hmmm, deafness on a forum? :mid: I hear what you're saying though. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Latindancer
Pointless, Tony. ENT has selective deafness.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyBKK
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hmmm, deafness on a forum? :mid: I hear what you're saying though. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by LatindancerPointless, Tony. ENT has selective deafness.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyBKK
Except that's exactly what happened and there's plenty of physical evidence, eye witness accounts, and video footage that all refute the 9-11 truthers' conspiracy theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer
Multiple fires on multiple floors, no water for the sprinkler system, and significant structural damage from the collapse of the towers led to the collapse of WTC7.Quote:
just as there's no way WTC 7 fell into its own footprint due to a couple of small fires
But why the obsession with WTC 7? Plenty of other buildings fell down on that day, and they weren't hit by airplanes either. How do you explain the collapses of WTC 3 (Marriott), 4 (South Plaza), and 6 (US Customs) along with St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, Fiterman Hall and the Deutsche Bank buildings?
According to the flight data recorder which was recovered from the wreckage, UA flight 93 impacted at 563 mph (906 km/h, 252 m/s, or 489 knots) at a 40-degree nose-down, inverted attitude. There is no evidence whatsoever that the aircraft broke up or was shot down prior to impact.Quote:
As for the plane that crashed into a field - again very little to suggest it crashed into the field, but rather that it broke up before hitting the ground (one engine found far from the major crash site - and they don't bounce well).
Kelly Leverknight, a local resident, was watching news of the attacks when she heard the plane. "I heard the plane going over and I went out the front door and I saw the plane going down. It was headed toward the school, which panicked me, because all three of my kids were there. Then you heard the explosion and felt the blast and saw the fire and smoke."[70] Another witness, Eric Peterson, looked up when he heard the plane, "It was low enough, I thought you could probably count the rivets. You could see more of the roof of the plane than you could the belly. It was on its side. There was a great explosion and you could see the flames. It was a massive, massive explosion. Flames and then smoke and then a massive, massive mushroom cloud."[71] Val McClatchey had been watching footage of the attacks when she heard the plane. She saw it briefly, then heard the impact. The crash knocked out the electricity and phones. McClatchey grabbed her camera and took the only known picture of the smoke cloud from the explosion.[72][73]
Conspiracy nuts like Alex Jones and David Griffin have made false statements about an engine being recovered miles from the crash site.
Well, do you know how far the engine was, actually?
300 yards.
Yep, the engine was found only 300 yards from the main crash site, and its location was consistent with the direction in which the plane had been traveling.
Another half-baked conspiracy theory thoroughly debunked.
Care to try again? :chitown:
that was not an engine from that plane but a different type completely;Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyBKK
In addition, there were no scratch marks on the engine BUT there was a considerable amount of KY Jelly smeared on the underside
KY Jelly... https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2013/09/3935.jpg
Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report - Flight 93
Roving Engine
Claim: One of Flight 93's engines was found "at a considerable distance from the crash site," according to Lyle Szupinka, a state police officer on the scene who was quoted in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Offering no evidence, a posting on Rense.com claimed: "The main body of the engine ... was found miles away from the main wreckage site with damage comparable to that which a heat-seeking missile would do to an airliner."
FACT: Experts on the scene tell PM that a fan from one of the engines was recovered in a catchment basin, downhill from the crash site. Jeff Reinbold, the National Park Service representative responsible for the Flight 93 National Memorial, confirms the direction and distance from the crash site to the basin: just over 300 yards south, which means the fan landed in the direction the jet was traveling. "It's not unusual for an engine to move or tumble across the ground," says Michael K. Hynes, an airline accident expert who investigated the crash of TWA Flight 800 out of New York City in 1996. "When you have very high velocities, 500 mph or more," Hynes says, "you are talking about 700 to 800 ft. per second. For something to hit the ground with that kind of energy, it would only take a few seconds to bounce up and travel 300 yards." Numerous crash analysts contacted by PM concur.
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyBKK
A few annoying questions raised there aswell
U iz fulla bullpoop fella...Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyBKKUm, yeah, because let's face it, Bush is such a trustworthy guy and never lies, right? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
Are you ignorant of the fact that parts of US Flight 77 were recovered from the Pentagon including the flight data and cockpit voice recorders
"9/14/2001 - Updated 12:26 PM ET
http://images.usatoday.com/_common/_images/clear.gif Searchers find Pentagon black boxes
WASHINGTON (AP) — Searchers on Friday found the flight data and cockpit voice recorders from the hijacked plane that flew into the Pentagon and exploded, Department of Defense officials said. The two "black boxes," crucial to uncovering details about the doomed flight's last moments, were recovered at about 4 a.m., said Army Lt. Col. George Rhynedance, a Pentagon spokesman. Rhynedance said the recorders were in the possession of the FBI, and that officials from the National Transportation Safety Board were providing technical assistance in reading any data they contain.
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There are plenty of credible witnesses and video footage showing UA Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon on 9-11Quote:
Besides, there are more witnesses saying that no plane hit the Pentagon, and there are no videos of such a thing happening.
3 Minutes of Slow Motion Footage of the Pentagon on 9/11 - YouTube
Once again, a fellow who lied through his teeth to drag America to war under false pretenses. There is not a shred of evidence to support the half-baked conspiracy theory that flight 93 was shot down.Quote:
Rumsfeld said it was a missile that hit the Pentagon, and the UA airliner over Shanksville was shot down. :confused:
You are full of fail dude :chitown:
If that Pentagon camera clip ( the ONLY one released by the Pentagon via FBI out of hundreds of cctv loops seized by them of the event of 9/11/01) is all you have to offer as prooof of an airliner hitting the Pentagon, you need to see a good shrink and lawyer and maybe take some happy pills, chappy.
Watch this;
911 - Proof a plane did NOT hit PENTAGON - Experts agree - YouTube
How many airliner seats were found? Only one?
Black boxes found, ya claim, but no info from them? Hmmmm....
Nose cone? Isn't that in the front end of an aircraft, the end that supposedly smacked in hard into the Pentagon, and survived? :smileylaughing:
How about this then.....
911-What Happened to the Planes and Passengers? - YouTube
Then again, here's another story, fat man.
CIA Insider Tells 911 truth. Time to re-examine your World-view, America! - YouTube
Next we'll have them ranting that Man did not set foot on the moon.
Very simply security cams are for slow moving people not 500MPH airplanes.. End of.. More to the point, they're not high speed cams and have a very limited scope of vision, hell! Half the time they're not even that good for identifying criminals...Quote:
Originally Posted by ENTU iz fulla bullpoop fella...Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyBKKUm, yeah, because let's face it, Bush is such a trustworthy guy and never lies, right? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
Are you ignorant of the fact that parts of US Flight 77 were recovered from the Pentagon including the flight data and cockpit voice recorders
"9/14/2001 - Updated 12:26 PM ET
http://images.usatoday.com/_common/_images/clear.gif Searchers find Pentagon black boxes
WASHINGTON (AP) — Searchers on Friday found the flight data and cockpit voice recorders from the hijacked plane that flew into the Pentagon and exploded, Department of Defense officials said. The two "black boxes," crucial to uncovering details about the doomed flight's last moments, were recovered at about 4 a.m., said Army Lt. Col. George Rhynedance, a Pentagon spokesman. Rhynedance said the recorders were in the possession of the FBI, and that officials from the National Transportation Safety Board were providing technical assistance in reading any data they contain.
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There are plenty of credible witnesses and video footage showing UA Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon on 9-11Quote:
Besides, there are more witnesses saying that no plane hit the Pentagon, and there are no videos of such a thing happening.
3 Minutes of Slow Motion Footage of the Pentagon on 9/11 - YouTube
Once again, a fellow who lied through his teeth to drag America to war under false pretenses. There is not a shred of evidence to support the half-baked conspiracy theory that flight 93 was shot down.Quote:
Rumsfeld said it was a missile that hit the Pentagon, and the UA airliner over Shanksville was shot down. :confused:
You are full of fail dude :chitown:
If that Pentagon camera clip ( the ONLY one released by the Pentagon via FBI out of hundreds of cctv loops seized by them of the event of 9/11/01) is all you have to offer as prooof of an airliner hitting the Pentagon, you need to see a good shrink and lawyer and maybe take some happy pills, chappy.
Watch this;
911 - Proof a plane did NOT hit PENTAGON - Experts agree - YouTube
How many airliner seats were found? Only one?
Black boxes found, ya claim, but no info from them? Hmmmm....
Nose cone? Isn't that in the front end of an aircraft, the end that supposedly smacked in hard into the Pentagon, and survived? :smileylaughing:
How about this then.....
911-What Happened to the Planes and Passengers? - YouTube
Then again, here's another story, fat man.
CIA Insider Tells 911 truth. Time to re-examine your World-view, America! - YouTube
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by leemo
To end all this back and forth it is suggested that you hark back to the posts Hansum Man dedicated to this topic.
It's all there, boys! :D
Yeh, right,...so take a look at this video.Quote:
Originally Posted by FloridaBorn
NEW 9-11 VIDEO MISSILE STRIKE PENTAGON - YouTube
The purported plane could not have been doing 500mph ASL, and both AA Flt11 and AA Flt77 did not leave the ground that day.
But of course, if your glorious leader Dubya says so, ....AA Flt77 vapourized.......:)
even though Rumsfeld said it was a missile that hit the Pentagon, and that the UA Flt 93 over Shanksville was shot down, and dear old Dick Cheney confessed to giving the order to do so....:confused:
Here's Rumsfeld telling us about the missile,..
DONALD Rumsfeld pours out word from his mouth by mistake. - YouTube
Here's Cheney letting it slip about shooting down UA FLt 93.....
Cheney admits he gave the order to shoot down Flight 93 - YouTube
What airliner?
LEAKED 9/11 ANNIVERSARY PENTAGON CRUISE MISSILE FOOTAGE WITH ANALYSIS - YouTube
And here's Dubya more or less admitting 9/11 was a conspiracy,
George W Bush Practically Admits 9/11 was a 'Conspiracy' Plot - YouTube
Anyone really interested in seeing thorough research of this topic might want to read two books - The New Pearl Harbor and The New Pearl Harbor Revisited by Griffin. He did a great detailed research, unlike some of the theorists here.
From the book;
"Pentagon was not struck by a Boeing 757: photos of the damage to the outside of the building; lack of suitable debris; lack of video evidence; lack of time-change parts from the planes; no flight data recorder with the correct serial number has ever been produced; lack of a seismic signal of such an impact; the inexplicable C-Ring hole inside the Pentagon; the contradictory eye-witness evidence; the implausibility of terrorists striking the West Wing, farthest away from the offices of the top brass; and the known inability of Hani Hanjour to fly an airliner with the skill required by the claimed 330-degree downward spiral at high speed."
The New Pearl Harbor Revisited: The Definitive Treatment of 9/11 | Global Research
Could you let me have the time frame that actually shows a 757 jet airliner in this video as I have watched it several times and still cannot see anything that resembles a plane. This is one of the most secure buildings in the USA and that is the best footage of a supposed attack they have ?Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyBKKUm, yeah, because let's face it, Bush is such a trustworthy guy and never lies, right? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
Are you ignorant of the fact that parts of US Flight 77 were recovered from the Pentagon including the flight data and cockpit voice recorders
"9/14/2001 - Updated 12:26 PM ET
http://images.usatoday.com/_common/_images/clear.gif Searchers find Pentagon black boxes
WASHINGTON (AP) — Searchers on Friday found the flight data and cockpit voice recorders from the hijacked plane that flew into the Pentagon and exploded, Department of Defense officials said. The two "black boxes," crucial to uncovering details about the doomed flight's last moments, were recovered at about 4 a.m., said Army Lt. Col. George Rhynedance, a Pentagon spokesman. Rhynedance said the recorders were in the possession of the FBI, and that officials from the National Transportation Safety Board were providing technical assistance in reading any data they contain.
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There are plenty of credible witnesses and video footage showing UA Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon on 9-11Quote:
Besides, there are more witnesses saying that no plane hit the Pentagon, and there are no videos of such a thing happening.
3 Minutes of Slow Motion Footage of the Pentagon on 9/11 - YouTube
Once again, a fellow who lied through his teeth to drag America to war under false pretenses. There is not a shred of evidence to support the half-baked conspiracy theory that flight 93 was shot down.Quote:
Rumsfeld said it was a missile that hit the Pentagon, and the UA airliner over Shanksville was shot down. :confused:
You are full of fail dude :chitown:
Also Boeing the manufacturer of the plane also say that the plane exceeded the operating speed limits of the plane and should have crashed due to the plane breaking up.
The person that trained the alleged hijacker who you say flew this plane into the Pentagon also claims that that he couldn't fly a single engined Cessna plane never mind a 757 multi engined jet liner.
An experienced pilot with over 6000 hours of flying this very plane says that he couldn't fly the plane in the way that the Government is saying the hijacker did so again ?
You say they recovered the nose cone from the plane ? Are you telling me a lightweight aluminium nose cone that has just punched through five steel reinforced walls of the pentagon survived this to be recovered ?
Do the wings on a 757 now fold back upon impact so the whole of the aircraft can disappear into a tiny circular whole ?
Why isn't there a SINGLE CCTV picture of any of the alleged hijackers boarding the planes ? NOT ONE ?
As I have said before there are just too many first in this episode to make it happen as we are all being told it did.
TonyBKK is as logical as a loon, just another believer, a clone, he'd make great cannon fodder.
You mean like General Stubblebine, who was retired on account of dementia, and who famously used to try to walk through walls, on account of being such a true believer in psychic warfare ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
You mean THAT General Stubblebine ? Sheeit ! Your case is so weak that you trot him out AGAIN ?
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Got a reliable source to back up your words, maggot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Latindancer
We've been through all this before. Don't be tedious. Google it yourself.
No source given to your false claim, pure slander.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latindancer
:bsflag:
I tried the google way. Not muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Latindancer
Please provide a link, so this can be put to rest
The Rumsfeld 'fumble' can in no way be explained logically. Since the official story refers in no way to any planes being shot down, why would he say the "plane shot down over Pennsylvania" unless that was what actually happened to it.
For the life of me, I cannot understand why any American (regardless of political persuasion) would be satisfied with the farcical official story they've been fed over 9/11. In a country that led the world with considerable honor for so many years, and was a nation to which so many others found inspiring, it baffles me how they've completely lost the plot - in this and so many other ways.
The only conclusion I can arrive at, about the absolute adherence to accept the nonsense about 9/11 and box cutters and imploding buildings and the most defended building in the world hit with a precise 2nd story hole the size of my garage (and believe it was a 757 passenger jet) is simple. They cannot and will not believe what is in front of their face. It doesn't compute - and so they divert their eyes. To look at this rationally would bring them dangerously close to losing their familial compass - everything they were taught from parents and school, everything they believed in - it would all suddenly and tragically become a lie - propaganda from childhood. It would upset their comfort zone and their entire world. It cannot and will not be considered. That's the only answer I can come up with.
It must have happened like they say, I saw it on the telly.
I guess this means that the last people to wake up to the way the world really works, are going to be the masses that continually elect the evil people who control it. Or more precisely, the people who 'front' the people who control it.
On the Bush interview with ABC (Boston bombings), he clearly started to say "conspiracy" then changed to organized attack or something like that. But "conspiracy" could equally mean "terrorist conspiracy", so I'd give him the benefit of the doubt on that. But he could have meant "another domestic conspiracy" I agree possible. He and all US leaders are clearly adverse to using that word these days.
Seen it all before, same old smoke and mirrors conspiracy theories with no basis in fact and common sense applied.. Let alone real technological basis.. I'm more sensible than that as is most of the population. FYI He's your glorious leader, to me he's just another politician only he happened to be the president at the time..Quote:
Originally Posted by ENTYeh, right,...so take a look at this video.Quote:
Originally Posted by FloridaBorn
NEW 9-11 VIDEO MISSILE STRIKE PENTAGON - YouTube
The purported plane could not have been doing 500mph ASL, and both AA Flt11 and AA Flt77 did not leave the ground that day.
But of course, if your glorious leader Dubya says so, ....AA Flt77 vapourized.......:)
even though Rumsfeld said it was a missile that hit the Pentagon, and that the UA Flt 93 over Shanksville was shot down, and dear old Dick Cheney confessed to giving the order to do so....:confused:
Here's Rumsfeld telling us about the missile,..
DONALD Rumsfeld pours out word from his mouth by mistake. - YouTube
Here's Cheney letting it slip about shooting down UA FLt 93.....
Cheney admits he gave the order to shoot down Flight 93 - YouTube
What airliner?
LEAKED 9/11 ANNIVERSARY PENTAGON CRUISE MISSILE FOOTAGE WITH ANALYSIS - YouTube
And here's Dubya more or less admitting 9/11 was a conspiracy,
George W Bush Practically Admits 9/11 was a 'Conspiracy' Plot - YouTube
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Originally Posted by The Big Fella
Are you being intentionally obtuse? Oh yes, I get it, makes it easier to be in denial that way. See quote above..Quote:
Very simply security cams are for slow moving people not 500MPH airplanes.. End of.. More to the point, they're not high speed cams and have a very limited scope of vision, hell! Half the time they're not even that good for identifying criminals...