Thread: Democrat shutdown: viscious vindictive mean-spirited

so, who's going to be paying for this Obamacare? The 40% that are working? Seems fair to me....uhhhh is yu crazy?

You pay over double the rest of the first world for healthcare in the US, this for an incomplete system- unlike the universal healthcare systems you are being compared to. Many economies can be realised, indeed. You gotta start somewhere- health care costs have been crippling your national competitiveness, and obamacare is what you got.

Originally Posted by sabang

You pay over double the rest of the first world for healthcare in the US

which is exactly the reason why these traitors to the American people are holding them hostage - all that money that is being taken from corporate medi/pharma coffers that could be funding re-election of the scum

Originally Posted by ltnt

So that explains it all...why all those foreigners flock to the specialists to be found nowhere else but the USA

very rich foriegners prepared to pay the price

Originally Posted by ltnt

so, who's going to be paying for this Obamacare? The 40% that are working? Seems fair to me....uhhhh is yu crazy?

It's gonna crash.

Remember Lady Thatcher's famous quote about Socialists and money running out...

Didn't pay much attention to Thatcher back then. To busy working for a living. You know, head down, ass up kind of thing with working people.

One thing for sure, I'm over the moon living overseas and not having to participate in this skinning of the working people.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by ltnt

so, who's going to be paying for this Obamacare? The 40% that are working? Seems fair to me....uhhhh is yu crazy?

It's gonna crash.

Remember Lady Thatcher's famous quote about Socialists and money running out...

Firstly the ACA is not even close to Socialism. It is an expansion of capitalism as it is adding millions of news customers right into the wallet of the for profit insurance companies. Stop mentioning Socialism when it is clear you dont know what it is..

Insurance is a keystone of the capitalist system.

Originally Posted by ltnt

nice try sabang, no cigar.

None needed- Obamacare was enacted 4 years ago, and the exchanges are up and running. Have a cigar.

Originally Posted by ltnt

why all those foreigners flock to the specialists to be found nowhere else but the USA

Think you're behind the times there- 'foreigners' flock to a number of countries for health care, including Switz, UK, Oz, US etc. Even Thailand, for affordable elective surgery. US has some fine facilities, such as Johns Hopkins & Mayo, but thats not the issue. The issue is what healthcare in amerka costs, and that is why you got obamacare- if healthcare in the US had been anywhere close to competitive, I daresay it would have never happened. If you don't like it, whinge at the medical sector that has been ripping you muppets off blind in the US for years.

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

It's the Feds who are shutting things down, not the Republicans.

The Feds don't vote in the House where spending starts, and right now it's controlled by Repubs.

FFS, the republican house controls the purse string for the federal govt.

Originally Posted by attaboy

The House has passed a bill to fund the nation's parks but Harry Reid with the blessing of President Obama has refused to keep the parks open for those people who have saved money to travel and see the wonders and sites of our great nation. Not only are parks in the USA closed but they are closed around the world. The Normandy American Cemetery is closed.

Imagine a WWII veteran returning to Pointe du Hoc and the cemeteries before they die. Imagine children who have pooled their money to send their aged father to see the place he fought and his friends died for freedom. Well, it's happening thanks to the Democrats.

WWII veterans were barricaded from visiting the WWII Memorial a site which is open 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Now the Obama administration has ordered park workers to put up fences where there were no fences to impede citizens' progress. And when the 90 year old veterans crossed those barricades the Obama administration order armed guards to impede any further visiting of the memorial. ARMED GUARDS to block 90 year old veterans.

The Obama administration even tried to go so far as to close the parking lot at the Mount Vernon, George Washington's home. They couldn't close Mount Vernon itself because it is a private museum. But insidious as the federal government is they weaseled their way into maintaining the parking lot and thus felt that they could then close the parking lot and thus impede citizens from visiting the home of one of our Founding Fathers.

Mean-spirited collective punishment. That's what it is. If you resist the Democrats will cause you pain.

So how would you describe it. Vicious? Vindictive? Mean-spirited? Post your word that describes the Democrat shutdown.



90 year old vets outside the barricades.



Vets push the barricades aside and visit the memorial.


Our POTUS responds with armed guards


Armed guards and barricades at a memorial site which is normally open 24/7 with no fences in sight.


How far off are the watercanons?

Nice lies. Right wingers are good at lying if you look at history. The vicious mean-spirit comes from America's warped sick Republicans who are abusing the political system. In the end, your hate-filled lies are just empowering the left wing. You're encouraging the majority to get more from the Americans who refuse to work for the nation. I'm still waiting for Donald Trump and all his supporters to leave the US as they said they would. Just like the worthless words the Republican hero Mr. Trump spouted, and the Fox and fiends pushed, of America's rich leaving the US if they not get more tax cuts, this fiasco created by right wingers will result in more hypocrisy and more pain for the Republicans.

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

It's the Feds who are shutting things down, not the Republicans.

The Feds don't vote in the House where spending starts, and right now it's controlled by Repubs.

FFS, the republican house controls the purse string for the federal govt.

And the executive branch distributes to the government agencies the money appropriated by the legislative branch. WTF?

On the Republican's vicious mean-spirited abuse of the nation.

Originally Posted by Retro

Nice lies. Right wingers are good at lying if you look at history. The vicious mean-spirit comes from America's warped sick Republicans who are abusing the political system. In the end, your hate-filled lies are just empowering the left wing. You're encouraging the majority to get more from the Americans who refuse to work for the nation. I'm still waiting for Donald Trump and all his supporters to leave the US as they said they would. Just like the worthless words the Republican hero Mr. Trump spouted, and the Fox and fiends pushed, of America's rich leaving the US if they not get more tax cuts, this fiasco created by right wingers will result in more hypocrisy and more pain for the Republicans.

Can you post multiple links to various articles showing FOXNews pushed a leave-America agenda?

I know that Trump has used that line more than once. But it's not an uncommon thought. So I don't see why it wouldn't get said more than once by anyone who sees taxes going up and who don't see the taxes being put to good use.

You know eventually people will get tired of supporting a system with their taxes which they feel no longer represents them or their way of life. People will move. They do it all the time. For example, the taxes are too high in California and New York, people move to Texas and Florida. When the environment no longer is hospitable people move. Animals migrate. People move.

Are you of the camp that believes anyone who takes their money off the table so to speak is a traitor to the nation? Those people with winnings must keep playing until the losers are satisfied? This isn't the greatest analogy because it implies that the winners won their money from the losers but the question is, "people with money shouldn't be allowed to withdraw from a system that is hostile to them?"

Some Americans give their opinions on the shutdown.

Originally Posted by Retro

On the Republican's vicious mean-spirited abuse of the nation.

The irony here is that if Boehner called for the clean CR vote and it did fail, he'd be able to reinforce his point and that might give him some actual leverage to bring Democrats to negotiate on something they don't want to negotiate on. Plus, he'd be able to brag about how he was right and then chastise Obama for wasting Congress' time.

He has everything to gain if he's right about it not passing, but he won't bring it to a vote. Wonder why?

Originally Posted by attaboy

Originally Posted by Retro

Nice lies. Right wingers are good at lying if you look at history. The vicious mean-spirit comes from America's warped sick Republicans who are abusing the political system. In the end, your hate-filled lies are just empowering the left wing. You're encouraging the majority to get more from the Americans who refuse to work for the nation. I'm still waiting for Donald Trump and all his supporters to leave the US as they said they would. Just like the worthless words the Republican hero Mr. Trump spouted, and the Fox and fiends pushed, of America's rich leaving the US if they not get more tax cuts, this fiasco created by right wingers will result in more hypocrisy and more pain for the Republicans.

Can you post multiple links to various articles showing FOXNews pushed a leave-America agenda?

I know that Trump has used that line more than once. But it's not an uncommon thought. So I don't see why it wouldn't get said more than once by anyone who sees taxes going up and who don't see the taxes being put to good use.

You know eventually people will get tired of supporting a system with their taxes which they feel no longer represents them or their way of life. People will move. They do it all the time. For example, the taxes are too high in California and New York, people move to Texas and Florida. When the environment no longer is hospitable people move. Animals migrate. People move.

Are you of the camp that believes anyone who takes their money off the table so to speak is a traitor to the nation? Those people with winnings must keep playing until the losers are satisfied? This isn't the greatest analogy because it implies that the winners won their money from the losers but the question is, "people with money shouldn't be allowed to withdraw from a system that is hostile to them?"

Trump put forward the idea and like so many other ideas Fox gave it more-than-reasonable media attention. That's why most people know he said it. He was also on other stations. It was the fight about getting rid of Bush's tax cuts.

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by Retro

On the Republican's vicious mean-spirited abuse of the nation.

The irony here is that if Boehner called for the clean CR vote and it did fail, he'd be able to reinforce his point and that might give him some actual leverage to bring Democrats to negotiate on something they don't want to negotiate on. Plus, he'd be able to brag about how he was right and then chastise Obama for wasting Congress' time.

He has everything to gain if he's right about it not passing, but he won't bring it to a vote. Wonder why?

Yep. Right now it's just right wing terrorism in my view. If you watched the clip of average Americans I posted, one guy mentioned that this bs will set a precedent for future actions like this. Many of the teaparty nutters like Cruz and others really are End-of-times folks who could really give a crap about anything including the nation. If the nation were to fall into anarchy they'd love it. They own gold, have bomb shelters, pray to Jesus or just love guns and want to use them. Their lives are empty and abuse of the nation gives them a feeling of being someone. It's kind of like Forrest Gump's friend who cried when he didn't die in battle like his ancestors all did. These teaparty and some other right wingers who empower the Republican nutters are desperate to feel like they were a part of something bigger than their meaningless lives. Of course there's money in this. The corporations and their wealthy benefactors are in on this.

As I said before, they are just making the rest of the nation unite against them.

And that's how you remember it. Do you watch FOXNews? If you don't then you must have read this claim on the Daily-KOS or some other internet source, newspaper or periodical. What's the source of your claim? If it's how you remember it from watching FOXNews I can accept that.

Originally Posted by attaboy

And that's how you remember it. Do you watch FOXNews? If you don't then you must have read this claim on the Daily-KOS or some other internet source, newspaper or periodical. What's the source of your claim? If it's how you remember it from watching FOXNews I can accept that.

I certainly do watch it when I can. I don't have cable TV but in my travels I like to watch all the stations. I wonder are you a Fox News watcher? Did they ever say sorry for lying to the American people and pushing endless WMD propaganda? Or are you still looking for those WMDs?

Listen to today's (Oct. 8) Washington Journal Call in. Click 'Open Phones' video. It's Republican Only. You'll find the right wingers are very happy about the shutdown.

Washington Journal | C-SPAN

Originally Posted by Retro

Originally Posted by attaboy

And that's how you remember it. Do you watch FOXNews? If you don't then you must have read this claim on the Daily-KOS or some other internet source, newspaper or periodical. What's the source of your claim? If it's how you remember it from watching FOXNews I can accept that.

I certainly do watch it when I can. I don't have cable TV but in my travels I like to watch all the stations. I wonder are you a Fox News watcher? Did they ever say sorry for lying to the American people and pushing endless WMD propaganda? Or are you still looking for those WMDs?

You watch when you can when you are traveling. Travel is part of your work? I'm trying to get an idea how often. Watching while staying in a hotel doesn't account for much time otherwise.

Everyone pushed WMD propaganda even Hillary Clinotn. For the record when Clin Powell went before the UN and spoke about mobile chemical weapons labs that's when I knew it was a lie. If Colin Powell was trying to sell the idea by describing mobile labs the argument was weak.

I rememebr the Gulf War when GeN Swartzkoff (sp.) walked thru a video of a cruise missle attack on some mobile SCUD missle launchers. It turned out that the mobile missle launchers were milk trucks parked at the Syrian boarder waiting to cross the border in the morning.


So when Powell mention mobile chemical labs I didn't believe him.

Yep. Everyone jumped on the bandwagon but was and has always been the biggest war monger.


This Chart Shows When The Government Is Actually Going To Run Out Of Money - Business Insider

World War I - Pres Woodrow Wilson Democrat
WW II - FDR Democrat
Korean War - Truman Democrat
Vietnam War - a person could say the tiny number of advisers sent by Eisenhower counts as the beginning of involvement but JFK and Johnson committed the country to fighting.
Greneda excursion - Reagan
Panama war - Bush 41
Gulf War - Bush 41
Somalia humanitarian mission - Bush 41
Afghan War = Bush 43
Iraq War - Bush 43
Libyan War - Obama

Originally Posted by attaboy

You know eventually people will get tired of supporting a system with their taxes which they feel no longer represents them or their way of life. People will move. They do it all the time. For example, the taxes are too high in California and New York, people move to Texas and Florida. When the environment no longer is hospitable people move. Animals migrate. People move.

You know people might also realize that they pay far more for profits of private enterprises than in taxes, and get tired of a system designed to make every product, and every service as expensive as possible. I'm not sure how Obama healthcare fits in, no clue how it's supposed to work. It's called 'affordable health care act', and because Obama has been a proven liar for his whole reign, I suspect it means very much the opposite. To make it even more expensive, and more profitable for the owners of healthcare insurances and providers.

^I don't doubt that in exchange for more government influence in the insurance industry and healthcare industry Obama promised the insurance industry something the most likely is more profits. Supposedly the margin is smaller but it's more than made up for by the in crease in # of participants. Plus I guess the insurance companies could fudge the actuary numbers for the cost of preexisting illness coverage and the government could look the other way.