Thread: Democrat shutdown: viscious vindictive mean-spirited

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Originally Posted by attaboy

You know eventually people will get tired of supporting a system with their taxes which they feel no longer represents them or their way of life. People will move. They do it all the time. For example, the taxes are too high in California and New York, people move to Texas and Florida. When the environment no longer is hospitable people move. Animals migrate. People move.

You know people might also realize that they pay far more for profits of private enterprises than in taxes, and get tired of a system designed to make every product, and every service as expensive as possible. I'm not sure how Obama healthcare fits in, no clue how it's supposed to work. It's called 'affordable health care act', and because Obama has been a proven liar for his whole reign, I suspect it means very much the opposite. To make it even more expensive, and more profitable for the owners of healthcare insurances and providers.

I wanted to add that I realize there is collusion to price-fix by major corporations in say the tire industry. It has been done back in the days when the USA manufactured tires. But overall companies compete and the consumers benefit. That theory is relatively true.

So...I managed close to 7 pages of closed Memorials and Parks

I should say that you have bigger problems than that

Originally Posted by sabang

- Millions of Americans financially effected, laid off or furloughed. People with families to feed, and financial commitments. - Rest of the world either aghast or sniggering at the self styled 'leader of the free world' (snigger) and it's idiocy - Direct cost $300 million in added debt per day, and counting. - US economic recovery damaged. - World economy under threat too - all caused by a malevolent rump- the funding bill would pass Congress today, if put to the vote

We have a winner

Fortunately there is also one to blame: The voter

He ate up the election pork raw, and got what he wanted

Live with it or change your election system

You need a responsible parlament


But it won't happen

Originally Posted by helge

So...I managed close to 7 pages of closed Memorials and Parks

This how the rightwing propaganda/hysteria machine is trying to distract the American peoples attention away from the fact that they have shut down the government over a law that is fully funded and being implemented despite the shut down.

^ all because corporate medical insurance/pharma does not want to have to negoitiate deals with govt for fees/medications - they are much happier screwing over the individual consumer

Ha! Check out what’s plastered over closed sign in DC; Barrycades? You’re doing it wrong



Ha! An enterprising patriot sought to plaster the truth over the Barrycade shutdown theater. The sign should have said “by order of the Spite House.” That would have been just perfect!

Other citizens provide a Teachable Moment to President Stompy Foot: Barrycades? You’re doing it wrong.

Obedience is not patriotism and #OccupyAmerica continues, now with more nation’s capital!"

No shit.

Didn't we hear the Lefties crying like fok when Dubya was POTUS that dissention was patriotic or something?

Tourists Terrorized By Feds At Yellowstone Park

America has been fundamentally transformed, just as Obama promised.

This is what happened to tourists at Yellowstone, including senior citizens and foreigners who came to visit the erstwhile Land of Liberty, during Obama’s ongoing shutdown spectacle:

[Pat] Vaillancourt was one of thousands of people who found themselves in a national park as the federal government shutdown went into effect on Oct. 1. For many hours her tour group, which included senior citizen visitors from Japan, Australia, Canada and the United States, were locked in a Yellowstone National Park hotel under armed guard.

The tourists were treated harshly by armed park employees, she said, so much so that some of the foreign tourists with limited English skills thought they were under arrest.
When finally allowed to leave, the bus was not allowed to halt at all along the 2.5-hour trip out of the park, not even to stop at private bathrooms that were open along the route.

A private dude ranch was even told that it would have its license revoked if it allowed the tourists to use the bathroom facilities.
At one point the bus had to stop because the road was blocked by bison…

and seniors filed out to take photos. Almost immediately, an armed ranger came by and ordered them to get back in, saying they couldn’t “recreate.” The tour guide, who had paid a $300 fee the day before to bring the group into the park, argued that the seniors weren’t “recreating,” just taking photos.
“She responded and said, ‘Sir, you are recreating,’ and her tone became very aggressive,” Vaillancourt said.

Recreating on federal property is currently against the law per the Obamamessiah:

Many of the foreign visitors were shocked and dismayed by what had happened and how they were treated, Vaillancourt said.
“A lot of people who were foreign said they wouldn’t come back (to America),” she said.

Park Service employees have been instructed by the Obama Regime to “make life as difficult for people as we can.” These instructions have been followed obediently.

Encountering Tyranny At Valley Forge

Obama’s shutdown gambit has provided plenty of poignant symbolism, if only we had a responsible media to highlight it appropriately. Yet another example — Valley Forge, where George Washington and his troops endured extreme hardship while fighting for the apparently lost cause of American liberty:

A marathoner says he was fined $100 for running in Valley Forge National Historical Park during the government shutdown.
John Bell, 56, said he parked his car on Sunday in a remote parking lot, not one blocked by a barrier. Bell, of Chadds Ford, said two rangers were waiting with their car lights flashing when he returned.

Any bureaucrats want to explain how paying people to stake out parked cars so as to issue $100 fines for jogging saves the government money? Given all the pricey bennies received by federal employees, I doubt this is profitable.
On the positive side, if Washington and his men could weather winter at Valley Forge and go on to turn the Revolutionary War around, we ought to be able to endure a few more years of Obama."

^ Three repetitive similar spam posts. Lovely.

^Nobody is falling for their ridiculous distractions bsub. Everyone knows these closings are a direct result of GOP extortion. The fact that they keep posting this nonsense is proof of their desperation.

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ Three repetitive similar spam posts. Lovely.

Are you a Veteran there snubbs?

Need a little medical help at one of the VA Hospitals perhaps? Well, yer outa luck, pal. The Obamamessiah has shut down VA Benefits - nice guy, huh?

The government shutdown is denying an array of financial benefits to families of troops killed in combat, training or by other causes in the military.

In addition, services to veterans were further curtailed Tuesday as the Department of Veterans Affairs exhausted some carryover funding and furloughed 7,000 workers who process compensation claims.

As a result, the VA cut off public access Tuesday to all 56 regional offices where veterans routinely walk in to file claims for compensation of combat- or other service-related wounds, injuries or illnesses.


Major veteran service organizations expressed outrage Tuesday that these facilities were temporarily shuttered because many of their employees use this office space to assist veterans in preparing what are often complex compensation claims.

"Because Congress and the White House refuse to speak to each other, our country's veterans are suffering more with each passing day of this extremely dangerous impasse," said Daniel Dellinger, national commander of the American Legion, the largest veterans organization with 2.4 million members.
It remains unclear whether the VA will be sending out compensation checks on Nov. 1 to about 3.8 million veterans who rely on them, department spokeswoman Victoria Dillon says. While the VA is continuing to process compensation cases this month, funding for this will run out by the end of October if the shutdown continues, she says.

The VA pays out about $5 billion the first of each month to veterans in compensation and pension payments, Dillon says.

Meanwhile, the families of four soldiers and a Marine killed in Afghanistan since the shutdown last week are not receiving a $100,000 death gratuity or any unpaid income due their loved ones, or being reimbursement for burial expenses, the Pentagon says.
"Unfortunately, as a result of the shutdown, we do not have the legal authority to make death gratuity payments at this time," says Navy Lt. Com. Nate Christensen, a Pentagon spokesman.

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said Tuesday that the chamber will advance a bill Wednesday addressing military death benefit payments. "The House is going to act specifically on this and I hope the president will sign it," he said.

Senate Armed Services Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich., said Democrats were focused on reopening the full government. The Senate has rejected all but one piecemeal fix in the shutdown impasse. The exception was a bill providing military pay during the shutdown.

"We're trying to get the government open to deal with all these issues," Levin said.

Other Pentagon costs impacted by the shutdown:

• Reimbursing families for travel to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware for meeting the remains of their loved one brought back from war.
• The cost of memorial services, caskets and other burial expenses.
• Paying the travel expenses of families who wish to be at the bedside of a direly wounded servicemember brought from combat to an Army hospital in Germany.

"We are keeping a close eye on those survivors," he says. "We're ready to pay out as soon as the money comes through. We care a great deal about them."

News of this cut in death reimbursements by the Pentagon was first reported by NBC.

Payments that are continuing during the shutdown, according to Christensen, include the processing of a $400,000 death insurance policy and a monthly survivor benefit stipend amounting to a percentage of the slain servicemember's base pay.

The VA said its success in reducing a backlog of compensation claims is now in jeopardy because it can no longer require employees to work overtime to cut through the delayed cases. The department began in May placing workers on a mandatory overtime schedule of at least 20 hours per month and succeeded in reducing the backlog by 30%.

Mandatory overtime was to continue through November, followed by voluntary overtime. But that ended with the shutdown, and the backlog of compensation cases pending longer than four months has held steady at nearly 420,000 cases, Dillon says.

Shutdown holding up military, VA benefits

Yeah, well, the golf course at Andrews is still open, so it´s not all bad, eh?

Originally Posted by Humbert

^Nobody is falling for their ridiculous distractions bsub. Everyone knows these closings are a direct result of GOP extortion. The fact that they keep posting this nonsense is proof of their desperation.

Au contraire.

Foreign tourists terrorized at National Parks like Yellowstone smacks of true desperation...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Patriots

These people are dangerous. If they get their way here, there is absolutely nothing to stop them from doing it again and again. They will basically have completely contravened the Constitution and set themselves up as the de facto government.

This is why Obama should not give in. If he does, then basically the House, or rather the teabaggers have become the head of the US government for all intents and purposes. One little faction of one party in one half of one third of the government would, in essence, rule the country. How very patriotic of them.

This is how it's going to shake out. Obama will win on the budget and Boehner will win on the debt ceiling. Obama will have to give Boehner something for raising the debt ceiling.

Originally Posted by attaboy

Obama will have to give Boehner something for raising the debt ceiling.

Why? The debt ceiling being raised is a regular occurrence to pay for things that the House has already approved. If they don't want to raise it then they should stop stuffing bills full of pork and wasting money on extra engines for jets that aren't even operational yet.

I doubt I'll get an answer to this, at least one from an actual person who supports what the Republicans are currently doing, but I'll ask anyway. If they win, if they get their way and Obama gives up and gives them what they want to prevent the country from defaulting, when will the demands stop?

What will stop them from demanding he resign as President next? Or that both he and Biden resign so Boehner takes over the White House? I know you'd say that's ridiculous, no one would stand for that but really, are you sure? The teabaggers are in districts that flat out believe Obama is not eligible to be President and that he should be impeached for some imagined crimes. What on Earth would stop them from completely circumventing the Constitution?

I'm not sure what would stop them if they succeed here. Conservatives love the "slippery slope" argument, isn't this the ultimate slippery slope?

I'm glad these people are breaking down the barricades ignoring the authorities. It will benefit the poor in the future and people near the border on government lands. Homeless people will be able to sleep in public places and urinate there without worry. And the occupy movement will be able to reoccupy the public space in NYC.

Heh, might be a good time for Occupy to hit the streets again.

Good drugs man- there will be much less security to contend with (thanks republicans!), so a great time to set up some drum circles and Occupy a few public parks. Heck, in the absence of government services, why don't we just set up our own police force and public hygiene facilities. In the absence of park rangers, why don't we take over the burden of administration, and occupy what was previously state land- all for the public good of course. They can't take care of it, they have more important things to do like squabble over four year old laws, and incrementally close down the government apparatus while doing so. Given these priorities, I would think the US government would be grateful for the People taking these trivial matters of their hands. You do believe in small government, don't you?

I wonder if a few Islamist nasties are thinking along the same lines?

This poor gal almost died after she got lost during a hike after being turned away from Park by the Gestapo Park Service:

Cathy Frye could go on no longer.

She and her husband, Rick McFarland, decided that he would set out in Texas’ remote Big Bend Ranch State Park to find help, leaving her behind. For two more days, she waited it out, using a small tree for shade.

McFarland was able to find his car, drive to a ranger’s station and help launch a search-and-rescue operation that found Frye on Sunday. She remained hospitalized two days later, but in good spirits as she recovered from severe dehydration.

It was the type of ordeal typically covered by Frye and McFarland, who met and still work together at the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette newspaper in Little Rock.
Their skills came in handy. Frye, an award-winning writer who has covered disasters such as the 2010 flooding at an Arkansas campground that killed 20 people, told the newspaper she had read about trying to stay in place during the hottest points of the day.

McFarland, a staff photographer for two decades, would use his camera to locate his car and drive for help.

He shared the good news with friends in a text message that read in part: “I’ve not seen her yet, but overjoyed is nowhere near how I feel.”
Rescuers found Frye, the 43-year-old mother of two children, in a dry creek known as an arroyo. She had taken off her clothes, was severely dehydrated, and had sunburn, bruises and cactus thorns all over her body, the newspaper reported.

The partial federal government shutdown had forced Frye and her husband out of their original destination, Big Bend National Park, on Tuesday. The couple was familiar with that remote park on the U.S.-Mexico border, having been married there in 2001 and visited every year since. But they took a local employee’s advice and went west to Big Bend Ranch State Park, which was still open.

Ark. reporter survives days lost in Texas park - SFGate

Thankfully she survived or she'd be just another one of Obama's "Bumps In The Road"...

Originally Posted by raycarey

there it is.....the speaker of the republican controlled house admitted that the GOP chose to the shutdown the govt.

The GOP simultaneously claims wanting to shut down the government, and blames Obama for letting the government be shut down!

do you rethugliKKKlans ever get tired of lying?

or better yet.... do you dumbed down minions ever get tired of being lied to and repeating said lie over and over again? (that was a fascist Nazi thing wasn't it?)

what's funny is faux news rethugliKKKlans think they are the most informed people in the world and after proved wrong they still see themselves as informed...

the rethugliKKKlans are going away soon... what are y'all going to do when everything is controlled by the other party for generations to come? personally I will laugh my ass off! oh I forgot rethugliKKKlans have gerrymandered the voting districts so bad in this country they will never go away... at least until the next census...