9/11 was an inside job

**koman** · 02-08-2014, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by koman

The CIA was briefing Rice and Bush about "attacks" almost daily, for years.

Erm I'm with on most points so far Koman but I can't let this oversight slide. The attacks happened only 8 months into Bush's term, a tumultuous time of transition when not much productive gets done which is why a 6 year term should be considered for the modern more complicated age, but that's another topic altogether.

The shoddy intelligence and lack of action came from the previous administration who decided to coast through their time in office and pass the problem on.

Yes, my bad on that one....

I should have said something like "briefing the White House" because as you quite rightly point out, GW Bush and Condi, were still pretty fresh on the job. The point I was trying to make was that the intelligence community were aware of potential attacks against America and American assets, for years before 9/11. There had been many threats, and a number of attacks, including a previous one on the WTC.

The problem as always is being able to determine which threats are the real ones, because there had been a great many intercepts, most of which never materialized into anything.

After 9/11 and with a generous dose of hindsight, it was determined that a great deal of evidence of the pending attack on the WTC was there, but it was not acted upon, because of the fragmented nature of the intel, and a serious lack of co-ordination and communication between the different agencies who seemed to be more concerned about protecting their own turf than national security.

The current debate is about 28 pages of "classified" material contained in the 9/11 official report... I've suggested some reasons for why this part of the report is being kept classified; which according to one or two of our core tin hat group, makes me stupid and some kind of shill.....

I'm just as curious to know what's in those 28 pages as anyone, but I also understand that there are reasons why it could do more harm than good to declassify them.

There are still parts of the Warren report which will not be released until 2038

**ENT** · 02-08-2014, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by koman

Well there you have it. Now that ENT's latest video masterpiece assures us that the CIA and military has technology that is 50-100 years of anything we can even imagine, it all becomes clear.

So after all the argument and analysis we can now dismiss the idea of the WTC being hit by Cessna's, Jet fighters, Black planes, white planes, drones, and missiles which have all been identified by "witnesses".

Instead we have holograms projected from stealth aircraft flying alongside, and an entire special effects masterpiece taking place. Pretty hard to argue against such compelling evidence.

Fuk me, we must be all blind for not seeing this before.....

Apart from that, it's interesting to watch you and FBorn back-pedaling in the last few pages like a pair of Olympic champs in a shit-crek going uphill.

Now your song is "Yup, 9/11 was an inside job!.....but we ain't telling how much it was!!!"

**koman** · 02-08-2014, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by ENT

Now your song is "Yup, 9/11 was an inside job!.....but we ain't telling how much it was!!!"

How in the world do you form your conclusions ENT? Have you had an chance to glance over those 28 pages yourself....???..

**bsnub** · 02-08-2014, 08:07 AM

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**terry57** · 02-08-2014, 08:56 AM

^

Simply the most accurate post made on this bullshit thread.

And proves once and for all ENT is the King nutter.

**pseudolus** · 02-08-2014, 08:57 AM

The sorry fact is that no one really cares who did it anymore, certainly not the wind bags running the powerful countries around the world. They got what they wanted - a nice profitable decade of war, with enough anger and hatred stirred up to fuel another decades worth.

People don't care about "who done it's" anymore. We are conditioned to keep glued to the live streaming media circus and never ask questions. Slaves. That's what the people of the world have become.

"Think outrage" is the constant message. Never "Think who did this, who gained, what is logical /illogical". Just "outrage - do something - take more of our liberties away to protect us - kill those poor people with dark skins for us".

Still this never ending strategy of creating Fear into the people of the western world. Why? Why does this work so well?

We are so well conditioned on how to react in a situation when we are fearful - mostly Flight rather than Fight, and this is logical. In all walks of life, we are conditioned that when scary shit happens, follow exactly what someone in authority tells us to do. On a ferry. On a plane. In our office blocks during fire drills. Loads of examples. We are conditioned to find solace from fear by handing over control and our ability to think for ourselves to the people we "trust" to see us through it.

They use exactly this to tip toe towards the totalitarian state we are sleep walking towards. Create Fear. Government tells us what to do and how they are going to protect us. We nod and say thanks.

So how is FEAR being used today to justify horrendous activities by governments as well as by other insidious groups.

Hamas uses Fear to get the Palestinian people to vote for them.
Anti Semites use Fear to get people hating Jewish people
Zionists use Fear to get Israelis to accept their countries genocide of Palestine.
Zionist lobby groups use Fear of being called an AntiSemite to shut up people who might oppose them.
Governments and neocons/libs use Fear of Islam to get people to passively accept their wars.
Extremist Muslims use Fear of the US / West to increase the hate, supply soldiers.
Fear of all of the above to have no personal liberty any more.
Fear of poverty to increase taxes, give big business a free ride to not pay taxes.
Fear of Russia to start the next cold war.
Fear of US funded and armed ISIS to continue to call for an invasion Syria.

.... oh the list goes on and on and on.... you must be full of Fear all the time.

I don't care when people call me a tin hatter. You know the best thing about being a tin hatter? Really... you are no longer affected by the fear campaigns to manipulate you. You see it, understand what is happening, and ignore it or try to think what is really at the route of it all. What do they want from this Fear? Usually to start or continue a war somewhere.

What should Israelis be more scared of. Hamas Rockets or Driving to work?

2013 - ZERO deaths from rockets and mortars in Israel. 1 Palestinian killed in retaliation by Israel. 303 israelis killed in traffic accidents. Do they bomb GM and Ford?

2014 - before israels attack on Gaza, 1 israeli injured by rocket fire, 1 Palestinian killed in revenge. Average of what, 150 road deaths?

Fear. Fear is the tool these people around the world use.

What better way to get every type of war the neocons/libs want than 9/11. Has it all. Every aspect of your life has been impinged upon because of this (not least in invasive aggressive taxation and collection to fund the WAR ON TERROR).

I remember as a kid having nightmares because I saw on TV that the USSR had trained their nuclear missiles on England. I remember that week very clearly. Pure unadulterated fear. I remember the weekly IRA Bomb scares at my school. Scares. Not real, scares. I remember being walked to the sports field all of us shitting ourselves. How I hated the Irish, and how I wanted the British Army to kill them all because of these animals trying to bomb me. Event after event being told to be scared. Be afraid. We will protect you, but be scared and do what we tell you to.

I see fear in all the writing on this forum by people supporting death, war, racism, bigotry. Fear. So scared having had it drummed into them all by the media, hollywood, the press, the governments, the lobbyists. Conditioned responses to fear. Posters like Necron, decent enough type, posts up page after page of Muslim kills Muslim articles in some shit hole that mostly through poverty is stuck int he dark ages, stuck in a cycle of self perpetuating fear and hatred,which of course becomes a self fulfilling prophecy - so scared of muslims that when they come face to face with muslims and act all cold, they are met with an equally cold response, which they then take as hostility (nasty muslims). Imagine what the effect of the whole of Islam (all 1 Billion + of them) to seeing the world saying they are evil killers and that they deserve to be wiped out.... they act in the mirror image of what we project. I've met thousands of muslims - some very good friends. Never once have they tried to cut my head of. Hell, never once have they even spoken about religion or tried to convert me. People like Piwi though would have us believe that they are out to convert or kill me.

The biggest fear on here though, usually from the people calling folk like me a conspiracy theorist or a tin hatter, is that actually we might be right. That scares the shit out of them. What if people like Snub went to war, watched his friends die, and it turned out they died and all the horrendous things they saw.... and did....were for nothing more than a rich person wanting to get richer? What if someone like fluke actually has to admit that the regime he has been apologising for and excusing all of his life, with ever nerve and sinew in his body, is indeed just a murderous regime hell bent on genocide. This is the biggest fear I see around here, because with all these people, it calls into question who they actually are. This fear is the ultimate tool that enslaves us all. We are told to Stand up for what we Believe in. We are then told what to believe in and stand up for it. After a few decades, to find out that you were wrong? Scary.

If you look on TV you will see that I was no different to Fluke 3 + years ago. No different in some ways to Necron, Xanax (a hellova lot different from Piwi though - he is fucking insane). Same attitudes and beliefs. It just fell away one day though. I remember when (an article about the ownership of the FED that I read) and knowing that, led on to seeing what a fuck up we have allowed our world to become. Critically, fear replaced with anger, and then just happiness really. No more fear. After 34 years of fear, no more. I can highly recommend it.

So do I think the people who own the US were complicit in 9/11? You're goddamned right I do. Whether it be they did it all themselves or simple knew it was going to happen (which they did, lets not forget) and they simply opened the door and let it happen. They were involved and are sitting in their country clubs laughing at you all, but getting worried that more and more people are waking up, and are not moving on, are not following authorities instruction, and what creates the most fear for them themselves..... we are not afraid, and less and less people are allowing themselves to be dominated by fear every single minute of the day.

**Albert Shagnastier** · 02-08-2014, 09:07 AM

Absolutely fvcking spot on mate - have a green.

**koman** · 02-08-2014, 09:26 AM

Yes, I can see why you guys are so concerned about all this. You live in constant fear and therefor assume that everyone else must also live in fear. Government lurking at our doors, just waiting to nail us.....secret agencies plotting our downfall....corporate vultures looting our wealth....Zionists, Freemasons, and Christ knows what other cultist outfits undermining us..... Terrible way to go through life.

Makes some people become compulsive, obsessive posters on internet forums too....shockingly sad really.

But then we have a glimmer of hope......

Originally Posted by pseudolus

we are not afraid, and less and less people are allowing themselves to be dominated by fear every single minute of the day.

Pseudo and Shaggy to the rescue.....no more fear...thank you, thank you....now we can all sleep peacefully at last. The bogey men have been found out, now we can get the bastards...... lead on Pseudo....

**pseudolus** · 02-08-2014, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by koman

You live in constant fear

No, I don't. Sorry mate, but no.

I wasn't necessarily addressing you though - you seem to have a sensible outlook anyway. You don't buy into the fear islam stuff, you are falling a little for the "we must have a cold war" fear push. I don't know your opinions on a lot of things. However, fight or flight - you seem to be always out right attacking people who doubt official government lines. Not disagreeing, but attacking. Fight or flight - conditioned response to fear.

Could it be that you are a conspiracy theorist? I think you are. A secret, ashamed conspiracy theorist and you WILL be mocked for this.

**koman** · 02-08-2014, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

you seem to be always out right attacking people who doubt official government lines. Not disagreeing, but attacking. Fight or flight - conditioned response to

Not exactly right there Pseudo. I don't usually attack the people who doubt official lines, unless they start up with the typical petty and personal accusations we see all too often in these threads, and provided they take some kind of reasonable common sense approach to the subject.

I do attack the hair-brained stuff they often conjure up to explain things though, and I don't accept that all government is corrupt, or that all politicians are all lying pieces of shit. A great many are not...but those who are get all the attention, and in much in the same way as the bad cop or the bad soldier, they damage the reputation of so many others. Guilt by association.

I often doubt official lines myself, but I don't dive into some fantasy world just because I think the official line has been treated with a bit of "spin", or that some information has been withheld. There are reasons for these actions, but unless one has seen this kind of thing from the inside it is no doubt difficult to appreciate the why's and wherefores.

Just to be clear (as Obama would say...

**pseudolus** · 02-08-2014, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by koman

I often doubt official lines myself,

Ohhh you Tin Hatter you. You will be mocked.

**bsnub** · 02-08-2014, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

I don't know your opinions on a lot of things. However, fight or flight - you seem to be always out right attacking people who doubt official government lines.

If you want to get to know the dirty bird a little better check out the OWS thread. Its a teakdoor classic. While Koman and I have agreed on a couple of things of late we usually are polar opposites.

Koman is an ardent supporter of big business and is still under the illusion that there is a free market. I could go on, but I would suggest diving into the OWS thread. It is good reading. Just put Boon Mee on ignore first so you can skip all of his redneck spam.

**pseudolus** · 02-08-2014, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Koman is an ardent supporter of big business and is still under the illusion that there is a free market.

Ahhh - that explains it.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Just put Boon Mee on ignore first so you can skip all of his redneck spam

Never - I miss BM lol

**koman** · 02-08-2014, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by pseudolus

I don't know your opinions on a lot of things. However, fight or flight - you seem to be always out right attacking people who doubt official government lines.

If you want to get to know the dirty bird a little better check out the OWS thread. Its a teakdoor classic. While Koman and I have agreed on a couple of things of late we usually are polar opposites.

Koman is an ardent supporter of big business and is still under the illusion that there is a free market. I could go on, but I would suggest diving into the OWS thread. It is good reading. Just put Boon Mee on ignore first so you can skip all of his redneck spam.

You do me an injustice Bsnub. Yes, I totally support business. Hardly a sinister quality considering I've been in business (big and not so big) for most of my life.

I'm not under any illusions about free markets either. What I'm against is the actions of political forces that want to suffocate business with over regulation and excessive taxation; and with it the very source of most of the nations wealth.

The problem again is that some people always want to take the very worst examples of bad corporate actions, and present them as typical or even universal.

The vast majority of business enterprise is beneficial to the country and it's society.....let's not kill them off because of the Enron's of this world.....OK?

**pseudolus** · 02-08-2014, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by koman

What I'm against is the actions of political forces that want to suffocate business with over regulation and excessive taxation; and with it the very source of most of the nations wealth.

What is a business? It is a piece of paper in a safe, usually in a law firms office.

What do businesses do to People?

Think Tobacco
Think pharma, not just their profits before health, but testing, not properly testing...
Think Food - mass production of food killing millions of people
Think agriculture - wiping out ecosystems for their profit, which will kill the human race in the end.
Think Banks - allowed to create money, lend it, scoop back real money (worked earned) with interest, and if not repaid, getting more money from tax payers, and destorying the lives of the people they lent the fake money to in the first place.
Think Energy
Think a hundred other industries where your precious BUSINESSES have literally destroyed people.

Your loyalties are completely misplaced. Completely, emphatically, misplaced.

Then think....who owns the businesses that destroy humanity for their profit.

Then Think why the people running these businesses do all these things? Bonuses, shares awards, pensions, path to politics and power, ego.

Then Think How can they do it? How can the CEO of CocaCola plunge a whole region of india into drought and famine because they stick a coke factory there? Create 10 jobs, and kill hundreds, and destroy thousands of livelihoods. Why people in businesses employ firms like BlackWater (or what ever they are called now) to kill, hurt, humiliate, dispossess people. Why these people sell their white phospherous munitions to israel?

Money not enough for most, usually it's because they are following share holders orders (more profit, less costs) and they do not actually see what they are doing.

The religion of Business. Just as damaging as any religion in the world. Big business exists for itself and it's share holders, and in the last century more people have died because of Business than anything else. Just as a small insignificant drop in the ocean...100 million deaths were caused by tobacco in the 20th century.

Business OWN politicians and their parties. They do not need protecting. We need protecting from them. 100 Million people in return for the tobacco profits. One industry. You think that these same business interests would not kill 3000 americans for the same chance to make gazillions of dollars?

**koman** · 02-08-2014, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by koman

What I'm against is the actions of political forces that want to suffocate business with over regulation and excessive taxation; and with it the very source of most of the nations wealth.

What is a business? It is a piece of paper in a safe, usually in a law firms office.

What do businesses do to People?

Think Tobacco
Think pharma, not just their profits before health, but testing, not properly testing...
Think Food - mass production of food killing millions of people
Think agriculture - wiping out ecosystems for their profit, which will kill the human race in the end.
Think Banks - allowed to create money, lend it, scoop back real money (worked earned) with interest, and if not repaid, getting more money from tax payers, and destorying the lives of the people they lent the fake money to in the first place.
Think Energy
Think a hundred other industries where your precious BUSINESSES have literally destroyed people.

Your loyalties are completely misplaced. Completely, emphatically, misplaced.

Then think....who owns the businesses that destroy humanity for their profit.

Right; so lets do away with business then..... that should really up the standard of living and quality of life...

Are you really this fucking demented, or are you just taking the piss? Seriously?

So let's see. No Government. No Politics. No Military. No Businesses.. ...Yea, I can see how well off we would be by dumping all of these things.

You seem to be thinking like a Thai with a powerful stereo.....It's either off or on full volume.....

What do businesses do to People? ...Employ them, pay them, make stuff for them, distribute stuff, fix things for them, ........nasty shit like that.....

**pseudolus** · 02-08-2014, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by koman

Right; so lets do away with business then..... that should really up the standard of living and quality of life..

No, lets stop big business dictating what countries do.

Originally Posted by koman

What do businesses do to People? ...Employ them, pay them, make stuff for them, distribute stuff, fix things for them, ........nasty shit like that..

Exactly - people do this. All inventions. All breakthroughs. Everything is done by PEOPLE. We do not need big business starting wars and killing /allowing the deaths of millions of people. Left unchecked, there will only be one business left in the world one day, as more and more merge and come together. Only 6 in Media now controlling everything? 7 or 8 in food controlling everything? Only 5 main players in Oil now? Every year they get tighter and tighter, dipping into each others markets, until one day we will wake up, and there is only one choice. Work for and consume from One business. Well not us, but perhaps our kids or grand kids. Then you will see how benevolent business is.

You really are a confused man.

**bsnub** · 02-08-2014, 11:27 AM

And we're off!!

**koman** · 02-08-2014, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

. Everything is done by PEOPLE

And what do you think makes up the workforce of a company? People manage it, people do the work, people buy into it and own it. If people did not want or need the goods or services provide by the company it would cease to exist.

Have you ever had a job?.....have you ever bought anything.....have you ever needed medicine......

This is a fucking ridiculous conversation, .....and I'm done with it. I've had more sense out of my dogs and cat FFS.....

If I'm confused, I hate to think of the state your mind must be in...

**pseudolus** · 02-08-2014, 12:19 PM

Who in the world thinks there should be NO companies?

However, only the mentally retarded should think that companies should be able to dictate home and foreign policies of governments, which is exactly what they do.

**bsnub** · 02-08-2014, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

What if people like Snub went to war, watched his friends die, and it turned out they died and all the horrendous things they saw.... and did....were for nothing more than a rich person wanting to get richer?

Let me just state for the record that in numerous posts I have made it clear that wars like Iraq were just bogus false flag conflicts to enrich people like Dick Cheney and others. You will never find a post I made stating anything different than that. It is sadly nothing new. The Rothschild family famously enriched themselves this way and it has been done as far back as the Roman Empire and beyond.

**ENT** · 03-08-2014, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by ENT

Now your song is "Yup, 9/11 was an inside job!.....but we ain't telling how much it was!!!"

How in the world do you form your conclusions ENT? Have you had an chance to glance over those 28 pages yourself....???..

Simple.

As one of the chief apologists and excuse makers for government subterfuge and lies re. 9/11 on this thread, you've shifted from your initial stance of there was nothing to hide to one where there is something to hide, hence the secret service involvement, ergo, 9/11 was an inside job.

Clear enough for you now?

**koman** · 03-08-2014, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by ENT

you've shifted from your initial stance of there was nothing to hide to one where there is something to hide

I really don't recall ever saying there was nothing to "hide", but I've always understood that there would be some information that would be (and should be) withheld in the official investigation and report. We can argue round in circles about "hide" versus "withhold".. but they really can be quite different.

Reports can contain details about operational security.....names of informants and sources of vital intelligence information. All would be compromised if such information were made public.....and to what end? The public does not need to know this kind of stuff, and it serves no purpose outside the domain of the intel community anyway.

None of us know what the classified section contains.....I'm just suggesting some things that could explain the classification. Some people will view anything and everything as sinister just because it's "classified".

Pretty sure if there was anything in it that we should know, it would be released immediately. The Obama administration is incapable of deceiving us you know. He was elected for his forthrightness and absolute transparency.....and he has surrounded himself with a whole army of like minded folks...

**ENT** · 03-08-2014, 09:55 AM

I view the whole 9/11 scenario as sinister because;

a) there was no explosion recorded at Palisades Observatory commensurate with an airliner crash at the Pentagon,

b) Palisades Observatory recorded a series of explosions in the Twin Towers before and as they fell.

c) the whole WTC was immediately cleared out in a hurry without forensic examination.

d) only one of the purported 19 hijackers was ever found, caught or positively identified and prosecuted, then released for the hoax.

e) Gelatine art group were active in the first tower hit, and the videos of that tower purporting to show trapped victims is an obvious bad photo-shop.

f) Videos of purported airliners crashing into the Twin Towers are also not of any airliners fitting any description of an airliner whatsoever, and in the case of the second tower, any videos of the aircraft involved are also photo-shopped sufficient for any one to see that the videos are phonies.

**ENT** · 03-08-2014, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by koman

Pretty sure if there was anything in it that we should know, it would be released immediately. The Obama administration is incapable of deceiving us you know. He was elected for his forthrightness and absolute transparency.....and he has surrounded himself with a whole army of like minded folks...

Pull the other one mate.

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