Thread: Reasons Citizens Should Own Guns

Update on the street punk who cold-bloodily shot a baby. It turns out the baby was only 13 months old. The punk, told the mother he wanted money and was going to count down from 5 and then kill the baby if she didn't give him some money.

So yes, bad guy that I am, I would have willingly shot that teenager dead to prevent him from killing that baby.

RickThai

Originally Posted by Troy

US concealed gun safety teacher shoots student

Terry Dunlap, 73, was demonstrating a .38-calibre pistol when it went off and struck Michael Piemonte, 26.

He and his wife were taking the day-long class in order to carry guns for their own safety, he told local media.

All 50 states allow residents to obtain a concealed firearm permit, though training and other requirements differ.

Last month, the state of Illinois became the last to do so, in response to a court order.

The Fairfield County, Ohio, sheriff's office listed the Saturday shooting in the town of Lancaster as accidental, the Columbus Dispatch reported.

"It took me a couple of seconds to realise that I had been shot," Mr Piemonte told CNN.

Mr Piemonte was treated in hospital and released that night.

Mr Dunlap has not spoken publicly about the incident.

Ohio residents seeking a concealed weapon permit must take an approved safety course or show "evidence of imminent danger", pass a criminal background check, and meet other requirements.

BBC News - US concealed gun safety teacher shoots student


How does this happen? A teacher in gun safety managing to shoot one of is students by accident? What was the guy doing pointing a gun in a direction even close to towards a student?

Accidents happen. Even though (legal) citizens have to pass a driving test to get a driving lesson, people back up over their toddlers in their driveway several times a year. So what is your point?


RickThai

Originally Posted by RickThai

And again, what is your thoughts on the Nazi party?

RickThai

I strictly reject the liberalisation of the gun laws by the Nazis, and am gratefull the German Democratic Republic revoked the nazi rules.

Originally Posted by RickThai

Accidents happen. Even though (legal) citizens have to pass a driving test to get a driving lesson, people back up over their toddlers in their driveway several times a year. So what is your point?

You call it an accident. I call it gross negligence. That's the point.

A student, learning to use a firearm, pointing it towards someone and discharging the weapon unintentionally is one thing (although a novice that might do this must be under constant watch to prevent such an accident) . An instructor doing so is not an accident but gross misconduct.

I have personally witnessed a student turn his loaded gun too far away from the target and being pounced on by three Instructors.

Pointing out accidents due to negligence in another discipline (motoring) is side-stepping the issue. Let's stay focussed on the subject at hand shall we.

^ Imagine the fate of a negro jogging past Rick Thai's house. Must be as dangerous as being an Ozzie running around Oklohama......

: WWII Vet Assaulted In N. Spokane Dies; Suspect Photos Released.

Too bad he didn't have a gun to defend himself...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

: WWII Vet Assaulted In N. Spokane Dies; Suspect Photos Released.

Too bad he didn't have a gun to defend himself...

I agree. I'm glad we have ours.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Americans must be soft. They should toughen up and grow a pair like this old British guy. A burglar broke into his house and threatened him with a knife. The 72 year old guy just hit the guy twice in the face, giving him a black eye and a swollen lip. He then restrained the attacker until police arrived. No need to kill the guy. Smack him about a bit then wait for the cops to come and take him away. Sorted.



Burglar left bruised and bleeding by retired boxer, 72 - Telegraph

I assume your story took place in UK. If so, then the only valid logic you could take away from your story ("Americans must be soft.") is that old Brits are tougher than young Brits (provided the burglar was a Brit).

Otherwise this story has nothing to do with Americans.

RickThai

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Originally Posted by RickThai

And again, what is your thoughts on the Nazi party?

RickThai

I strictly reject the liberalisation of the gun laws by the Nazis, and am gratefull the German Democratic Republic revoked the nazi rules.

So the main thing you "strictly rejected" about the Nazis was their "liberalization of gun laws"? What about all the dead gypsies, Jews, and other non-Aryan German citizens?

So, as an ex-East German soldier, what is your thoughts about Peter Fechter? Did he have it coming? (Not to mention the others).

RickThai

humm the Buddhist that wants to do away 15% of his own countries population takes the moral high ground.... a figure that I dont think mr adolf managed to achieve despite a grand effort.

rick who do you take your inspiration from? Wimala Biwuntha, the butchering monk of burma by any chance?

Originally Posted by hazz

humm the Buddhist that wants to do away 15% of his own countries population takes the moral high ground.... a figure that I dont think mr adolf managed to achieve despite a grand effort.

rick who do you take your inspiration from? Wimala Biwuntha, the butchering monk of burma by any chance?

Like I said, "I only killed those what needed killing."

RickThai

I believe that's is what most genocidal loony's say

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by RickThai

Accidents happen. Even though (legal) citizens have to pass a driving test to get a driving lesson, people back up over their toddlers in their driveway several times a year. So what is your point?

You call it an accident. I call it gross negligence. That's the point.

A student, learning to use a firearm, pointing it towards someone and discharging the weapon unintentionally is one thing (although a novice that might do this must be under constant watch to prevent such an accident) . An instructor doing so is not an accident but gross misconduct.

I have personally witnessed a student turn his loaded gun too far away from the target and being pounced on by three Instructors.

Pointing out accidents due to negligence in another discipline (motoring) is side-stepping the issue. Let's stay focussed on the subject at hand shall we.

Fair enough.

The subject at hand is that (in the US and most parts of the world), there are an increasing number of vicious people that will beat you to death, stab you, rob you, shoot you, hack you to death with a machete, and rape you (either before or after).

They will do it for kicks, for political reasons, religious reasons, and for a few bucks, or simply because they want to.

I believe, that having a gun and knowing how to use it, gives potential victims the best chance of preventing these types of crimes; and protecting themselves and their families in the process.

I also believe, that if society starts killing these criminals in the act; they are making the world a better and safer place to live for everyone (except for the criminals of course). In other words, it becomes a self-correcting problem.

People who can't understand that simple logic, probably don't deserve to have guns, and probably shouldn't have guns. I just feel sorry for their families.

Santi,

RickThai

Originally Posted by RickThai

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Originally Posted by RickThai

And again, what is your thoughts on the Nazi party?

RickThai

I strictly reject the liberalisation of the gun laws by the Nazis, and am gratefull the German Democratic Republic revoked the nazi rules.

So the main thing you "strictly rejected" about the Nazis was their "liberalization of gun laws"? What about all the dead gypsies, Jews, and other non-Aryan German citizens?

So, as an ex-East German soldier, what is your thoughts about Peter Fechter? Did he have it coming? (Not to mention the others).

RickThai

Three days before Fechtner, the DDR border guard Rudi Arnstadt was murdered defending the border of his motherland against the most perfidious regime the world has ever seen, the US, and its vasalls. One of hundreds of victims celebrated in the West. He was a hero in my country, places and streets named after him, there are memorials, and the stadium in my town still wears his name even today.

False logic rick, thats been explained to you before. If having more guns than any other first world country makes America so safe why do you have the highest homicide rate amongst these countries?

In the UK we have much fewer guns, much less gun crime.... do a google for "child shot site:uk" you will get loads of reports of childrenb being shot.... american children because its such a rare crime in the uk

very few police officers are armed in the UK, even the firearms police do not routinely carry arms on their person.... and how often do uk police get shot.... how many in the US with all those guns too keep you safe?

By restricting civilian access to guns and bullets, we have successfully disarmed criminals to a degree you just cannot imagine in the US.

Originally Posted by RickThai

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by RickThai

Accidents happen. Even though (legal) citizens have to pass a driving test to get a driving lesson, people back up over their toddlers in their driveway several times a year. So what is your point?

You call it an accident. I call it gross negligence. That's the point.

A student, learning to use a firearm, pointing it towards someone and discharging the weapon unintentionally is one thing (although a novice that might do this must be under constant watch to prevent such an accident) . An instructor doing so is not an accident but gross misconduct.

I have personally witnessed a student turn his loaded gun too far away from the target and being pounced on by three Instructors.

Pointing out accidents due to negligence in another discipline (motoring) is side-stepping the issue. Let's stay focussed on the subject at hand shall we.

Fair enough.

The subject at hand is that (in the US and most parts of the world), there are an increasing number of vicious people that will beat you to death, stab you, rob you, shoot you, hack you to death with a machete, and rape you (either before or after).

They will do it for kicks, for political reasons, religious reasons, and for a few bucks, or simply because they want to.

I believe, that having a gun and knowing how to use it, gives potential victims the best chance of preventing these types of crimes; and protecting themselves and their families in the process.

I also believe, that if society starts killing these criminals in the act; they are making the world a better and safer place to live for everyone (except for the criminals of course). In other words, it becomes a self-correcting problem.

People who can't understand that simple logic, probably don't deserve to have guns, and probably shouldn't have guns. I just feel sorry for their families.

Santi,

RickThai

You are enlarging the subject beyond personal self-defence into another subject not relevant here.

The point that you miss about self-defence at home is that a gun should be the last resort. You seem intent on finding an opportunity shoot and kill someone in your own home even though it may not be necessary. You either live in a very bad neighbourhood or you are living in a fantasy world.

You still haven't told us whether or not you ever saw front line action in the military during which you killed opposing military and/or innocent civilians. Were you a cook or clerk frustrated because you couldn't go out on a killing trip like your buddies?

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Originally Posted by RickThai

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Originally Posted by RickThai

And again, what is your thoughts on the Nazi party?

RickThai

I strictly reject the liberalisation of the gun laws by the Nazis, and am gratefull the German Democratic Republic revoked the nazi rules.

So the main thing you "strictly rejected" about the Nazis was their "liberalization of gun laws"? What about all the dead gypsies, Jews, and other non-Aryan German citizens?

So, as an ex-East German soldier, what is your thoughts about Peter Fechter? Did he have it coming? (Not to mention the others).

RickThai

Three days before Fechtner, the DDR border guard Rudi Arnstadt was murdered defending the border of his motherland against the most perfidious regime the world has ever seen, the US, and its vasalls. One of hundreds of victims celebrated in the West. He was a hero in my country, places and streets named after him, there are memorials, and the stadium in my town still wears his name even today.

So who murdered the border guard? One of the thousands of East German citizens trying to escape from your country?

The Berlin Wall, was put up almost overnight, due to over 1 million East Germans fleeing East Germans into West Germany. The wall was to keep them in; not prevent attacks from the US, Great Britain, or West Germany.

To those who don't know; Peter Fetcher was shot while he and a companion tried to climb over the Berlin Wall. Fletchner, fell back onto the East German side of the wall.

The East German military left him where he fell for a couple of days (to the horror of the rest of the world), until he finally died from his injuries. Only then did they see fit to haul his body away from where he fell.

Must have been a real source of national pride for the East German soldiers.

RickThai

Originally Posted by hazz

False logic rick, thats been explained to you before. If having more guns than any other first world country makes America so safe why do you have the highest homicide rate amongst these countries?

In the UK we have much fewer guns, much less gun crime.... do a google for "child shot site:uk" you will get loads of reports of childrenb being shot.... american children because its such a rare crime in the uk

very few police officers are armed in the UK, even the firearms police do not routinely carry arms on their person.... and how often do uk police get shot.... how many in the US with all those guns too keep you safe?

By restricting civilian access to guns and bullets, we have successfully disarmed criminals to a degree you just cannot imagine in the US.

Yeah, and you keep forgetting the fact that Russia; (where hardly any private citizen can legally own a gun), has a murder rate almost 7 times higher than the US.

Iraq currently has one of the highest murder rates of any country in the world. The weapon of choice; IEDs.

My guess as the UK allows more and more immigrants into its country, the homicide rate will start rising drastically (if it already hasn't).

RickThai

Originally Posted by Morden

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You still haven't told us whether or not you ever saw front line action in the military during which you killed opposing military and/or innocent civilians. Were you a cook or clerk frustrated because you couldn't go out on a killing trip like your buddies?

You have already accused me of killing children, so you think I am so stupid as to give you more details about my combat experience.

If you want to know what it is like in combat; join the military and volunteer for duty in Afghanistan. Maybe you will learn something.

RickThai

Originally Posted by RickThai

So who murdered the border guard? One of the thousands of East German citizens trying to escape from your country?

The Berlin Wall, was put up almost overnight, due to over 1 million East Germans fleeing East Germans into West Germany. The wall was to keep them in; not prevent attacks from the US, Great Britain, or West Germany.

To those who don't know; Peter Fetcher was shot while he and a companion tried to climb over the Berlin Wall. Fletchner, fell back onto the East German side of the wall.

The East German military left him where he fell for a couple of days (to the horror of the rest of the world), until he finally died from his injuries. Only then did they see fit to haul his body away from where he fell.

Must have been a real source of national pride for the East German soldiers.

RickThai

We did not have niggas shooting young mothers and babies, or joggers from Australia dead. You were our laughing stock, small East Germany 1/100 the size of the US won more medals at Olympic games during the eighties than the doped US athletes.

Yeh, those women weightlifters were formidable.

Originally Posted by RickThai

Originally Posted by Morden

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You still haven't told us whether or not you ever saw front line action in the military during which you killed opposing military and/or innocent civilians. Were you a cook or clerk frustrated because you couldn't go out on a killing trip like your buddies?

You have already accused me of killing children, so you think I am so stupid as to give you more details about my combat experience.

If you want to know what it is like in combat; join the military and volunteer for duty in Afghanistan. Maybe you will learn something.

RickThai

I accused you of nothing but merely asked what you did in the military. Your failure to answer indicates, I suppose, that you didn't see front line action and have been looking for it in civilian life.

When someone comes a knockin' at my door giving me this 'Santi' lark, I might just buy a gun.

Do they shoot Mormons & JW's much in the states? I reckon you could do that under the stand your ground laws.