Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

I added the pinup in a subsequent edit. :-)

Honestly no one would win that war it would be a loss for everyone.. With 2 young sons I can't even allow myself to consider it..

Originally Posted by RPETER65

This Hawkar guy is an idiot if he thinks Russia has the financial reserves to win a war against the U.S., considering Putin woild not only be facing the U.S

...you forgot to add though that the US would not only be facing the Russians....


FB is right though - no winners in that war aside from the bankers and large corporations with whom all the war money would be spent with.

Wouldn't it be amusing though if, in response to the bugging and spying of her phone, Merkel was simply playing along with obomba, and then suddenly revealed a trade plan with Russia, bringing with them the other BRICS nations, who through their refusal to knowledge the sanctions on Iran, could bring Iran in as well, along with the mightily peeved at the US, Venezuela, and start trading everything, including oil in Euro, and Euro only. Now that would be something - quite a coup d'etat on the world.

(It would mean a US invasion into Europe though ... for Democracy and Peace, of course)

Originally Posted by pseudolus

you forgot to add though that the US would not only be facing the Russians....

It wont be China if that's what you are insinuating. China needs the US more then it needs Russia.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Wouldn't it be amusing though if, in response to the bugging and spying of her phone, Merkel was simply playing along with obomba, and then suddenly revealed a trade plan with Russia, bringing with them the other BRICS nations, who through their refusal to knowledge the sanctions on Iran, could bring Iran in as well, along with the mightily peeved at the US, Venezuela, and start trading everything, including oil in Euro, and Euro only.

Pure fantasy that would never happen. Not in a million years son not even worse discussing.

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

The Nazis lost WWII because they bit off more than they could chew. Operation Barbarossa was a huge mistake but even worse was the Japanese bringing the USA into the war just a few months later.

I can just imagine Hitler, with troops storming through Russia, learning of Pearl Harbour and crying " W-T-F !!?? "


As for the Dollar. It is certain to continue losing value as currency devaluation is one way countries try to escape debt, but there really isn't another currency to replace it that doesn't have the same problems or worse. As a reserve currency I believe we are stuck with it, but as an investment it is lousy.

Putin? He's a pussy compared with Stalin, but he's got the better of Obama. Like that is difficult..... He does have some interesting hobbies though:

Wrong on the "no choice " front as far as the $ goes.

The Euro is used by more people then the $.

The Eurozone is China's biggest trading partner (not the US)

The ECB is the first non nation state central bank.

The Eurozone has more gold then the US. Basically, the Euro was created to replace the $.

Originally Posted by bsnub

China needs the US more then it needs Russia.

Jing lor?

Originally Posted by Hawker

The Eurozone is China's biggest trading partner (not the US)

This is why the US is desperately encircling China as fast as they can. Notice how aggressive they are being with the all but useless islands the Japan and China are having a tiff over? I wonder what lies beneath?

Originally Posted by bsnub

Pure fantasy that would never happen. Not in a million years son not even worse discussing.

Worst nightmare, really, as the US starts asking the Mexicans for charity contributions. Could happen though - after all, these is a reason that the EU are putting the breaks a little on the more blood thirsty voices emanating from the US in relation to Ukraine. The EU would also get access to the Afghan minerals as well, which would be a huge boost.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Worst nightmare, really, as the US starts asking the Mexicans for charity contributions. Could happen though - after all, these is a reason that the EU are putting the breaks a little on the more blood thirsty voices emanating from the US in relation to Ukraine.

That is so far out in tinfoil hat land I am not going to respond to it. It just wont happen.

With regards to China I personally think that a global crisis/conflict pitting the US against China would be beneficial to the US as long as it doesn't go nuclear. The US would write off its debt to China and the cease importing goods from China. Overnight it would rebuild Americas domestic manufacturing base as all those cheap goods would have to be manufactured domestically.

Originally Posted by bsnub

With regards to China I personally think that a global crisis/conflict pitting the US against China would be beneficial to the US as long as it doesn't go nuclear. The US would write of its debt to China and the cease importing goods from China. Overnight it would rebuild Americas domestic manufacturing base as all those cheap goods would have to be manufactured domestically.

Well bugger me - you have these types of thoughts, willing the death and maiming of what would be millions of people, just to rebuild Americas crippled economy, mostly brought about by people with exactly these thoughts, who are running America.

You bleat about "tin foil hat's" rejecting the notion that all of these actions come about because there are people who put profit before life, and yet here you are saying exactly the same as if it would be a good thing.

For shame. I would be cheering on China.

Originally Posted by Hawker

Wrong on the "no choice " front as far as the $ goes.

The Euro is used by more people then the $.

The Eurozone is China's biggest trading partner (not the US)

The ECB is the first non nation state central bank.

The Eurozone has more gold then the US. Basically, the Euro was created to replace the $.

The Eurozone does not have political union and as such each country is still competing with its neighbours.

Give it another two hundred years and you might be onto something, provided they don't start fighting over who is responsible for which deficit in which country.

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

Originally Posted by Hawker

Wrong on the "no choice " front as far as the $ goes.

The Euro is used by more people then the $.

The Eurozone is China's biggest trading partner (not the US)

The ECB is the first non nation state central bank.

The Eurozone has more gold then the US. Basically, the Euro was created to replace the $.

The Eurozone does not have political union and as such each country is still competing with its neighbours.

Give it another two hundred years and you might be onto something, provided they don't start fighting over who is responsible for which deficit in which country.

This.............. Not to mention Britain isn't even part of the Eurozone so how do you think that's going to work out?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Well bugger me - you have these types of thoughts willing the death and maiming of what would be millions of people

Originally Posted by pseudolus

You bleat about "tin foil hat's" rejecting the notion that all of these actions come about because there are people who put profit before life, and yet here you are saying exactly the same as if it would be a good thing.

Not at all I despise war. I was just making an observation. I want to dismantle the corrupt money machine behind it at all costs. I am fully aware that America has been led down the wrong path for far too long.

Originally Posted by bsnub

I am fully aware that America has been led down the wrong path for far too long.

You were warned in 1961

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

Originally Posted by bsnub

I am fully aware that America has been led down the wrong path for far too long.

You were warned in 1961

Indeed. A very poignant speech.

back to topic,

silly Americans are now telling the French government not to deliver the war ships Russia ordered from France

Where is DeGaulles when we need him ? Holland is such a weak pussy, he will probably comply without objections.

if we want a strong independent Europe, we need a strong Russia

this is the only against the threats of the US and China,

Originally Posted by Hawker

The Euro is used by more people then the $.

Number of people does not matter. Value of transactions matter. Although I find this argument in itself highly debatable.

Originally Posted by Hawker

The Eurozone is China's biggest trading partner (not the US)

China sells to europe like US. Not really like a "partnership" is it. Chinese are smart and they will not side with dying continent when the time comes.

Originally Posted by Hawker

The ECB is the first non nation state central bank.

ECB is euro ultranationalist fantasy. Mad Super Mario bought time for euro currency by saying they will do Everything to save the currency, this is why euro currency trades high totally iignoring economic situation. They actually promised to fight to the last cent and penny of european wealth to protect the currency. Madness.

Originally Posted by Hawker

The Eurozone has more gold then the US.

Not important.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

silly Americans are now telling the French government

And you do what you are told to do, do you not? This is the reality. You can cry.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Holland is such a weak pussy

The Netherlands has more backbone than rest of your central europe put together.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

if we want a strong independent Europe, we need a strong Russia

Now why would we need strong independent "europe"? European countries are... were strong on their own with their own values. You do mean strong EU as a political construct?

Where does Russia come into this equation? You wanted Red Army to go all the way to Paris?

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

The Netherlands has more backbone than rest of your central europe put together.

Damn!

Ironically though, while a bit off topic but not too far as it all ties in, I just saw an article mention of the country of Holland (can't confirm the country at the mo) is having a rethink of it's social welfare programs costing them too much.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

back to topic,

silly Americans are now telling the French government not to deliver the war ships Russia ordered from France

Where is DeGaulles when we need him ? Holland is such a weak pussy, he will probably comply without objections.

The concept of "allies" completely escapes you doesn't it? Oh, I forgot, you're Belgian so it's a rhetorical question.

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Holland (can't confirm the country at the mo) is having a rethink of it's social welfare programs costing them too much

I have reasons saying this about the Netherlands, historical points like developing advanced commercial system, their empire and now freedom and democracy.

No other continental european country can match that.

Social welfare is costing too much everywhere in europe.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Hollande is such a weak pussy

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

The Netherlands has more backbone than rest of your central europe put together

He's talking about the French prime minister - not the country (snigger)

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

He's talking about the French prime minister - not the country (snigger)

Yes looks like that... but he did say

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Holland is such a weak pussy

Easy to get confused with these believers. I don't know much about Frech domestic politics... I know Hollande is a socialist and mate of Obama.

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

I know Hollande is a socialist and mate of Obama

Americas Bitch. Nothing to do with socialism.

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Easy to get confused

Would seem so.