Thread: Mitt Romney

I think we did have it coming. Killing 3,000 people, however, wasn't justified.

The whole line about 'them' hating our 'freedom' is absurd.

Maybe one could now argue that our killing tens of thousands in Iraq makes another 9/11 even more likely.

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I don't believe that this is what the majority of Republican voters like to hear!

Originally Posted by surasak

I think we did have it coming.

Would you kindly elaborate on that thought?

^ Be very wary when throwing a boomerang - when it comes back (and it does) it may hit you from an unexpected angle

Originally Posted by surasak

I think Ron Paul was saying, in effect, that our failed policies in the Middle East led to 9/11 in the same way that out interference in Asia and sanctions led ultimately to Japan attacking us.

The USA was justified in economically strangling a rabidly fascist, expansionist Japan before the Pearl Harbor attack. But supporting corrupt bunker states all over the Middle East since the 1950's is far less prudent behavior by the USA. I don't see such a close parallel (and Dr. Paul probably doesn't either).

When a country intervenes in the internal affairs of other nations the citizens of said country shouldn't be surprised when the wheel comes turning in the other direction.

Expansionist Japan was not our problem (meddling in other nation's affairs is what dragged us into World War II) and the mess in the Middle East today is directly a result of our excessive consumption of one particular resource. It is precisely our oil dollars flowing into that region that give the governments the ability to keep down their people (and that is a large part of what makes them angry with us: ironically, it is about freedom, but, they aren't angry about our freedom). When we use our military and foreign aid to prop up corrupt totalitarian regimes why does it surprise us when incidents such as 9/11 take place?

Frankly we should be thankful it hasn't happened more often.

mitt romney's enlistment eligible sons have rightly become a campaign issue...

Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney on Wednesday defended his five sons' decision not to enlist in the military, saying they're showing their support for the country by "helping me get elected."

Romney's five sons range in age from 37 to 26 and have worked as real estate developers, sports marketers and advertising executives. They are now actively campaigning for their father and have a "Five Brothers" blog on Romney's campaign Web site.

Romney supports Bush's troop increase for now - USATODAY.com
Romney: Sons Serve Country By Campaigning, Presidential Hopeful Defends His Five Sons' Lack Of Military Service - CBS News

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

they have no desire to join the military, it's up to them.

don't they understand the 'threat' from the jihadis? hasn't mitt made that clear to them? how can he be qualified to be president if he can't impress upon his own family the perilous times in which we live?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

BTW, what's your obsession with the Bush twins anyhow?

i just wanted to know if the one who likes to hit the bottle is knocked-up? what's wrong with that?

It is clearly explained in the Book of Mormon that if the guy treats his missus OK they both get an entire planet to reign over when they die.

He probably figures a few years as POTUS would give useful experience.

And why not ?

There is nothing in US political history which precludes the election of a whack job.

The good thing about Mitt Romney is Hillary actually make him look good.
He's pretty smooth and ready for prime time unlike Hillary or OBama

Here is an article providing more on the background of Romney. It discusses his Mormon Mission in France in 1968.

Romney's life took a turn in France


By David Kirkpatrick
Published: November 14, 2007



E-Mail Article


WASHINGTON: In December 1968, Mitt Romney returned home from a Mormon mission in France to find a changed country.





While assassinations, race riots, sit-ins, and marches transformed his generation, Romney was cloistered for more than two years in a strict regimen of prayer and proselytizing. The missionaries were discouraged from indulging in newspapers, radio, television, or phone calls home.


They spent 12 hours a day knocking on doors, often ending up defending the Vietnam War or American race relations against tirades by the French. Romney was so removed from the tumult at home that he was surprised to learn that his father, George Romney, had turned against the war while campaigning for the 1968 Republican presidential nomination.


"There had been this whole revolution while we were gone," recalled Dane McBride, a close friend from the mission. "While we had gone from being adolescents to grown-ups with a lot of responsibility, our peers - from our perspective - were just tearing down the country, becoming dangerously childish." He added, "It just seemed deplorable."


It was the midpoint in a six-year immersion in the Church of Jesus Christ of

Latter-day Saints - first as a missionary and then at the church's Brigham Young University - that in many ways set the conservative course Romney would follow as a businessman, politician and now a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination.


He left for France a 19-year-old freshman at Stanford, a sheltered child of privilege full of ideas about how to shake up the French mission. He could be goofy, quoting Snoopy or Donald Duck in letters to friends and was considered the free spirit of his crowd, the one who sneaked off to movies (discouraged for missionaries) and ate coq au vin (controversial because of his church's prohibition on alcohol). He was a half-hearted Mormon whose beliefs, as he recalled in an interview, were "based on pretty thin tissue."

Link and Entire: Romney's life took a turn in France - International Herald Tribune

It's official. If the National Review endorses Romney, he's going to be the man.

^ So,

You think he'll be the nominee?

I think he's definitely in the running. I don't know how much leg, Huckabee has. We'll see.....

Originally Posted by Milkman

^ So,

You think he'll be the nominee?

I think he's definitely in the running. I don't know how much leg, Huckabee has. We'll see.....

Huckabee is the Walter Mondale of the Republican party. The Hildebeast would cream him.

If Romney was a WASP he would be a shoe in for the "re pub lick can" ass party. Prolly still is since nobody outside of the big cities can even pronounce Rudy's guido last name.

Romney is defiantly polished and a major ass kisser but he most likely will lose to Hillary and her neatly trimmed box.

Americans on the most part are totally fed up and disgusted with the Republican Party.

what a fucking liar this guy is...

Mitt Romney, who earlier this year had to backpedal on his hunting exploits, is explaining himself again after claiming an endorsement he did not receive and saying he witnessed his father in civil rights marches he could not have seen.

"It's a figure of speech," Romney said Thursday after media inquiries into the Republican presidential contender's statement during his recent religion speech that he watched his father, the late Gov. George Romney of Michigan, march with Martin Luther King Jr.


Romney, who was in high school at the time, later said he only heard of his father marching, and some historians have questioned whether his father, in fact, did march with King. The Romney campaign provided books and news articles it said supported his statement.

Romney said it was akin to him stating, "I saw my dad become president of American Motors." He told reporters in Iowa, "I wasn't there when he became president."

Romney similarly backtracked after telling a national television audience Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press" that "I received the endorsement of the NRA" in 2002 while running for governor of Massachusetts.


The gun rights group did not endorse either candidate, and gave a higher issues rating to his Democratic opponent.


Romney said Monday, "It was, if you will, a support phone bank, which is not an official endorsement."

Romney backpedals on statements - again - Mitt Romney News - MSNBC.com

If a candidate was clean-as-a-whistle, he'd be deemed to passive, not presidential.

You're waiting for someone who would never consider presidential politics. On both sides of the corridor. Shout them each down, one by one. At the end of the day you're disillusioned and unable to separate the chaff from the wheat. Information overload.

i assume you're responding to my post, but i haven't the slightest idea as to what you're on about....again.

i'm sure obama, huckabee, edwards, mccain have done and said things they regret...but they don't seem to be pathological liars like romney. he seems to lie just for the sake of lying.

everyone has faults---including presidential candidates. but this guy romney is such a charlatan that he lies about inconsequential matters....like the lie about how he saw his father marching with MLK.

with his ever changing positions on social issues i assumed he was merely unprincipled (like many politicians), but these most recent revelations reveal a more sinister side to his personality.

You know full well what I'm on about.

Presidents today approach the office deeply estranged from the government they propose to lead. Elections continually fail to reproduce a sense of political renewal. Campaigns stretch on for more than a year and long before its over, candidates and the public are exhausted and disgusted by the charade.

Primaries are the dominant role in the nominating process. Few voters participate and the relative influence of states is so likely to change that the results are an unreliable guide even to a candidates popularity much less his fitness to be president.

People get wrapped up in supporting a "side" and lose focus on the big picture.

You don't have to choose a side, choose a candidate.

Originally Posted by Texpat

You don't have to choose a side, choose a candidate.

That would be easy for ray if Hanoi Jane were running...

Pat Condell calls the Republican pandering to the Christian Right "Theo-Democracy," and says Mit Romney is a slave to Mormonism and cannot be elected.

^Horrible Paganistic religion. I have known some Mormons very well.

Originally Posted by chinthee

^Horrible Paganistic religion. I have known some Mormons very well.

Romney being Mormon is relevant to this thread because it is a campaign issue. Here are some sites. I am trying not to just put "anti" Mormon sites up, but also sites that don't blindly support Mormonism:

Mormonism, Church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints, examined and documented.

Recovery from Mormonism - the Mormon Church

TO THOSE WHO ARE INVESTIGATING "MORMONISM"


By RICHARD PACKHAM

Revisions as of October 6, 2007

If you are investigating Mormonism (the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" or "LDS Church"), you are probably studying it in private meetings in your home with missionaries from that church. Here are some of the key things that they are probably telling you:

• Mormonism began in 1820 when a teen-aged boy in western New York named Joseph Smith was spurred by a Christian revival where he lived to pray to God for guidance as to which church was true. In answer to his prayers he was visited by God the Father and God the Son, two separate beings, who told him to join no church because all the churches at that time were false, and that he, Joseph, would bring forth the true church. This event is called "The First Vision."In 1823 Joseph had
• another heavenly visitation, in which an angel named Moroni told him of a sacred history written by ancient Hebrews in America, engraved in an Egyptian dialect on tablets of gold and buried in a nearby hill. Joseph was told it was the history of the ancient peoples of America, and that Joseph would be the instrument for bringing this record to the knowledge of the world. Joseph obtained these gold plates from the angel in 1827, and translated them into English by the spirit of God and the use of a sacred instrument accompanying the plates called the "Urim and Thummim." The translation was published in 1830 as The Book of Mormon, now revered by Mormons as scripture, along with the Bible.
• The Book of Mormon is a religious and secular history of the inhabitants of the Western Hemisphere from about 2200 BC to about 421 AD. It tells the reader that three groups of immigrants settled the uninhabited Americas. They were led by God from their original homes in the Near East to America. The first group came from the Tower of Babel, about 2200 BC, and two other groups came from Jerusalem just before the Babylonian Captivity, about 600 BC. They had prophets of God who had been inspired with the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is thus preserved in their history, the Book of Mormon. Many of the descendants of these immigrants were Christians, even before Christ was born in Palestine, but many were unbelievers. Believers and unbelievers fought many wars, the last of which left only degenerate unbelievers as survivors, who are the ancestors of the American Indians. The most important event during this long history was the visit of Jesus Christ to America, after his crucifixion, when he ministered to (and converted) all the inhabitants.
• Joseph Smith was directed by revelation from God to reestablish ("restore") the true church, which he did in 1830. He was visited several times by heavenly messengers, who ordained him to the true priesthood. He continued to have revelations from God to guide the church and to give more knowledge of the Gospel. Many of these revelations are published in the Doctrine and Covenants, accepted by Mormons as scripture, along with the Bible and the Book of Mormon.
• Joseph Smith and his followers were continually persecuted for their religious beliefs, and driven from New York State to Ohio, then to Missouri, then to Illinois, where Joseph Smith was murdered in 1844 by a mob, a martyr to his beliefs. The church was then led by Brigham Young, Joseph's successor, to Utah, where the Mormons settled successfully.
• The LDS church is led today by the successors of Joseph Smith. The present president of the church is a "prophet, seer and revelator" just as Joseph Smith was, and guides the members of the church through revelations and guidance from God.

Link of above text: INVESTIGATING MORMONISM