2016 Democratic US Presidential Candidates

**Boon Mee** · 19-08-2015, 04:00 PM

And this supposedly intelligent woman had her illegal email servers in a bathroom closet?

The mind boggles...

**Black Heart** · 19-08-2015, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

^Not sure I understand your point. American diplomats serve abroad, not in the US (with the exception of the UN in NYC).

Hillary is not a US diplomat.

Nor was Rove.

The USG has regulations governing use of USG information.

Whether either of the above are/were diplomats really doesn't factor into it.

When HRC was Sec of State she was a diplomat.

I watched the interview of the specific laws.

**Boon Mee** · 19-08-2015, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Black Heart

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

^Not sure I understand your point. American diplomats serve abroad, not in the US (with the exception of the UN in NYC).

Hillary is not a US diplomat.

Nor was Rove.

The USG has regulations governing use of USG information.

Whether either of the above are/were diplomats really doesn't factor into it.

When HRC was Sec of State she was a diplomat.

I watched the interview of the specific laws.

And she came under heavy rocket attack one time when flying into Kosovo too.

Heh...which later turned out to be another lie.

**Davis Knowlton** · 19-08-2015, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Black Heart

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

^Not sure I understand your point. American diplomats serve abroad, not in the US (with the exception of the UN in NYC).

Hillary is not a US diplomat.

Nor was Rove.

The USG has regulations governing use of USG information.

Whether either of the above are/were diplomats really doesn't factor into it.

When HRC was Sec of State she was a diplomat.

I watched the interview of the specific laws.

See the above posts, which are quite clear. I don't care what interview you watched on TV...you're wrong. She was not a diplomat, she was SecState.

**Black Heart** · 19-08-2015, 04:09 PM

I think some posters are confused.

Personal emails on the Govt server or Diplomatic emails from home email is not the issue mentioned in the last few posts.

It's the deletions.

It's about wiping the server clean (or allegedly wiping it clean).

From NPR:

In short:

The Federal Records Act requires agencies hold onto official communications, including all work-related emails, and government employees cannot destroy or remove relevant records.

The NARA regulations dictate how records should be created and maintained. They stress that materials must be maintained "by the agency," that they should be "readily found" and that the records must "make possible a proper scrutiny by the Congress."

Section 1924 of Title 18 has to do with deletion and retention of classified documents. "Knowingly" removing or housing classified information at an "unauthorized location" is subject to a fine or a year in prison.

Fact Check: Hillary Clinton, Those Emails And The Law : It's All Politics : NPR

**Storekeeper** · 19-08-2015, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by Black Heart

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Black Heart

But they did not delete their email, correct? Or, did they?

Karl Rove did though. Millions of White House emails but they were recovered many years later so it doesn't really matter.

Rove was not a diplomat.

My aim here is to know:

Is this a genuine issue / possible crime?

Or,

Is this not a legal issue? (But, a partisan hunt.)

I'm trying to know the real circumstances, as there is so much B.S. these days in such matters (e.g., Ken Star's hunt of Bill Clinton).

Stores, buddy, it's most certainly a legal issue. Classified documents on a non-secured server?

C'mon...

Dude ... What is up with you and bsnub answering posts as if you're talking to me when I'm not in the conversation?

**Black Heart** · 19-08-2015, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Originally Posted by Black Heart

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

^Not sure I understand your point. American diplomats serve abroad, not in the US (with the exception of the UN in NYC).

Hillary is not a US diplomat.

Nor was Rove.

The USG has regulations governing use of USG information.

Whether either of the above are/were diplomats really doesn't factor into it.

When HRC was Sec of State she was a diplomat.

I watched the interview of the specific laws.

See the above posts, which are quite clear. I don't care what interview you watched on TV...you're wrong. She was not a diplomat, she was SecState.

DN,

Thanks for this.

I stand to be corrected. (I admit when I'm wrong because I want to learn and work with the correct terms.

I thought the Sec of State was considered a diplomat, but this is not the case, although diplomatic regs are under the Secretary of State Department.

dip·lo·mat
ˈdipləˌmat/Submit
noun
an official representing a country abroad.
synonyms: ambassador, attaché, consul, chargé d'affaires, envoy, nuncio, emissary, plenipotentiary; archaiclegate
"a British diplomat working in Germany"
a person who can deal with people in a sensitive and effective way.
synonyms: ambassador, attaché, consul, chargé d'affaires, envoy, nuncio, emissary, plenipotentiary; archaiclegate
"a British diplomat working in Germany"

This stated and again, I am now corrected - the laws for emails and transparency DO and DID apply to HRC when she was Secretary of State.

**Boon Mee** · 19-08-2015, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Black Heart

I think some posters are confused.

Personal emails on the Govt server or Diplomatic emails from home email is not the issue mentioned in the last few posts.

It's the deletions.

It's about wiping the server clean (or allegedly wiping it clean).

From NPR:

In short:

The Federal Records Act requires agencies hold onto official communications, including all work-related emails, and government employees cannot destroy or remove relevant records.

The NARA regulations dictate how records should be created and maintained. They stress that materials must be maintained "by the agency," that they should be "readily found" and that the records must "make possible a proper scrutiny by the Congress."

Section 1924 of Title 18 has to do with deletion and retention of classified documents. "Knowingly" removing or housing classified information at an "unauthorized location" is subject to a fine or a year in prison.

Fact Check: Hillary Clinton, Those Emails And The Law : It's All Politics : NPR

What NPR isn't telling you stores is those emails she had on the illegal server(s) tucked away in that bathroom closet held top secret material.

Don't forget too that the 'Mom & Pop' email outfit she was using was not cleared for Classified Material.

**misskit** · 19-08-2015, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

And this supposedly intelligent woman had her illegal email servers in a bathroom closet?

The mind boggles...

Truly does that you come up with this crap.

How would Clinton know the servers were in a bathroom closet?

OH! You think SHE kept them in HER bathroom closet.

**panama hat** · 19-08-2015, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by misskit

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

And this supposedly intelligent woman had her illegal email servers in a bathroom closet?

The mind boggles...

Truly does that you come up with this crap.

How would Clinton know the servers were in a bathroom closet?

OH! You think SHE kept them in HER bathroom closet.

Oh dear . . . BM looks silly yet again

**Boon Mee** · 19-08-2015, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by misskit

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

And this supposedly intelligent woman had her illegal email servers in a bathroom closet?

The mind boggles...

Truly does that you come up with this crap.

How would Clinton know the servers were in a bathroom closet?

OH! You think SHE kept them in HER bathroom closet.

Point is she's utterly out of her depth here w/regard to the highest office in the land. Again, citing Bob Woodward who finds Hillary’s email predicament reminiscent of Watergate.

“So, you've got a massive amount of data in a way, reminds me of the Nixon tapes: Thousands of hours of secretly recorded conversations that Nixon thought were exclusively his.”

Oh sure: missing tapes, missing emails. What's the diff?

Bob Woodward: Clinton emails 'reminds me of the Nixon tapes' | Washington Examiner

**misskit** · 19-08-2015, 04:32 PM

^You thought she had them in her bathroom closet.

**panama hat** · 19-08-2015, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Point is

Point is - you're wrong yet again.

You're wrong and you build on that . . . you create stories to as fillers to your false idea, you do exactly what the right wing nutjobs do.

Create
Repeat
Cite your first comment (creation)
Build upon this falsehood
Believe in it as fact

That's what all of these ridiculous 'scandals' are about . . . how many scandals was Obama involved in, BM? Must be dozens . . . yet he is still a free man. Amazing

Benghazi
Benghazi
Benghazi
Benghazi
Benghazi
Benghazi
Benghazi
Benghazi
Benghazi
Benghazi

**Boon Mee** · 19-08-2015, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by misskit

^You thought she had them in her bathroom closet.

I never said that.

Don't be putting words into my mouth there Misskit.

Post #2481 said a bathroom closet. You Libs can't read?

**Boon Mee** · 19-08-2015, 04:40 PM

To reiterate:

"Yesterday we learned Hillary Clinton’s computer company, tiny Platte River Networks of Denver, Colorado, was not authorized to handle the classified and Top Secret material contained on her illicit email server.

Today we learn just how far from an authorized Top Secret shop it really was, courtesy of the UK Daily Mail, which talked to a few former employees of the company:

One, Tera Dadiotis, called it ‘a mom and pop shop’ which was an excellent place to work, but hardly seemed likely to be used to secure state secrets. And Tom Welch, who helped found the company, confirmed the servers were in a bathroom closet."

Clinton's Computer Company: Loft Apartment With Servers Stuffed In a Bathroom - Breitbart

**Boon Mee** · 19-08-2015, 04:44 PM

Remember this Lie:

Flashback: Hillary Clinton Says She Never Sent or Received Classified Information on Private Server.

This woman would rather tell a lie than ever come out with the truth...

**panama hat** · 19-08-2015, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

I never said that.

Don't be putting words into my mouth there Misskit.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

tucked away in that bathroom closet held top secret material.

Inference, dear BM. Inference

**harrybarracuda** · 19-08-2015, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by misskit

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

And this supposedly intelligent woman had her illegal email servers in a bathroom closet?

The mind boggles...

Truly does that you come up with this crap.

How would Clinton know the servers were in a bathroom closet?

OH! You think SHE kept them in HER bathroom closet.

Oh dear . . . BM looks silly yet again

As do most people when they try and use the Daily fucking Mail for serious conversation.

**Boon Mee** · 19-08-2015, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by misskit

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

And this supposedly intelligent woman had her illegal email servers in a bathroom closet?

The mind boggles...

Truly does that you come up with this crap.

How would Clinton know the servers were in a bathroom closet?

OH! You think SHE kept them in HER bathroom closet.

Oh dear . . . BM looks silly yet again

As do most people when they try and use the Daily fucking Mail for serious conversation.

Are you saying the information they printed is wrong?

Heh, that's right, when the National Enquirer broke the story on Jon Edwards it was ignored until it was true.

Where's Jon Edwards today?

**Humbert** · 19-08-2015, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

You Libs get your heads outa your collective asses and attend to the reality of what's going on with Grandma it'll be a fine day...

Baloney. Whatever her offenses were they certainly don't rise to the level of anything criminal like those of Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, etc.

**Boon Mee** · 19-08-2015, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

You Libs get your heads outa your collective asses and attend to the reality of what's going on with Grandma it'll be a fine day...

Baloney. Whatever her offenses were they certainly don't rise to the level of anything criminal like those of Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, etc.

Bert, what the hell are you talking about?

HRC et. al. voted for action in Iraq. Are you attempting to absolve any and all Democrats from responsibility?

**chuckd** · 19-08-2015, 06:15 PM

I spent over 30 years working on classified programs in both the US and the Middle East. We only dealt with DSS approved contractors.

Her use of that particular server are enough grounds for indictment and prosecution. Platte River had simply never received facility clearance from the Defense Security Service.

The only question is will an Obama appointed Attorney General bring charges against an Obama appointed Secretary of State.

By the way, the FBI doesn't investigate scandals. They only do criminal investigations.

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Hillarymail ‘Chain of Custody’ Request May Lead To Indictments

RICHARD POLLOCK
Reporter

10:27 PM 08/17/2015

Department of State officials refused to identify to a congressional committee the “chain of custody” – the complete list of people who had access to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private email server, according to The Daily Caller News Foundation’s investigation.

The request was made last spring by the House Select Committee on Benghazi probing the 2012 terrorist attack on the U.S. Consulate in which Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans were murdered.

The chain of custody evidence is essential to determining if Clinton or people close to her violated federal laws on handling of classified materials.

In a private meeting earlier this year between the State Department, Clinton’s representative and Benghazi committee staff, the committee asked State to identify the “chain of custody” of people who “touched” or otherwise had access to Clinton’s email and to additional copies, according to a knowledgeable congressional source.

The materials were sought “in order to identify those persons who had touched them and then for us to determine who might have violated classified handling procedures. And we got nothing,” the source said.

In a related development Monday, a federal judge with the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia ordered an accelerated hearing for Aug. 20 on whether to order discovery by attorneys for Judicial Watch on the State Department’s possession of Clinton’s servers, accounts, hard drives or other devices.

U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan ordered the State Department to respond no later than Wednesday to the non-profit watchdog’s request for discovery following repeated failures by the government to fulfill its obligations under the Freedom of Information Act.

Judicial Watch has filed multiple FOIA requests concerning Benghazi and the Hillarymail scandal. If the non-profit government watchdog is granted discovery, it would create many more potential legal problems for Clinton. She remains the leading candidate for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination but recent polls suggest the scandal is deeply undermining her credibility.

The “chain of custody” issue is important as federal officials have confirmed that at least 300 or more emails on Clinton’s server contained highly sensitive classified material and at least two were stamped “Top Secret,” the highest classification level within the intelligence community.

The Top Secret designation means information disclosed in that category “could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security,” according to Executive Order 13526, a December 2009 national security order signed by President Barack Obama.

As more is disclosed about the server or servers, the circle of people who came in contact with Clinton’s emails grows larger by the day.

In addition to close Clinton aides with access to her Chappaqua, N.Y., home where the private server was located, the committee is focusing its attention on attorneys from the Williams & Connolly law firm where David Kendall is “of counsel.”

Kendall is a long-time Clinton lawyer and confidante who represents the former secretary of state on the email server investigation.

Clinton gave Kendall a thumb drive with more than 30,000 State Department emails. He reportedly instructed his staff to review the thumb drive and print out hard copies for the department.

“We do know it was Kendall’s subordinates — the names for which we do not know — who did that search. But we don’t know who they are to this day,” the congressional source said.

Kendall has previously received various levels of clearances, most recently as the lawyer for former CIA Director David Petraeus, who pled guilty to mishandling classified materials by sharing documents with a mistress who was writing a book.

Petraeus could have received prison time but was sentenced to two years’ probation.

Kendall has maintained that he enjoyed a security clearance because of his work with Petraeus, but the congressional source told TheDCNF that, “I’d be floored if the attorneys had it for the review.”

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley told Kendall in a letter made public Monday that “it appears the FBI has determined that your clearance is not sufficient to allow you to maintain custody of the emails.”

The Iowa Republican noted that Kendall received the emails in December 2014, but it was only in May of this year that the State Department delivered a classified materials-certified safe to store the thumb drives.

After it was disclosed that “Top Secret” classified information was on the hard drive, Kendall was ordered to build a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility, or SCIF, at Williams & Connolly. A SCIF is a hardened room with very secure restrictions for access.

Grassley added, “since at least May 2015 and possibly December 2014, it appears that in addition to not having an adequate security clearance, you did not have the appropriate tools in place to secure the thumb drives.”

Other parties may have had unauthorized access to the Clinton materials if Kendall printed out the emails using either a commercial printing company or an unsecured Williams & Connolly copier machine.

To print out 30,000 paper emails, “it seems likely that [Kendall] would have contracted a commercial printing firm and then as a result, that has now been exposed to someone else,” observed Alex McGeorge, the head of threat intelligence at Immunity, Inc.

Even if Williams & Connolly printed out the 30,000 emails in-house, the best copiers are really computers with large storage capacity that would keep the classified information, McGeorge said.

The committee is also looking at Platte River Networks, a small IT company in Colorado that was under contract to upgrade and maintain Clinton’s server in July, 2013. TheDCNF reported Friday that Platte River was not certified by the Defense Department to handle classified materials.

Andy Boian, a spokesman for Platte River, confirmed in an interview Monday with TheDCNF that the backup Platte River driver was in New Jersey, not Colorado, but he refused to divulge further details.

Boian claimed the company is not the target of an investigation by the FBI or the Department of Homeland Security.

The highly sensitive nature of the material was confirmed by the inspector general for the Intelligence Community last month.

The IG, I. Charles McCullough, found at least two emails were classified “Top Secret/SI/TK/NOFORM.”

SI stands for “Special Intelligence,” meaning it was the product of an intercepted communication. TK represents “Talent Keyhole,” confirming the communication or image was obtained by satellite.

In court papers filed last Friday with U.S. District Court Judge Rudolph Contreras, the State Department conceded that as intelligence officials undertook a new review of Clinton’s emails, as many as 305 were identified as falling under some form of classification.

Jed Babbin, a former undersecretary for Defense under President George H. W. Bush, said the SI/TK classification is one of the highest clearances within the U.S. government and requires special approval.

“The stuff we’re talking about is SI/TK. It doesn’t matter if you have the clearance or not. You have to be cleared into the specific part of intelligence to do that.

“This is really, really serious,” he said, if it was “divulged to the public or to an enemy power they would be most likely to severely damage the United States. Not just to damage the United States. It would severely damage the United States. So this is big.”

TheDCNF contacted both the State Department and Kendall’s office seeking comment. Neither responded to our inquiries.

Read more: Hillary 'Chain of Custody' May Lead To Indictments | The Daily Caller

**S Landreth** · 19-08-2015, 06:19 PM

CNN/ORC poll out this morning

Clinton vs Bush – 53% - 41%
Clinton vs Trump – 52 - 43
Clinton vs Walker – 52 - 44
Clinton vs Fiorina – 52 - 40

HILLARY CLINTON AND IMMIGRATION

Supporting the DREAM Act.
Fighting for comprehensive immigration reform.
Expanding access to health care.
Job training for people with limited English proficiency.
Expanding opportunities to gain permanent residency.
Keeping families together.

__________

The least educated states of the union vote red.

States that voted for Democrat Barack Obama in the 2012 presidential election have, on average, better high school and college graduation rates than states that supported Republican Mitt Romney, according to U.S. Census data.

**Boon Mee** · 19-08-2015, 06:23 PM

Good research, chuck, and perhaps we can get some resolution to this out of control "Queen" (in her mind) who for some strange reason some deluded folks want to see in Big White.

Back to the ever-present LIV's who are much like the Pooyai running for offiice here and gives out one fliip flop. If you vote for him, you'll get the other one.

**Humbert** · 19-08-2015, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

HRC et. al. voted for action in Iraq. Are you attempting to absolve any and all Democrats from responsibility?

Based upon lies concocted by the Bush gang, given a pass by the press and served up to the world like a steaming pile of shit.

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