How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

**pseudolus** · 03-05-2014, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

current crisis escalated because the EU had to prove they are superpower

It was Kerry that escalated things. The EU were holding off because of the Gas shortages that will follow when they do get too obnoxious. One assumes that fracking and promises of other gas has eased their minds, and are ready to push towards another cold war again.

Correct though - If the people want to return to being part of Russia then let them. It's their country. If cockrings like Cameron keep insisting otherwise, I trust he will be returning Gibraltar to the Spanish, the Mavlinas to the Argentinians etc because after all, it doesn't matter what the people that live there want apparently....

**Exit Strategy** · 03-05-2014, 08:39 AM

Kerry can be blamed for many things, but I dont think this one.

EU was plain stupid with their energy situation. And germany shutting down nuclear plants.... yeah burn the coal instead and kill the world.

Gibraltar to Spanish does not happen because they are British. Falklands to Argentina does not happen because they are British. End of.

I dislike you calling Falklands Malvinas.

**pseudolus** · 03-05-2014, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Gibraltar to Spanish does not happen because they are British. Falklands to Argentina does not happen because they are British

Ahh but the people in Crimea say they are Russian. So what is the difference? The difference is that this is talking about our own people, where as some nobodies in Crimea do not really matter except that their rebellion against the Owners of the World view of strategic importance.

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

I dislike you calling Falklands Malvinas.

Knock Knock
Who's there?
Crimea
Crimea who?
Crimea river.

**Exit Strategy** · 03-05-2014, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Ahh but the people in Crimea say they are Russian. So what is the difference

I agree they are Russian and they should do whatever they wish, in a democratic way.

**pseudolus** · 03-05-2014, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

I agree they are Russian and they should do whatever they wish, in a democratic way.

Indeed- which is why that as soon as the UK et al try to push them into being Ukrainian again, the UK should hand Gibraltar and the falklands (better?) back to their true respective owners.

**Exit Strategy** · 03-05-2014, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Indeed- which is why that as soon as the UK et al try to push them into being Ukrainian again, the UK should hand Gibraltar and the falklands (better?) back to their true respective owners.

It's better. But true owners of the Rock and Falklands are the British, population is British, overwhelming vote in both places for staying British, you can take history 101.

You do see the logic? Everyone should be where they want to be.

**pseudolus** · 03-05-2014, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

But true owners of the Rock and Falklands are the British

No - they were stolen from the true owners and then populated with british people.

**Exit Strategy** · 03-05-2014, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

No - they were stolen from the true owners and then populated with british people.

BS. Falklands was not populated. As I said, take history 101.

For you Argie lovers, thinking of retaking the Islands, there is a nuclear sub about...

**pseudolus** · 03-05-2014, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

BS. Falklands was not populated. As I said, take history 101.

I'm not an argie lover. I do see the massive hypocrisy though. And I never said it was populated. It was populated with settlers after it had been stolen.

Suggest you take History to enlighten main stream media drones 101.

**Exit Strategy** · 03-05-2014, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

I never said it was populated. It was populated with settlers after it had been stolen.

Right. You do see how logical that is? "stolen before it was found" yeah, makes sense 55555

**Butterfly** · 03-05-2014, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Ukraine is not something I know about really,

obviously, Ukraine and a lot of other things apparently,

so typically American,

**Butterfly** · 03-05-2014, 02:17 PM

back to the topic,

Putin is going to kick some NATO ass and it's about fucking time,

it's time for a new superpower to emerge and tell the American fucks to stop stirring shit in the world. For the last 14 years, the US has been the origin of major conflicts with little results to show. They can't even win a classic conflict against third world peasants.

Of course, if we didn't have the traitorous English in the EU, France and Germany would have create a real NATO alternative.

**barbaro** · 03-05-2014, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

back to the topic,

Putin is going to kick some NATO ass and it's about fucking time,

it's time for a new superpower to emerge and tell the American fucks to stop stirring shit in the world. For the last 14 years, the US has been the origin of major conflicts with little results to show. They can't even win a classic conflict against third world peasants.

Of course, if we didn't have the traitorous English in the EU, France and Germany would have create a real NATO alternative.

You can say "pick NATO / West / US" vs. "Russia" if you want.

I choose neither.

I think this is about Ukraine and Russia.

For the Ukrainians, it may be counterproductive and cause retaliation, but knock on doors, round up the Russians including women and children and eliminate them. (Translation: bullet to the head.)

**pseudolus** · 03-05-2014, 02:37 PM

Surprised to see that from you B.

**Exit Strategy** · 03-05-2014, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

tell the American fucks to stop stirring shit in the world. For the last 14 years, the US has been the origin of major conflicts with little results to show

One might say US was attacked first, and right or wrong, this is what people do. And there are results. Maybe not shared with you.

**Rainfall** · 03-05-2014, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

back to the topic,

Putin is going to kick some NATO ass and it's about fucking time,

it's time for a new superpower to emerge and tell the American fucks to stop stirring shit in the world. For the last 14 years, the US has been the origin of major conflicts with little results to show. They can't even win a classic conflict against third world peasants.

Of course, if we didn't have the traitorous English in the EU, France and Germany would have create a real NATO alternative.

In particular because her majesty's armed forces have become the butt of jokes. Their navy was the most powerful in the world for centuries, and well into WW2. Today? They've got six destroyers. Even the pacifist nation of Japan has four times more.

**Exit Strategy** · 03-05-2014, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by barbaro

but knock on doors, round up the Russians including women and children and eliminate them.

With my limited knowledge (thanks butterfly) I think nearly half of population is Russian (eastern side of the country). So that would be genocide (if less, just plain murder). I know you are not really saying that, but it shows the problem.

Just split the country, no loss of life. Of course, that does not appeal to some who want control of all of it.

**Exit Strategy** · 03-05-2014, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Rainfall

her majesty's armed forces have become the butt of jokes

Don't hear any jokes from the dead bad guys.

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Even the pacifist nation of Japan has four times more.

On that topic, you would find Japan's defence is actually very good, despite different branding of services. It does not matter how many clueless unprofessionals you have, as in Germany or France.

**pseudolus** · 03-05-2014, 03:13 PM

Well anyway, it looks like there will be war.

Ukraine's, fascist, unelected government that ousted the democratically elected government in a US backed coup has set their army against Ukrainians who did not want to accept the coup. 40 dead.

Obomba has his itchy finger on his drone trigger no doubt.

Duly Elected, Oboma? WTF are you talking about. The only democracy in Ukraine since the coup was those in Crimea, holding a referendum, to get the hell away from the fascist coalition.

Is this the West changing the dialogue to make the mainstream media sheep believe that the current banker shill at the helm of Ukraine was elected in a democratic election!

**Butterfly** · 03-05-2014, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Originally Posted by Butterfly

tell the American fucks to stop stirring shit in the world. For the last 14 years, the US has been the origin of major conflicts with little results to show

One might say US was attacked first, and right or wrong, this is what people do. And there are results. Maybe not shared with you.

but the US wasn't attacked, that's the problem. It was a lame excuse to go to Iraq. Afghanistan was first only become NATO, the UN and the EU didn't go with Bush plan to go first in Iraq.

as for results, stop being a gullible "average" American, there has been no results. Even some Congress committee investigation on CIA and NSA practices said that no credible results were achieved. Again, it was a lame excuse to put into place a pipe dream of the Pentagon Generals, the full surveillance of the world communication.

so at the end the USSR was no different from the USA, and likewise, the USA will end up like the USSR, ruined by years of senseless conflicts and bankrupted by war profiteers like Cheney and his friends. Does Rome rings a bell ?

**bsnub** · 03-05-2014, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Putin is going to kick some NATO ass and it's about fucking time

HAAHAAA! This is funny..

Originally Posted by Butterfly

it's time for a new superpower to emerge and tell the American fucks to stop stirring shit in the world.

It wont be Russia as they are on their way to being broke.

**Butterfly** · 03-05-2014, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Rainfall

In particular because her majesty's armed forces have become the butt of jokes. Their navy was the most powerful in the world for centuries, and well into WW2. Today? They've got six destroyers. Even the pacifist nation of Japan has four times more.

The British are on a path of self destruction, it's quite amazing to watch

Cameron is another example of stupity non-sense ala British

Thatcher was the acceleration of that self destruction, the Euroseptics will be the final nails

**Butterfly** · 03-05-2014, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

It wont be Russia as they are on their way to being broke.

more broke than the US ? very unlikely

**pseudolus** · 03-05-2014, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Thatcher was the acceleration of that self destruction, the Euroseptics will be the final nails

Belgiums! You still think the EU is a good thing?

**Exit Strategy** · 03-05-2014, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Ukraine's, fascist, unelected government

Apparently much, but I don't know how much, of the opposition movement was powered by neo-nazis "who want tighter integration with european like souls" not my translation... that is a detail that has been pushed aside in superpower game. I would stay away from all of it if I was Department of State, FO or MOD.

Unelected is a problem. How do we know what the country wants now?

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