The EU for or against

**Norton** · 21-12-2013, 07:14 PM

Tex has hacked Butters account.

**Boon Mee** · 23-12-2013, 12:41 PM

Is Holland in the EU? Well, no matter if it isn't because this little tidbit of news coming out of Dutch Land is most interesting and might well apply to the other Nanny States as they tax themselves to death.

They seem to be running out of other peoples money - imagine that!

The Dutch have just announced a massive reform of their welfare system, designed to reduce dependency and put a new emphasis on work.

**sabang** · 23-12-2013, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

The EU will collapse within three years.

Is this a Rothschild thang? Has socal kidnapped snubby?

**helge** · 23-12-2013, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Is Holland in the EU?

Yes
and in the Netherlands too

**Boon Mee** · 23-12-2013, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by helge

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Is Holland in the EU?

Yes
and in the Netherlands too

Heh...I knew that!

**chassamui** · 23-12-2013, 01:53 PM

Last year the UK broke the 50% barrier for exports by value going outside the EU. Look it up under ONS if you want proof. The EU is a net exporter to the UK so other countries would suffer far more than the UK would.
William Hague has spent the last two years strengthening embassy staff trade teams around the world.
The simple solution is to return to EFTA and everyone stays happy. There is value in co-operation outside of trade, and member states should be allowed to choose which areas of interest and which countries they wish to form alliances with.

**larvidchr** · 23-12-2013, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by bsnub

The EU will collapse within three years.

Is this a Rothschild thang? Has socal kidnapped snubby?

No chance bsnup.... the US knee-jerk reaction against any big coordinated economic competition, and wet dreams of an EU collapse is nothing but castles in the sky, the EU is there to stay and is quite strong, despite some of the persistent UK/US news announcing is imminent demise, those are based on "clandestine

" economic and currency value defence agendas, and desperate fantasy rather than facts.

For the EU member Nations, it is way to late to go back, and it is way way "too big to fail" if that rings any bells.

I was never a fan but as said - it's to late, time have worked against the "EU or Not" question. that question of being against has become moot, the question is for the Nation States to change and adjust the EU within the system if they have any gripes, and that is as far as it goes.

If the UK was to "outright leave" without some form of very long term withdrawal agreement, it would spell an absolute economic disaster for the UK, no matter the fancy-full lies the xenophobic Euro sceptics in UK tell, just over 50% (I think it is?) of the UK trade goes to EU, they would be 27 member country's to soak up the loss between them, UK would have to eat it alone, and it would take UK a very very long time, if ever, to recuperate in the part of the world that is outside EU, make no mistake if UK outright leaves - the rest will retaliate with trade/customs, economic and travel restrictions etc. ect. for the damage done, and not least also to discourage others from ever getting the same idea, you would be able to wipe your ass with almost worthless pound-notes very quickly.

The EU GDP is after-all by IMF 2012 rankings the biggest in the world, and with a size like that comes a lot of clout, in some places they repeatedly try to ignore that fact, and refuse to count the EU as one economic entity, and hanging doggedly on to the individual Nation numbers, and trying desperately to pretend the EU is not there ruining their old world view and understanding, but that is about as futile and slightly ridiculous as the French still refusing to acknowledge English as the main communication language in the west.

It's unfortunate EU was ever invented, but now we have no choice but to live with it.

**helge** · 23-12-2013, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by chassamui

The EU is a net exporter to the UK so other countries would suffer far more than the UK would.

Which country in the EU exports half of their goods to Britain ?

**Butterfly** · 23-12-2013, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by chassamui

Last year the UK broke the 50% barrier for exports by value going outside the EU. Look it up under ONS if you want proof. The EU is a net exporter to the UK so other countries would suffer far more than the UK would.
William Hague has spent the last two years strengthening embassy staff trade teams around the world.
The simple solution is to return to EFTA and everyone stays happy. There is value in co-operation outside of trade, and member states should be allowed to choose which areas of interest and which countries they wish to form alliances with.

in short, let's kick out the English fucks out of the EU

**chassamui** · 23-12-2013, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by helge

Which country in the EU exports half of their goods to Britain ?

I give up. Ask me one on sport.

Sorry if my earlier post was unclear. The UK imports more from EU countries than we export to the EU.

The 50% I quoted was the volume of UK exports going outside the EU. The UK is diversifying away from its reliance on the EU for exports.

Originally Posted by larvidchr

If the UK was to "outright leave" without some form of very long term withdrawal agreement, it would spell an absolute economic disaster for the UK, no matter the fancy-full lies the xenophobic Euro sceptics in UK tell, 70% (I think it is?) of the UK trade goes to EU, and that would take a very very long time to recuperate in the part of the world that is outside EU, make no mistake if UK outright leaves - the rest will retaliate with trade/customs, economic and travel restrictions etc. ect. for the damage done, and not least also to discourage others from ever getting the same idea, you would be able to wipe your ass with almost worthless pound-notes very quickly.

I would have to disagree. The UK wishes to renegotiate the terms of membership and not push for outright withdrawal. The EU membership would have no interest in punitive measures against the UK because it does nothing to improve their own prospects inside the union.
There are measures in place for any country who wishes to withdraw from the Union. It takes at least 2 years under EU rules to complete all the necessary agreements and processes required for a members withdrawal.
The EU wants UK to remain because we are among the top contributors of funding. If a UK referendum gets a yes vote for withdrawal or renegotiation, the government is obliged to pursue it.
The currency is not an issue for the UK because the Euro only survives by being propped up by Germany. How long will that hold up?Just as an aside, pound notes are worthless anyway, having been withdrawn from circulation many years ago.

**chassamui** · 23-12-2013, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

in short, let's kick out the English fucks out of the EU

You will have to take all those wealthy French tax exiles back. The ones who did a runner to London with their cash when Hollande shafted them.

**Butterfly** · 23-12-2013, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by chassamui

You will have to take all those wealthy French tax exiles back. The ones who did a runner to London with their cash when Hollande shafted them.

indeed, we need them very much. The traitors need to pay for their exile,

I know a few of them who moved to London, they hate every fucking minute of being in England, but small sacrifices is needed to save on 75% taxes. They do come back on week-ends, thank god for the EUROSTAR.

**Rainfall** · 24-12-2013, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by chassamui

Last year the UK broke the 50% barrier for exports by value going outside the EU. Look it up under ONS if you want proof. The EU is a net exporter to the UK so other countries would suffer far more than the UK would.

That's not a good argument because there is quite a number of EU states with more exports to non-EU countries than within the EU, the reason is, the rest of the world is bigger. You don't import far more from the EU than you export there because you want to do them a favour, but because your manufacturing sector is small, and your consumers want German cars and Italian luxury goods. You've got an immigration problem that might or not have been caused by the EU; rather not because Pakistan is not in it, but you don't want to pay more for a Mercedes either. You could of course join Norway and the Swiss in the European free trade zone to avoid import taxes, but you would be out of the decision making in Europe. Who else will come up with bizarre regulations like that homosexuals can obtain asylum if they're persecuted in their countries, we wouldn't think of that.

**billy the kid** · 25-12-2013, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

The EU will collapse within three years.

i believe the whole western world will collapse within 2 years.

would rather the uk stayed with europe tho.

**Begbie** · 25-12-2013, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by jamiejambos

Basic- I'm against the EU because I get more baht for my pound sterling
than I would get for my euro......Simple more bang for your buck if you'll
pardon the expression.

Duh!

In any case if the english pull out the pound will drop through the floor and you'll wish you'd changed your money into Euros.

**Mr Lick** · 03-02-2014, 06:06 PM

Staggering report on corruption by the EU Commission presented today

Corruption across EU 'breathtaking' - EU Commission

From country to country the pattern of corruption varies a lot

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The extent of corruption in Europe is "breathtaking" and it costs the EU economy about 120bn euros (£99bn) annually, the European Commission says.

EU Home Affairs Commissioner Cecilia Malmstroem will present a full report on the problem at 11:30 GMT.

Writing in Sweden's Goeteborgs-Posten daily, she said corruption was eroding trust in democracy and draining resources from the legal economy.

For the report the Commission studied corruption in all 28 EU member states.

"The extent of the problem in Europe is breathtaking, although Sweden is among the countries with the least problems," Ms Malmstroem wrote.

The Commission says it is the first time it has produced such a report. It also makes recommendations on how to tackle corruption.

Ms Malmstroem said that in some countries public procurement procedures were vulnerable to fraud, while in others party financing was the main problem, or municipal bodies were badly affected. And in some countries patients have to pay bribes in order to get adequate medical care, she wrote.

The study includes two major opinion polls, which indicated that three-quarters of EU citizens consider corruption to be widespread in their country.

Four out of 10 of the businesses surveyed described corruption as an obstacle to doing business in Europe.

In Sweden, 18% of people surveyed said they knew someone who had received a bribe, compared with a European average of 12%, Ms Malmstroem said.

Despite that finding, she said Sweden "is undoubtedly one of the countries with the least problems with corruption, and other EU countries should learn from Sweden's solutions for dealing with the problem", pointing to the role of laws on transparency and openness

**harrybarracuda** · 03-02-2014, 06:35 PM

They should start by eliminating corruption amongst these skiving MEPs and all the unelected jobsworths around them.

In fact, just eliminate them, they're no feckin use at all to man nor beast.

**harrybarracuda** · 03-02-2014, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by chassamui

Last year the UK broke the 50% barrier for exports by value going outside the EU. Look it up under ONS if you want proof. The EU is a net exporter to the UK so other countries would suffer far more than the UK would.
William Hague has spent the last two years strengthening embassy staff trade teams around the world.
The simple solution is to return to EFTA and everyone stays happy. There is value in co-operation outside of trade, and member states should be allowed to choose which areas of interest and which countries they wish to form alliances with.

in short, let's kick out the English fucks out of the EU

Hey Buttplug, the Queen is going to pay a state visit to France in June to commemorate the 70th anniversary of the Allies bailing out your garlic-munching, cheese-eating surrender monkey arses.

Perhaps you should commemorate it by burning some sheep or something. They don't put up much of a fight.

**slackula** · 03-02-2014, 07:13 PM

Never been much of a fan of the EU, it always struck me that trying to lever a bunch of nations that have been at war with each other on and off forever into some sort of mega-entity seemed a bit pointless.

I wonder what the world would look like if the Commonwealth had been developed differently? In today's globalized economy the UK would have holds in places all around the world.

**billy the kid** · 03-02-2014, 07:30 PM

Didn't we enter the EU to put a stop to all the crazy wars that were happening in Europe that saw millions of people slaughtered.
Different cultures need to compromise to make it work.
After all people basically want the same things in life.
Odd that Buttplug, a french/belgium product wants us out.
A French president who cheats on his lady but he doesn't wanna talk about it says a lot. Tho American presidents have also been in denial.
We'd be crazy to leave.
And i don't believe it will happen. Hopefully.
One currency is a problem tho with the north and south members.

**slackula** · 03-02-2014, 07:39 PM

There's another pretty good reason to be against the EU:

**panama hat** · 03-02-2014, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

In Sweden, 18% of people surveyed said they knew someone who had received a bribe, compared with a European average of 12%, Ms Malmstroem said.

Despite that finding, she said Sweden "is undoubtedly one of the countries with the least problems with corruption, and other EU countries should learn from Sweden's solutions for dealing with the problem", pointing to the role of laws on transparency and openness

The Swede has been hitting the self-righteous Vodka a bit too heavily

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Hey Buttplug, the Queen is going to pay a state visit to France

. . . and he is Belgian, so why would he give a stuff? the old crow may as well be visiting Italy . . . he would give a stuff as well

**harrybarracuda** · 03-02-2014, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Hey Buttplug, the Queen is going to pay a state visit to France

. . . and he is Belgian, so why would he give a stuff? the old crow may as well be visiting Italy . . . he would give a stuff as well

Once a garlic-munching, cheese-eating Gallic surrender monkey, always a garlic-munching, cheese-eating Gallic surrender monkey.

**Ronin** · 03-02-2014, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Nigel Farage? An opportunist who appeals to those who like their words loud and bathed in generalities.
He makes his money by being in the very parliament he so hates and derides daily, yet does little to get the UK out of it.

He is the epitome of a hypocritical leech . . . expenses to the tune of 2million GBP anyone?

+1 He's just another right-wing facist who has jumped on an opportunity, has no policies or experience of government.

**Bower** · 03-02-2014, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by sabang

The UK would be nuts to leave the EU, for all it's faults. It would leave the UK economy perilously vulnerable.

I am with Nigel on that one, I am all FOR the UK leaving the EU

who needs those backstabbing cheating cheesy bastards, who are spying for the Americans on the top of that

they should have been kicked out a long time ago,

DeGaulles was right to oppose their membership for so long

Great Britain == 2 face European traitors

De Gaulles didn't give a flying f*%k about the UK entering the EEC, he was pissed off with the fact the US (who DeGaulles hated) had agreed to supply the UK with Polaris to replace Skybolt. DeGalles wanted nuclear superiority in Europe.
At the same time he was trying to incite a civil war in Canada.

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