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    Palestinian culture no more glorifies death than Jews glorify bacon. In fact their survival and ongoing identity in the face of both a wide diaspora and an occupied and largely colonised homeland is a considerable affirmation of life. The most out there jihad types, that the western press loves to quote and amplify, do not speak for most Pali's at all- who have always practised a mild form of Islam, although fundamentalism has grown with Hamas and the split of Palestine into two squabbling camps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Palestinian culture no more glorifies death than Jews glorify bacon.
    No? Then why all those Palestinian kids dressed up in suicide outfits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Palestinian culture no more glorifies death than Jews glorify bacon.
    No? Then why all those Palestinian kids dressed up in suicide outfits?
    And why do those Israeli squatters, even their kids, go and shoot Palistenians in their own groves? Israeli success is because of the largess--monetary, military, and diplomatic--by the US since the beginningn of Israeli occupation in 1948/49, not because of some mythical cultural superiority.

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    The Jewish people can rightfully take pride in their achievements, their culture too- although modern Jewish culture is largely adoptive of western culture and norms. But by gratuitously and frivolously running down another culture, Mitt has revealed himself to be about as clubfooted in diplomacy and international relations as the neo-cons. He made quite a splash at the Olympics too.

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    Dim Mitt is touting his tax plan while out on the road. Mitt the twit wants to screw most americans.

    Here’s what Mr. Obama says Mr. Romney’s tax plan would do to most Americans: Obama To Supporters: Romney Wants You To Pay More So ‘People Like Him Can Get A Big Tax Cut’

    “He’s not asking you to pay more to pay down the deficit,” Obama said. “He’s not asking you to pay more to invest in our children’s education or to rebuild our roads or put more folks back to work. He’s asking you to pay more so that people like him can get a big tax cut.”

    “In order to afford just one $250,000 tax cut for somebody like Mr. Romney, 125 families like yours would have to pay another $2,000 in taxes every year,” Obama warned. “Does that seem like a good plan for economic growth? Does that sound like a plan you can afford? How many of you want to pay another $2,000 to give Mr. Romney or me another tax break?”

    What Romney’s plan would do,……..

    Here’s how the plan would affect the average taxpayer in each income group. As the column labeled “revenue neutral” shows, all taxpayers making less than $200,000 would see their taxesgo up by hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars. In particular, families with children would see their taxes go up by $2,041, on average: New Analysis Shows Romney Tax Plan Would Raise Taxes On Middle Class Families By More Than $2,000




    And before any right-winger comes back with what Romney’s camp is saying about the study, here’s what Romney aides said about the TPC during the republican primaries.: Romney Camp Cited Same Think Tank They Now Denounce As 'Liberal'

    The Romney campaign is pushing back against a new study from researchers at the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center suggesting Mitt Romney’s tax proposals would actually increase taxes for a whopping a 95% of Americans, denouncing the Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Urban Institute and Brookings Institution, as a “liberal” group. While the Romney campaign hasn’t rebutted the substance of the study, they claim the Tax Policy Center should be dismissed entirely as a biased source.

    But the Obama campaign notes that Romney aides took a very different view of the group when they put out a similar analysis of Rick Perry’s tax plan during the Republican primaries. Here’s how a Romney press release in November described their work: Objective, Third-Party Analysis Showed Governor Perry’s Plan Would Raise Taxes On Millions Of American Families – But He Doesn’t Seem Interested In The Discussion.


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    is mitt romney the best example imaginable of a RINO (republican in name only)?

    lots of right wing bloggers use this term to deride a republican politician who they've concluded is not conservative enough.....do a search on this forum to see which posters use this term and which politicians they're labeling with the RINO tag.

    john mccain, lindsey graham, chuck hagel, olympia snowe, etc...



    but none of them seem to be using it for romney these days.....

    how is that possible?

    let's run over the romney record on the issues that matter most to conservatives....


    he gave money from his personal checkbook to planned parenthood.

    he signed legislation on gun control as governor

    he personally went hat in hand to congress for hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars to bail out the olympics

    he created the blueprint for what is referred to as obama care as governor.




    how is romney anything but a RINO?

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    ^^^
    The point is that Israeli culture, no matter how superior it may or may not be, had less to do with it's "success", such as it is, than with the riches and protection of the USA for the past 50+ years. Israel has made some smart decisions along the way, but smart decisions are made in every culture every day. Dim Mitt seems to have missed that. Surprise.

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    ^since 1996 the USA has pumped 1.8 billion into the Palestinian Authority.

    Their own leaders are the ones doing the looting and holding them back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    He made quite a splash at the Olympics too.
    Why?

    By calling into question the lack of security?

    A born leader with the right vision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    ^since 1996 the USA has pumped 1.8 billion into the Palestinian Authority.

    Their own leaders are the ones doing the looting and holding them back.
    Israel gets about 2.5 times that amount, every year. Then there's military aid. Israel restricts Palestinian trade...it's essentially under Israeli military occupation. It simplifies things for Mitt and his ilk: in that view, the superior culture is the one in the jack boots.

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    Heh...back to the Pali's lack of culture for a minute. When Israel left Gaza, they left these wonderful greenhouses where the Israelis grew food. What did the Paleostineians do with them? They destroyed them. That's a fine example of how great Paleostinian culture is. They're starving in Gaza and they destroy a place to grow food.

    Don't forget the bomb belts either. Before the wall went up, innocents were getting slaughtered left and right.
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    Innocent Palistenians from the inception of Israel.

    Easy for anybody who is not drinking the same kool-aid as Mitt.

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    The Kool-Aid drinkers are the ones who are just plain antisemitic. In the Pali's schools, they teach hatred of the Jews. They refuse to recognize Israel. They don't want peace and their own state as much as they want the destruction of Israel and the death of all of the Jews. And they're offended by a plain-as-the-nose-on-your-face-fact what Mitt Romney said?

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    Is anybody else finding it funny that Mitt the Twit, flip-flopper extraordinaire, has vowed to repeal Obamacare on his first day in office?

    Yet not only was he the one who brought Universal Healthcare to Massachusetts, but he also took the opportunity to praise Israel's Health Care system. Which just happens to have an invidivual mandate?

    Further more, Obama called in Mitt the Twit's own Healthcare advisers to help them put Obamacare together!



    He's also flipped several times on Abortion and Gun ownership.

    He's a charlatan who is faking every position he takes just to get elected.

    He's going to get ripped to shreds in the debates, can't wait.



    Romney lauds Israeli health care system

    By Matt Viser Globe Staff / August 1, 2012


    WASHINGTON — Mitt Romney’s praise for the Israeli health care system, made near the end of his foreign trip, followed him as he returned home Tuesday, raising eyebrows because he lauded a system that has more government control than the Obama health law Romney so strenuously faults.



    US-Israel health indicators





    Romney, speaking to donors Monday, commented on how Israel — a “pretty healthy nation” — spends far less on health care than the United States does. Israel’s success in controlling costs is often attributed to the heavy role of its government and a requirement that everyone have coverage, some of the same qualities Romney condemns in the health law Obama authored.

    “We have to find ways, not just to provide health care to more people, but to find ways to finally manage our health care costs,” Romney said during the fund-raiser at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem.

    Romney’s praise for Israel’s health care system was greeted with some surprise.

    “We’re laughing — for a Republican to praise the Israeli health care system, which is managed care, universal coverage, with no small amount of federal government control and oversight,” said Karen Feinstein, president and chief executive of the Pennsylvania-based Jewish Healthcare Foundation, which has been studying the differences between the Israeli and US health care systems.

    The comments are yet another example of an off-message moment during a six-day foreign trip that tested Romney’s diplomatic skills, and frayed the nerves of some of his campaign aides.

    Romney did not praise all aspects of the Israeli health care system, focusing mostly on its ability to keep costs low.

    “Our health care costs are completely out of control,” he said. “Do you realize what health care spending is as a percentage of the [gross domestic product] in Israel? Eight percent. You spend 8 percent of GDP on health care. . . . We spend 18 percent of our GDP on health care. Ten percentage points more.”

    Health care and left-leaning bloggers Tuesday were all too eager to explain to the candidate the cost-saving lesson he should take from the Israelis: more government regulation is sometimes a good thing.

    Romney’s campaign said it was a stretch to view his comments as praising the entire Israeli health care system, saying he was simply commenting on its lower costs and was criticizing the US system more than he was praising the Israeli one.

    “The governor was criticizing our broken health care system and the failure of Obamacare to address the health care challenges facing our country,” said a Romney campaign spokesman, Ryan Williams.

    Israel’s national health care system, created in 1995, provides universal coverage by requiring citizens to join one of four competing insurance plans that, by law, have to provide certain base-level services. The plans cannot reject customers because of preexisting conditions.


    The nonprofits that provide the plans receive funding through the state’s graduated income tax. There are some out-of-pocket payments, such as visits to specialists and pharmaceuticals, and the plans do not cover dental or eye care.

    Kevin Tabb, the chief executive of Boston-based Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, spent most of his adult life in Israel, including medical school and residency. He said the system in Israel is much different from the one in the United States.

    Health care there is treated more as a right, like education, he said, and is not driven by business.

    “It’s a system heavily regulated by the government — health care is provided to all citizens — and not, for the most part, governed by markets,” Tabb said.

    Of Romney’s comments, Tabb said it is hard to separate out the country’s relatively low costs from the ways in which the system is set up.

    “If you’re going to point to a system as an example of controlling costs and achieving better outcomes, then we’re going to need to acknowledge that that system is very, very different than a system he would find acceptable,” Tabb said. “It is interesting that he was complimentary of a system that involves national health care.”

    There are some downsides to the Israeli health care system, which could be some reasons why the costs are lower. The country’s hospitals — many of which are government-owned and operated — are often over capacity, which means patients are routinely kept on gurneys in hallways or in waiting rooms. For nonemergency procedures, such as a hip replacement, patients may have to wait several months.

    But the system focuses closely on preventive care, and Israel has one of the highest life-expectancy rates in the world.

    “I commend Governor Romney for recognizing there are other systems around the world that deliver high-quality care at a much lower cost and are very different than the ones we have in the US,” Tabb said. “I’m not sure he wants to be commended for that.”

    Romney on Tuesday wrapped up his foreign trip, which was marked several times by statements that diverted from the messages he wanted to drive.

    On Tuesday, for example, Romney was hoping to end his three-country trip with a speech in Warsaw that highlighted Polish-American ties, the “enduring spirit” of the Polish people, and the country’s improving economy.

    But his speech was temporarily overshadowed by one of Romney’s aides, who reprimanded reporters for shouting questions at Romney as he walked to his car after a visit to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Warsaw.

    “Kiss my [expletive]. This is a holy site for the Polish people,” said Rick Gorka, a campaign spokesman. “Show some respect.”


    “Shove it,” Gorka told one reporter. Gorka, who was a spokesman for Charlie Baker, a Massachusetts Republican gubernatorial candidate , later apologized.

    Reporters were attempting to get Romney to respond to his remark Monday about how Israeli culture helped make Israelis more prosperous than Palestinians, and whether he thought his gaffes were overshadowing his trip. Although Romney did several network television interviews during his trip — and spoke with two Israeli newspapers — he has not fielded questions from the traveling press corps since Thursday, when he took three questions outside of London’s 10 Downing Street.

    “I realize that there will be some in the Fourth Estate, or in whichever estate, who are far more interested in finding something to write about that is unrelated to the economy, to geopolitics, to the threat of war, to the reality of conflict in Afghanistan today, to a nuclearization of Iran,” Romney told Fox News’s Carl Cameron on Tuesday. “They’ll instead try to find anything else to divert from the fact that these last four years have been tough years for our country.”

    On Tuesday, Romney’s campaign sought to shift gears, stoking anew speculation over his vice presidential pick — and when it will be announced. Beth Myers, who is running Romney’s vice presidential search, said “the historic announcement is getting closer,” adding that the announcement would be made through a new smartphone app that will allow supporters to get the first official word.

    Users of the app, which is called “Mitt’s VP,” will get a notification on their phone as soon as the choice is announced.

    The choice seems unlikely to be announced this week. Romney’s wife, Ann, is expected to be in the United Kingdom on Thursday to watch her horse compete in the Olympic dressage competition. Ann Romney has been an integral part of the campaign, and it would be unusual for a candidate’s spouse not to attend the announcement of a running mate.

    On Tuesday, Romney’s campaign also released an ad that shows the candidate speaking directly into the camera. With an air of folksiness, he drives an automobile and delves into his biography as a businessman, Olympics leader, and Massachusetts governor.

    The ad — a 60-second spot titled “Believe in Our Future” — is the type of positive message some Republicans have been urging Romney to adopt, one that markets his biography and his ideas to voters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
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    The Kool-Aid drinkers are the ones who are just plain antisemitic. In the Pali's schools, they teach hatred of the Jews. They refuse to recognize Israel. They don't want peace and their own state as much as they want the destruction of Israel and the death of all of the Jews. And they're offended by a plain-as-the-nose-on-your-face-fact what Mitt Romney said?
    As in the above post, Mitt the Twit is just saying what the Jewish voters want to hear. He wants their votes, he doesn't give a fuck about Israel. Bain even had an office in Teheran, presumably while he was the only CEO in corporate history not to actually do anything for $100k a year.


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    ^^^^ It's pretty easy to see how the intractable and irresponsible position of the Palestinian Authority is largely the reason peace in the ME is so illusive.

    Israel isn't just going to go away.

    If they refuse to accept Israel's existence therein lie the core problem.

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    When Mitt ran against Ted Kennedy he claimed to be to the "left" (as if this is a left-right issue. . .) of Kennedy on gay rights. I hope someone will ask him if he has changed his mind since then, and why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
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    The Kool-Aid drinkers are the ones who are just plain antisemitic. In the Pali's schools, they teach hatred of the Jews. They refuse to recognize Israel. They don't want peace and their own state as much as they want the destruction of Israel and the death of all of the Jews. And they're offended by a plain-as-the-nose-on-your-face-fact what Mitt Romney said?
    As in the above post, Mitt the Twit is just saying what the Jewish voters want to hear. He wants their votes, he doesn't give a fuck about Israel. Bain even had an office in Teheran, presumably while he was the only CEO in corporate history not to actually do anything for $100k a year.
    Bottom line, Harry...it doesn't matter w/regard to Mitt's possible pandering to the Jewish voters. What does matter is removing this horrid thing that is presently in Big White. It's an abomination that he was elected in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robuzo
    When Mitt ran against Ted Kennedy he claimed to be to the "left" (as if this is a left-right issue. . .) of Kennedy on gay rights. I hope someone will ask him if he has changed his mind since then, and why.
    he will say or do anything to get elected.

    he has no ideological core whatsoever.

    it amazes me that true conservatives are rallying around this guy....because he's everything they profess to despise.

    actually, i've been thinking a little bit about this recently.....i think republican operatives have a very strong suspicion that romney's going to lose...and their revised agenda is to simply try and weaken the president with vicious attack ads during the campaign so that it will increase the partisan divide and get in the way of any real progress between now and '14 and '16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey
    he has no ideological core whatsoever.
    Obama is no ideologue either- he's a calculating politician, who willingly trashes ideology (ME peace process) and even common sense (the Public option) at the altar of political expedience. Ya gotta laugh at all that Cold war type rhetoric emanating from the RW blogosphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
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    The Kool-Aid drinkers are the ones who are just plain antisemitic. In the Pali's schools, they teach hatred of the Jews. They refuse to recognize Israel. They don't want peace and their own state as much as they want the destruction of Israel and the death of all of the Jews. And they're offended by a plain-as-the-nose-on-your-face-fact what Mitt Romney said?
    As in the above post, Mitt the Twit is just saying what the Jewish voters want to hear. He wants their votes, he doesn't give a fuck about Israel. Bain even had an office in Teheran, presumably while he was the only CEO in corporate history not to actually do anything for $100k a year.
    Bottom line, Harry...it doesn't matter w/regard to Mitt's possible pandering to the Jewish voters. What does matter is removing this horrid thing that is presently in Big White. It's an abomination that he was elected in the first place.
    FFS BM, stop sulking and accept it was the will of the people.

    It was an abomination that GW got elected the second time, that was a fucking fix.


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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey
    he (romney) has no ideological core whatsoever.
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    Obama is no ideologue either-
    IMO there's quite a bit of difference between not being an ideologue and completely lacking an ideological core.



    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    he's a calculating politician
    no one has become president of the US without being a calculating politician.


    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    willingly trashes ideology (ME peace process) and even common sense (the Public option) at the altar of political expedience.
    in this day and age, this is what politicians are supposed to do (IMO).....find middle ground and pass legislation that will help the majority of americans.

    two of my greatest disappointments with the obama administration are that guantanamo is still open and they didn't push harder for the public option. however, the current health care law is a good start that will probably only get strong in the coming decades, and i have some hope for the closing of guantanamo in his second term.

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    The one person that could actually do some good for the USA has already been named unelectable by the Jewish owned Media. Ron Paul. If it is a toss up between another term for the Black Tony Blair, Obama or this clown then I really worry for the future of the USA. Because
    IT DOESN'T HAVE ONE !
    Treat everyone as a complete and utter idiot and you can only ever be pleasantly surprised !

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    It almost does seem to be a completely pointless election. As long as the powerful have America by the balls, it doesn't really matter who's handing the cash to them, does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    he will say or do anything to get elected.

    he has no ideological core whatsoever.
    I with Sabang on this. Obama does not have a core. BO ran an idealistic campaign but once he got into office it was business as usual. (I realize that Presidents cannot alter much.) But look at what he hasn't even addressed?

    As for Mitt not having a core ideologically, I do not think he does - and this is a good thing, IMO. Some people say Mitt reminds them of Bill Clinton. He's not Bill, but he not an ideologue.

    it amazes me that true conservatives are rallying around this guy....because he's everything they profess to despise.
    Mitt is not the conservatives first choice - but he is the only choice.
    ............

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