Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

Originally Posted by jamescollister

FB, where in the NIST report does it mention extensive foundation damage.
Are you saying the report covered that fact up.

It's been noted in several reports that debris from the towers pushed outward from under ground and damaged the foundation of several surrounding buildings including WTC7.

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Can't edit so here ya go for one quick example.

1. The major concern at that time was number Seven, building number Seven, which had taken a big hit from the north tower. When it fell, it ripped steel out from between the third and sixth floors across the facade on Vesey Street. We were concerned that the fires on several floors and the missing steel would result in the building collapsing. –FDNY Chief Frank Fellini

2. At that time, other firefighters started showing up, Deputy Battalion Chief Paul Ferran of the 41 Battalion, and James Savastano of the First Division assigned to the Second Battalion showed up and we attempted to search and extinguish, at the time which was small pockets of fire in 7 World Trade Center. We were unaware of the damage in the front of 7, because we were entering from the northeast entrance. We weren't aware of the magnitude of the damage in the front of the building. – FDNY Captain Anthony Varriale http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110313.PDF

17. The whole south side of Seven World Trade had been hit by the collapse of the second Tower. – Fire Captain Brenda Berkman (Susan Hagen and Mary Carouba, Women at Ground Zero, 2002, p. 213)

Took hits from both towers...

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7li...tsofwtc7damage
And there's this..



Not hard to find either if you did a modicum of research of OTHER sources which is what is always claimed that we don't do?

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^You're fvckin' ridiculous son

Do you reckon the boeing side-footed through the left gap (after folding up its wings and self-vapourising it's 10 tonne engines) or ducked through the right sliver (after doing the same)?

Observing the collapse of 47-story WTC 7 shows it to have all of the features of an implosion engineered by controlled demolition.

• The collapse of the main structure commences suddenly (several seconds after the penthouse falls).
• The building sinks in a precisely vertical manner into its footprint.
• Puffs of dust emerge from the building's facade early in the event.
• The collapse is total, producing a rubble pile only about three stories high.
• The main structure collapses totally in under 7 seconds, only about a second slower than it would take a brick dropped from the building's roof to reach the ground in a vacuum.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/wtc7/demolition.html

The evidence points to a combination of unfought fire and damage which brought down the WTC 7. That's what the NIST draft said as well. The Bankers Trust was also constructed differently, with a web column design. The interior columns were not pushed out to the perimeter.

Note the WTC columns laid out as if there were a path to the building. There are no concrete slabs attached to columns.

With the floors pancaking straight down, the perimeter walls were free to lean over in tall sections before breaking off and coming down. That's what gave them distance.

Note the bold and highlighted sentence which is contrary to the claim that the NIST draft did not mention structural damage? Not ALL of the debris was top side either, the entire surrounding underground was hollow with 7 sub level stories in depth with shops, parking, and subways connecting the entire complex. Just where do you think all that debris went? It's one reason why it took so long to dig out and why it smoldered for weeks and why the above ground piles are not as high as they would have been.




The above photo illustrates just how far the perimeter columns could have gone. If the columns didn't break up as they leaned out they could have made a path to the Hudson river. Reaching Building 7 and the Winter Garden would have been well within reason.

The last piece of evidence is the standing perimeter columns. You can see what's left of the steel plates which hold the floors up. The tremendous weight stripped them off as the floors were on their way down.




As generally accepted by structural engineering and structural mechanics experts (though not by some laymen and fanatics seeking to detect a conspiracy), the failure scenario, broadly proposed by Bazant (2001), and Bazant and Zhou (2002), on the basis of simplified analysis, and supported by very realistic, meticulous and illuminating computer simulations and exhaustive investigations by S. Shyam Sunder's team at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST, 2005), may be summarized as follows:

1. About 60% of the 60 columns of the impacted face of framed-tube (and about 13% of the total of 287 columns) were severed, and many more were significantly deflected. This caused stress redistribution, which significantly increased the load of some columns, near the load capacity for some of them.

2. Fire insulation was stripped during aircraft impact by flying debris (without that, the towers would likely have survived). In consequence, many structural steel members heated up to 600±C (NIST 2005) (the structural steel used loses about 20% of its yield strength already at 300±C, NIST 2005, and exhibits significant visco-plasticity, or creep, above 450±, especially at high stresses that developed; see e.g. Cottrell 1964, p. 299; the press reports right after 9/11, indicating temperature in excess of 800±C, turned out to be groundless, but Bazant and Zhou's analysis did not depend on that).

3. Differential thermal expansion, combined with heat-induced viscoplastic deformation, caused the floor trusses to sag. The sagging trusses pulled the perimeter columns inward (by about 1 m, NIST 2005). The bowing of columns served as a huge imperfection inducing multi-story buckling. The lateral deflections of some columns due to aircraft impact and differential thermal expansion also decreased buckling strength.

4. The combination of six effects

a) overload of some columns due to initial stress redistribution,
b ) lowering of yield limit and creep,
c) lateral deflections of many columns due to sagging floor trusses,
d) weakened lateral support due to reduced in-plane stiffess of sagging floors,
e) multi-story buckling of some columns (for which the critical load is an order of magnitude less than it is for one-story buckling), and
f) local plastic buckling of heated column webs finally led to buckling of columns (Fig. 1b). As a result, the upper part of tower fell, with little resistance, through at least one floor height, impacting the lower part of tower. This triggered progressive collapse because the kinetic energy of the falling upper part far exceeded the energy that could be absorbed by limited plastic deformations and fracturing in the lower part of tower. (Bazant, Verdure, 2006)

Index of /people/bazant/PDFs/Papers
/ProgressiveCollapseWTC-6-23-2006.pdf



For a detailed account of the collapse, do yourself a favor and READ ALL the NIST FINAL reports. Any conspiracy site which gives you the old preliminary reports are being dishonest. There is incredible detail which mirror the evidence of the event in each of the reports below.

Towers Collapse - Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and controlled demolition

Next step no doubt is to dismiss and try to discredit the links and info as some official government brain wash.. The thing is I and most others here are fully educated and capable of disseminating this info and deciding for ourselves whether or not it's valid.

Originally Posted by Neo

The US gov NIST report said that it was fire that brought WTC7 down, nothing about foundation damage.

Even if as NIST state:

"Our study found that the fires in WTC 7, which were uncontrolled but otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings, caused an extraordinary event," said NIST WTC Lead Investigator Shyam Sunder.

What is more extraordinary than fire bringing down a steel construction is that the building, damaged on one side, came down symmetrically, within seconds, into it's own footprint.

Nonsense, and besides can you not see the damage with your own eyes and do the actual credible witnesses on the ground not have professional eyes of their own? Pure bollocks, I'm in the states so it's daytime here but it's apparent that the rest of your are not getting enough sleep and that delusion and paranoia has crept in, look out your window now the evil black suits are coming!!

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

b ) lowering of yield limit and creep,

(could have highlighted all of your shit - but this was stand-out )

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Do you reckon the boeing side-footed through the left gap (after folding up its wings and self-vapourising it's 10 tonne engines) or ducked through the right sliver (after doing the same)?

Photoshopped to death.. Unlike you I saw live shots with my own eyes and the opening was MUCH larger then that.. FYI I was posting about the WTC7 anyway, nice, typically attempted deflection though, par for the course when debating with nutters for them not to actually examine the evidence before posting rubbish and deflecting away from the topic.

Most yanks are thicker than a family of fat spastics nailed to two short planks.
I tell thee

Originally Posted by Neo

The US gov NIST report said that it was fire that brought WTC7 down, nothing about foundation damage.

Even if as NIST state:

"Our study found that the fires in WTC 7, which were uncontrolled but otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings, caused an extraordinary event," said NIST WTC Lead Investigator Shyam Sunder.

What is more extraordinary than fire bringing down a steel construction is that the building, damaged on one side, came down symmetrically, within seconds, into it's own footprint.

It's not so amazing if you understand anything about structural engineering and even if you don't you're capable of comprehending a report that explains it in great detail and simple terms.

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Photoshopped to death

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Most yanks are thicker than a family of fat spastics nailed to two short planks.

less than a minute I believe to prove my point

THOSE ARE THE FUCKING PICTURES THAT WERE IN ALL THE NEWSPAPERS THE NEXT DAY YOU FVCKING RETARD

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Nonsense

Whatever

Originally Posted by Albert Shagsnastier ladyboys

Most yanks are thicker than a family of fat spastics nailed to two short planks.
I tell thee

So it seems that, based on your personal attacks it suggests that you agree and have no real intelligible counter point.. Well done then, time to move on, my work here is done..

Enron’s financial affiliates were also accused of manipulating the gold market by GATA. Enron had become a major distribution channel for gold derivatives such as those sold by Barrick Gold. Questions were being asked about whether or not there were real gold mining operations to back the derivatives. The FBI led an investigation into gold price-fixing, and the records of this investigation were kept in the FBI office on the 23rd floor of the North Tower of the World Trade Center. 9/11 helped prevent these records from becoming public knowledge. Note that this was the same FBI office where the FBI’s Bin Laden investigator John Patrick O’Neill met his death on 9/11. The Securities and Exchange Commission held an office in World Trade Center 7, adjacent to the twin towers. Although other neighboring buildings suffered minimal damage from the collapse of the towers, this building was literally vapourized. On September 17th 2001, we came to know that the Securities and Exchange Commission had lost many files in the collapse of World Trade Center 7. To quote,

The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency’s major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. The EEOC said documents from about 45 active cases were missing and could not be easily retrieved from any backup system.

Speculation was rife that these were Enron’s files, and without these, Enron’s disappearing assets could never be recovered. To this day, the Securities and Exchange Commission has been mum about who these files were about. They responded to a 2009 Freedom of Information request by a 911 Truther, claiming that they could not find a bibliography of investigation records stored at the SEC offices formerly located within floors 11-13, of World Trade Center building 7.

That's handy...

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Nonsense

Whatever

Striking riposte..

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Photoshopped to death

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Most yanks are thicker than a family of fat spastics nailed to two short planks.

less than a minute I believe to prove my point

THOSE ARE THE FUCKING PICTURES THAT WERE IN ALL THE NEWSPAPERS THE NEXT DAY YOU FVCKING RETARD

BS! Not in that context, I SAW the hole myself as did millions of others and THOSE were from a source that photo shopped them!

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by Albert Shagsnastier ladyboys

Most yanks are thicker than a family of fat spastics nailed to two short planks.
I tell thee

So it seems that, based on your personal attacks it suggests that you agree and have no real intelligible counter point.. Well done then, time to move on, my work here is done..

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

BS! Not in that context, I SAW the hole myself as did millions of others and THOSE were from a source that photo shopped them!

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

time to move on, my work here is done..