to #USD reserve currency status & #Obama, #EU sanctions

Russia And China Finally Sign $400 Billion "Holy Grail" Gas Deal

There was some trepidation yesterday when after the first day of Putin's visit to China the two countries did not announce the completion of the long-awaited "holy grail" gas dead, and fears that it may get scuttled over price negotiations. It wasn't: moments ago Russia's Gazprom and China's CNPC announced, that after a decade of negotiations, the two nations signed a 30 year gas contract amounting to around $400 billion. And with the west doing all it can to alienate Russia and to force it into China's embrace, this is merely the beginning of what will be a far closer commercial (and political) relationship between China and Russia.

So far there have been no public pricing details on the deal which accrording to Gazprom CEO Aleksey Miller is a "commercial secret", and which is believed to involve Russia supplying 38 billion cubic metres of gas per year to China via a new eastern pipeline linking the countries.

According to Itar-Tass, the compromise between Russian gas export monopoly Gazprom and Chinese National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) on Russian gas price is estimated at $75 billion, citing the Deputy Head of the National Energy Security Fund Alexei Grivach. The differences on the price for 38 and 60 billion cubic meters supplies a year were $1.5 billion and $2.5 billion, he added, so the subject of the negotiations is quite a significant one.

Gazprom expected a base price of $400 for 1,000 cubic meters, an expert of the Eurasian Development Research Center of the Chinese State Council said in April, whereas the CNPC’s proposal was $350-360 for 1,000 cubic meters.

More details from RT:


A memorandum of understanding was signed in the presence of Russian President Vladimir Putin and President of China Xi Jinping on the second day of Putin’s two-day state visit to Shanghai. The price China will pay for Russian gas remains a "commercial secret" according to Gazprom CEO Aleksey Miller. Gas will be delivered to China's via the eastern 'Power of Siberia' pipeline.



RT producers were informed of the landmark energy deal prior to its signing after a conversation with Miller.



Under the long-term deal, Gazprom will begin providing China's growing economy with 38 billion cubic meters of natural gas per year for the next 30 years, beginning in 2018. The details of the deal were discussed for more than 10 years, with Moscow and Beijing negotiating over gas prices and the pipeline route, as well as possible Chinese stakes in Russian projects.



Just ahead of Putin's visit to Shanghai, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev gave reassurance that the agreed price would be fair.



“One side always wants to sell for a higher price, while the other wants to buy for a lower price,” Medvedev said. “I believe that in the long run, the price will be fair and totally comparable to the price of European supplies.”



A major breakthrough in negotiations came on Sunday as Gazprom chief Aleksey Miller sat down with his CNPC counterpart, Zhou Jiping, in Beijing to discuss final details, including price formulas.



Although Europe is still Russia's largest energy market – buying more than 160 billion cubic meters of Russian natural gas in 2013 – Moscow will use every opportunity to diversify gas deliveries and boost its presence in Asian markets.



“I wouldn’t look for politics behind this, but I have no doubt that supplying energy to the Asia Pacific Region holds out a great promise in the future,” Medvedev said.



In October 2009, Gazprom and CNPC inked a framework agreement for the Altai project which envisions building a pipeline to supply natural gas from fields in Siberia via the western part of the Russia-China border.



In March 2013, Gazprom and CNPC signed a memorandum of understanding on Russian gas supplies to China along the so-called eastern 'Power of Siberia' route. When both pipelines are activated, Russia can supply Asia with 68 billion cubic meters of gas annually.

Last year, China consumed about 170 billion cubic meters of natural gas and is expected to consume 420 billion cubic meters per year by 2020.

Regardless of what the final price ended up being, and whether or not China got the upper hand in the negotiations, the final outcome is there and it is real: as a result of his disastrous foreign policy in the past two months, Barack Obama finally pushed Russia into China's hands, culminating with a deal that was ten years in the making and was never certain, until the Ukraine crisis.

Russia And China Finally Sign $400 Billion "Holy Grail" Gas Deal | Zero Hedge

as a result of his disastrous foreign policy in the past two months, Barack Obama finally pushed Russia into China's hands, culminating with a deal that was ten years in the making and was never certain, until the Ukraine crisis.

Stretching credibility to say that a deal 'ten years in the making' has been suddenly sealed because of Obama's policy over the last few months.

Why not negotiate for ten more years, why conclude the deal right now?

Originally Posted by cyrille

as a result of his disastrous foreign policy in the past two months, Barack Obama finally pushed Russia into China's hands, culminating with a deal that was ten years in the making and was never certain, until the Ukraine crisis.

Stretching credibility to say that a deal 'ten years in the making' has been suddenly sealed because of Obama's policy over the last few months.

Big chance to change the global power structure. American policy makers (not the American people) have taken the piss for so long - time to go to the back of the queue. And if the bent American policy makers want to fight and not accept this? - hopefully they will be over run from within - rather than get slaughtered on mass in WW3.

Americans should take back their country and run freely with the best again.

Methinx Putin is now a very, very rich man.

Originally Posted by Kurgen

Methinx Putin is now a very, very rich man.

Methinx Putin has been a fvcking rich man for a fvcking long time already

Putin is the man, they are all talking about him since the G7 and are all fighting to meet him tonight

Russia seems to be winning the Gas Supply/Pipeline war.

"HOW TO GET POWER?
In this sense, it is clear that Russian efforts are well coordinated and balanced. They are a good mix of long-term and short-term measures. More importantly, national authorities’ messages are completely backed by companies. This seems the recipe for success. Germany and Turkey know it as well. Coherent and consistent decisions pay out. It is just a matter of time. Russia, Germany and Turkey are set to further increase their clout in Europe."


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European natural gas market wrap-up for Week 22

Putin has a certain shine and a certain respect here in Europe,

I guess 80% support from your population gives you wings,

unlike our miserable politicians,

I wouldn't look at Putin as some sorta knight, black or white, just yet.

He looked decidedly strained after his Great Deal with China. And not really surprising is it? China knew it had him over a barrel, so to speak, so I'm sure they 'negotiated' a great deal, for China.


Putin's play, methinks, now goes something like this;

Enable plenty shit in eastern Ukraine. After a while sound conciliatory, pull the plug on the morons in eastern Ukraine - letting them fry - and make the Great Western Pussies so relieved that they have no choice but to 'forget' about Crimea. Everybody, sorta, wins.

The EU and NATO are really stirring the shit with the help of Kerry,

that EU foreign diplomat, Baroness something, seems to be over her head and should resign immediately for being such a clueless woman

Nobody's always right, and nobody's always wrong. If you always find yourself denigrating one side you're probably an idiot.

sorry to say but that's BS,

over time that might be true, but periodically, there is a right and wrong side, it simply swings from one group to the other

in this day and age, the US is the monster

Originally Posted by FlyFree

I'm sure they 'negotiated' a great deal, for China.

A few billion every year in exports all adds up for any country. Still it will boost their trade surplus, unlike the western economies.

Originally Posted by FlyFree

they have no choice but to 'forget' about Crimea.

Putin, and the rest of the world, I am sure would love it if the western governments would forget about invading, dropping bombs, murdering civilians all over the world. Unfortunately it is the western way kill and maim until they are "back in the stoneage".

Originally Posted by Butterfly

in this day and age, the US is the monster

hey, it's not just the US, there are many willing allied governments in the western world who follow along.