Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

It's good fun poking holes in half-baked conspiracy theories

" The evidence refuting missile claims includes airplane debris including Flight 77's black boxes,[112] the nose cone, landing gear,[113] an airplane tire,[114] and an intact cockpit seat[115] were observed at the crash site. The remains of passengers from Flight 77 were indeed found at the Pentagon crash site and their identities confirmed by DNA analysis.[116] Many eyewitnesses saw the plane strike the Pentagon. Further, Flight 77 passengers made phone calls reporting that their airplane had been hijacked. For example, passenger Renee May called her mother to tell her that the plane had been hijacked and that the passengers had been herded to the back of the plane. Another passenger named Barbara Olson called her husband (U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson) and said that the flight had been hijacked, and that the hijackers had knives and box cutters.[9][104][117][118]"

Not to mention that the flight recorders from Flight 77 were recovered from the wreckage? This is what was left of the Flight 77 cockpit voice recorder:

Pointless, Tony. ENT has selective deafness.

hmmm, deafness on a forum? I hear what you're saying though.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

There's no way a 757 flew into the Pentagon

Except that's exactly what happened and there's plenty of physical evidence, eye witness accounts, and video footage that all refute the 9-11 truthers' conspiracy theory.

just as there's no way WTC 7 fell into its own footprint due to a couple of small fires

Multiple fires on multiple floors, no water for the sprinkler system, and significant structural damage from the collapse of the towers led to the collapse of WTC7.

But why the obsession with WTC 7? Plenty of other buildings fell down on that day, and they weren't hit by airplanes either. How do you explain the collapses of WTC 3 (Marriott), 4 (South Plaza), and 6 (US Customs) along with St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, Fiterman Hall and the Deutsche Bank buildings?

As for the plane that crashed into a field - again very little to suggest it crashed into the field, but rather that it broke up before hitting the ground (one engine found far from the major crash site - and they don't bounce well).

According to the flight data recorder which was recovered from the wreckage, UA flight 93 impacted at 563 mph (906 km/h, 252 m/s, or 489 knots) at a 40-degree nose-down, inverted attitude. There is no evidence whatsoever that the aircraft broke up or was shot down prior to impact.

Kelly Leverknight, a local resident, was watching news of the attacks when she heard the plane. "I heard the plane going over and I went out the front door and I saw the plane going down. It was headed toward the school, which panicked me, because all three of my kids were there. Then you heard the explosion and felt the blast and saw the fire and smoke."[70] Another witness, Eric Peterson, looked up when he heard the plane, "It was low enough, I thought you could probably count the rivets. You could see more of the roof of the plane than you could the belly. It was on its side. There was a great explosion and you could see the flames. It was a massive, massive explosion. Flames and then smoke and then a massive, massive mushroom cloud."[71] Val McClatchey had been watching footage of the attacks when she heard the plane. She saw it briefly, then heard the impact. The crash knocked out the electricity and phones. McClatchey grabbed her camera and took the only known picture of the smoke cloud from the explosion.[72][73]

Conspiracy nuts like Alex Jones and David Griffin have made false statements about an engine being recovered miles from the crash site.

Well, do you know how far the engine was, actually?

300 yards.


Yep, the engine was found only 300 yards from the main crash site, and its location was consistent with the direction in which the plane had been traveling.

Another half-baked conspiracy theory thoroughly debunked.

Care to try again?

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

Well, do you know how far the engine was, actually? 300 yards. Yep, the engine was found only 300 yards from the main crash site, and its location was consistent with the direction in which the plane had been traveling.

that was not an engine from that plane but a different type completely;

In addition, there were no scratch marks on the engine BUT there was a considerable amount of KY Jelly smeared on the underside

KY Jelly...
Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report - Flight 93

Roving Engine

Claim: One of Flight 93's engines was found "at a considerable distance from the crash site," according to Lyle Szupinka, a state police officer on the scene who was quoted in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Offering no evidence, a posting on Rense.com claimed: "The main body of the engine ... was found miles away from the main wreckage site with damage comparable to that which a heat-seeking missile would do to an airliner."

FACT: Experts on the scene tell PM that a fan from one of the engines was recovered in a catchment basin, downhill from the crash site. Jeff Reinbold, the National Park Service representative responsible for the Flight 93 National Memorial, confirms the direction and distance from the crash site to the basin: just over 300 yards south, which means the fan landed in the direction the jet was traveling. "It's not unusual for an engine to move or tumble across the ground," says Michael K. Hynes, an airline accident expert who investigated the crash of TWA Flight 800 out of New York City in 1996. "When you have very high velocities, 500 mph or more," Hynes says, "you are talking about 700 to 800 ft. per second. For something to hit the ground with that kind of energy, it would only take a few seconds to bounce up and travel 300 yards." Numerous crash analysts contacted by PM concur.

Read more: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - Flight 93 - Popular Mechanics

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

Michael K. Hynes, an airline accident expert who investigated the crash of TWA Flight 800

A few annoying questions raised there aswell

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

Originally Posted by ENT

No nose cone from an airliner was found at the Pentagon, (doncha remember Bush saying the plane vapourised?)

Um, yeah, because let's face it, Bush is such a trustworthy guy and never lies, right?

Are you ignorant of the fact that parts of US Flight 77 were recovered from the Pentagon including the flight data and cockpit voice recorders

"9/14/2001 - Updated 12:26 PM ET
Searchers find Pentagon black boxes
WASHINGTON (AP) — Searchers on Friday found the flight data and cockpit voice recorders from the hijacked plane that flew into the Pentagon and exploded, Department of Defense officials said. The two "black boxes," crucial to uncovering details about the doomed flight's last moments, were recovered at about 4 a.m., said Army Lt. Col. George Rhynedance, a Pentagon spokesman. Rhynedance said the recorders were in the possession of the FBI, and that officials from the National Transportation Safety Board were providing technical assistance in reading any data they contain.
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Besides, there are more witnesses saying that no plane hit the Pentagon, and there are no videos of such a thing happening.

There are plenty of credible witnesses and video footage showing UA Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon on 9-11

Rumsfeld said it was a missile that hit the Pentagon, and the UA airliner over Shanksville was shot down.

Once again, a fellow who lied through his teeth to drag America to war under false pretenses. There is not a shred of evidence to support the half-baked conspiracy theory that flight 93 was shot down.

You are full of fail dude

U iz fulla bullpoop fella...

If that Pentagon camera clip ( the ONLY one released by the Pentagon via FBI out of hundreds of cctv loops seized by them of the event of 9/11/01) is all you have to offer as prooof of an airliner hitting the Pentagon, you need to see a good shrink and lawyer and maybe take some happy pills, chappy.


Watch this;




How many airliner seats were found? Only one?
Black boxes found, ya claim, but no info from them? Hmmmm....

Nose cone? Isn't that in the front end of an aircraft, the end that supposedly smacked in hard into the Pentagon, and survived?


How about this then.....



Then again, here's another story, fat man.

Next we'll have them ranting that Man did not set foot on the moon.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

Originally Posted by ENT

No nose cone from an airliner was found at the Pentagon, (doncha remember Bush saying the plane vapourised?)

Um, yeah, because let's face it, Bush is such a trustworthy guy and never lies, right?

Are you ignorant of the fact that parts of US Flight 77 were recovered from the Pentagon including the flight data and cockpit voice recorders

"9/14/2001 - Updated 12:26 PM ET
Searchers find Pentagon black boxes
WASHINGTON (AP) — Searchers on Friday found the flight data and cockpit voice recorders from the hijacked plane that flew into the Pentagon and exploded, Department of Defense officials said. The two "black boxes," crucial to uncovering details about the doomed flight's last moments, were recovered at about 4 a.m., said Army Lt. Col. George Rhynedance, a Pentagon spokesman. Rhynedance said the recorders were in the possession of the FBI, and that officials from the National Transportation Safety Board were providing technical assistance in reading any data they contain.
"

Besides, there are more witnesses saying that no plane hit the Pentagon, and there are no videos of such a thing happening.

There are plenty of credible witnesses and video footage showing UA Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon on 9-11

Rumsfeld said it was a missile that hit the Pentagon, and the UA airliner over Shanksville was shot down.

Once again, a fellow who lied through his teeth to drag America to war under false pretenses. There is not a shred of evidence to support the half-baked conspiracy theory that flight 93 was shot down.

You are full of fail dude

U iz fulla bullpoop fella...

If that Pentagon camera clip ( the ONLY one released by the Pentagon via FBI out of hundreds of cctv loops seized by them of the event of 9/11/01) is all you have to offer as prooof of an airliner hitting the Pentagon, you need to see a good shrink and lawyer and maybe take some happy pills, chappy.


Watch this;




How many airliner seats were found? Only one?
Black boxes found, ya claim, but no info from them? Hmmmm....

Nose cone? Isn't that in the front end of an aircraft, the end that supposedly smacked in hard into the Pentagon, and survived?


How about this then.....



Then again, here's another story, fat man.

Very simply security cams are for slow moving people not 500MPH airplanes.. End of.. More to the point, they're not high speed cams and have a very limited scope of vision, hell! Half the time they're not even that good for identifying criminals...

Originally Posted by leemo

Next we'll have them ranting that Man did not set foot on the moon.

Exactly.

To end all this back and forth it is suggested that you hark back to the posts Hansum Man dedicated to this topic.

It's all there, boys!

Anyone really interested in seeing thorough research of this topic might want to read two books - The New Pearl Harbor and The New Pearl Harbor Revisited by Griffin. He did a great detailed research, unlike some of the theorists here.

From the book;

"Pentagon was not struck by a Boeing 757: photos of the damage to the outside of the building; lack of suitable debris; lack of video evidence; lack of time-change parts from the planes; no flight data recorder with the correct serial number has ever been produced; lack of a seismic signal of such an impact; the inexplicable C-Ring hole inside the Pentagon; the contradictory eye-witness evidence; the implausibility of terrorists striking the West Wing, farthest away from the offices of the top brass; and the known inability of Hani Hanjour to fly an airliner with the skill required by the claimed 330-degree downward spiral at high speed."

The New Pearl Harbor Revisited: The Definitive Treatment of 9/11 | Global Research

TonyBKK is as logical as a loon, just another believer, a clone, he'd make great cannon fodder.

Originally Posted by ENT

TonyBKK is as logical as a loon,

You mean like General Stubblebine, who was retired on account of dementia, and who famously used to try to walk through walls, on account of being such a true believer in psychic warfare ?
You mean THAT General Stubblebine ? Sheeit ! Your case is so weak that you trot him out AGAIN ?

Originally Posted by Latindancer

General Stubblebine, who was retired on account of dementia,

Got a reliable source to back up your words, maggot?

We've been through all this before. Don't be tedious. Google it yourself.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

We've been through all this before. Don't be tedious. Google it yourself.

No source given to your false claim, pure slander.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

We've been through all this before. Don't be tedious. Google it yourself.

I tried the google way. Not much

Please provide a link, so this can be put to rest

It must have happened like they say, I saw it on the telly.

I guess this means that the last people to wake up to the way the world really works, are going to be the masses that continually elect the evil people who control it. Or more precisely, the people who 'front' the people who control it.

On the Bush interview with ABC (Boston bombings), he clearly started to say "conspiracy" then changed to organized attack or something like that. But "conspiracy" could equally mean "terrorist conspiracy", so I'd give him the benefit of the doubt on that. But he could have meant "another domestic conspiracy" I agree possible. He and all US leaders are clearly adverse to using that word these days.