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Have land, but use it for the wife's pet orchard trees and flower garden.Will buy land as it comes avialable from farmers whos debt exceeds their income, only 4 rai now. The way the agriculture business is going with the new organization in charge looks like those super fund price supports are gone for now. All those new cars, trucks and tractors all going back to dealers and banks.

Somchai has gone fishing if that's any indication of the nations farming community health. We don't comment wishing ill winds to befall anyone. Hopefully we add some information for thought and insight into the community.

Being poor in Thailand is a national way of life except for the 1%. Thailand will soon advance into the era of massive industrial farming with Chinese leading their way forward. Chinese buying up Thailand till there's no turning back and no tomorrow for the future independent Thai farmer.

Originally Posted by ltnt

Chinese buying up Thailand till there's no turning back

The Chinese are buying every hard asset they can find worldwide. They have got to turn their profits/fiat "invested" in the US markets into something real that has value.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by farmerjohn

all you doom merchants, got anything growing in the wifes land?

Not me. She ain't got any land other than what the house is built on.

Yeah Pragmatic as you have already seen with our house which you have already seen we are both(wisely) in the same boat , Yasojack describes it as a " Mud hut" in his "racist thread" maybe you could set him straight

^ My apologies for repeating myself but a litre of my vintage Pineapple wine often brings this malady on

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Yasojack describes it as a " Mud hut" in his "racist thread" maybe you could set him straight

I'd be happy to oblige Piwanoi. Who's he posting under these days?

Originally Posted by ltnt

Have land, but use it for the wife's pet orchard trees and flower garden.Will buy land as it comes avialable from farmers whos debt exceeds their income, only 4 rai now. The way the agriculture business is going with the new organization in charge looks like those super fund price supports are gone for now. All those new cars, trucks and tractors all going back to dealers and banks.

Somchai has gone fishing if that's any indication of the nations farming community health. We don't comment wishing ill winds to befall anyone. Hopefully we add some information for thought and insight into the community.

Being poor in Thailand is a national way of life except for the 1%. Thailand will soon advance into the era of massive industrial farming with Chinese leading their way forward. Chinese buying up Thailand till there's no turning back and no tomorrow for the future independent Thai farmer.

Independent Thai agriculture is probably healthier, and growing, than it has been in years - actually.

Farmers, as a collective entity, are beginning to find that they can be productive and make a decent living without the unnecessary debt that many incur for themselves - enslaved. An emerging mindset to not be dependent on corrupt aggie banking systems and the unnecessary requirement for modern equipment might be creating a new class of farming community across the board.

If the new boys can step in and monitor the between parties that act as agricultural/horticultural mafias.....[not that they will completely] and open up the suppressive markets, it might be a new day for Thai agriculture.

Thai food exports ‘to reach US$31 billion in 2014’
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Monday, 23 December 2013 04:00
Thailand’s food exports are expected to touch US$31bn in 2014, a seven per cent increase from the previous year, according to Thai Chamber of Commerce
thai fruits-ezran kamal sxc.huThailand is a leading provider of variety of fruits and vegetables. (Image source: Ezran Kamal/sxc.hu)
Isara Vongkusolkit, chairman of the Thai Chamber of Commerce, said, “Food shipments are predicted to total over US$31bn, a growth rate that should surpass the economy as a whole.”
China, which has seen shortfalls in its own rice production because of bad weather and industrial contamination, recently agreed to source one million tonnes of rice from Thailand to close the gap in feeding its population of over 1.35bn people.
“Food sector exports have managed better growth than other industries such as electronics and electrical appliances,” Vongkusolkit added.
Thailand is reportedly among the world’s leading suppliers of staple commodities such as rice, sugar and cassava, and also a leading provider of fresh and canned fish, shrimp, pineapple, rubber and a variety of fruits and vegetables
Meanwhile, the exports of shrimp were reduced dramatically this year because of an outbreak of early mortality syndrome (EMS). However, effective measures have been put in place to curb the spread of the disease, official sources said.
“Shrimp output and exports are expected to rebound in 2014, driving higher growth in Thai food exports.”
About 60 per cent of the country’s exports are to Asian countries. The EU and US markets account for 13 per cent each, Bangkok Post reported.


Australia a net importer of food


A truth, not liked by the west, small farmers can live here and in SEA, I can grow rubber in north Australia, they used to grow it in Florida US.
Rules, regulations, laws and taxes stop you, people living on welfare could be independent.
Rural Thais have homes, not great, but better than living under a bridge, they live, no welfare. Wouldn't say hard workers, but not hunting in trash for food.
Would you rather be homeless, broke in NY or here with 10 or 20 rai of crown land to live off.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Thailand is a leading provider of variety of fruits and vegetables

Originally Posted by jamescollister

China

and aquaculture when the railways are sorted

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by farmerjohn

all you doom merchants, got anything growing in the wifes land?

Not me. She ain't got any land other than what the house is built on.

Yeah Pragmatic as you have already seen with our house which you have already seen we are both(wisely) in the same boat , Yasojack describes it as a " Mud hut" in his "racist thread" maybe you could set him straight

Have a butchers at his post 42 page 2 in "are you a racist" also he's lying cos I never wrote I had spent 1.5 million on the refurb, I said about a Million ,it gets some what tiresome cos he's now mentioned that I live in a hovel at least 3 times ,WTF were I live and who I live with has anything to do with the thread is for me somewhat of a mystery .

Yeah, I looked at post 42 on 'are you a racist' but it I find it hard to correct Yaso as I believe he 'flounced' and no longer post on 'Teakdoor'. Or is he posting under another name?

It appears I'm wrong, 'Yaso' is back posting. If he cares to repeat the accusation that you live in a 'mud hut' I'll gladly correct him. Obviously 'Yaso' sees things differently to me. I thought everyone knew that farangs, who live in our part of the world, live in straw huts?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Yeah, I looked at post 42 on 'are you a racist' but it I find it hard to correct Yaso as I believe he 'flounced' and no longer post on 'Teakdoor'. Or is he posting under another name?

Its Yaso all right, back from a long absence , no doubt about it as he's come out with the mud hut gibe three times in the past ,I can take a joke as good as any one but when its the same bollocks 3 or 4 times it gets a wee bit tiresome especially when it has FA to do with the thread

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

It appears I'm wrong, 'Yaso' is back posting. If he cares to repeat the accusation that you live in a 'mud hut' I'll gladly correct him. Obviously 'Yaso' sees things differently to me. I thought everyone knew that farangs, who live in our part of the world, live in straw huts?

Nice one

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Independent Thai agriculture is probably healthier, and growing, than it has been in years - actually.

Sure it is. Family just harvested their corn crop on 10 rai...5 baht per kilo, total 48,000 baht received for total crop harvest. After costs for seed, chemicals, fertilizers, labor help, no personal time, cost of fuel to and from, meals, etc. she reckons a 20,000 baht profit.

Rice fields flooded some for the third time this year. Surplus rice stocks sitting rotting in the government barns. 7% increase in exports, GDP projected to be 1% or less.
Keep dreaming folks.

Originally Posted by ltnt

no personal time

That's the part that winds me up, in that they (Thai) do not include their 'own time' working when accounting.

Originally Posted by ltnt

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Independent Thai agriculture is probably healthier, and growing, than it has been in years - actually.

Sure it is. Family just harvested their corn crop on 10 rai...5 baht per kilo, total 48,000 baht received for total crop harvest. After costs for seed, chemicals, fertilizers, labor help, no personal time, cost of fuel to and from, meals, etc. she reckons a 20,000 baht profit.

Rice fields flooded some for the third time this year. Surplus rice stocks sitting rotting in the government barns. 7% increase in exports, GDP projected to be 1% or less.
Keep dreaming folks.

All doom and gloom with rubber on here, but this post still shows that it is the best cash crop out there (unless you live by a river and do palm). 20k profit on 10 rai, my missus does that with 750 trees in 2 months, at the current shit price of 25 baht per kg, and 6 taps a fortnight rainy season style. Add 50% minimum to that in the cool season post rains.

# Correction on yesterday's cup price. 25.75 baht per kg, not 25.00. Never believe what you hear, until you get the bill in your hand.
# No, not booking my ticket back to the UK yet. Did some calculations yesterday, as output is stunning lately. There is no reason to not expect 2 metric tons output from my 3 plots come october onwards, the cool season and able to tap when we want, ie 9-10 taps every 14 days starting at midnight. That's 50k a fortnight even at these really shitty prices. Oh, if it was just back to 45-50 baht per kg i'd be a very happy bunny. £1k a week!

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by ltnt

Chinese buying up Thailand till there's no turning back

The Chinese are buying every hard asset they can find worldwide. They have got to turn their profits/fiat "invested" in the US markets into something real that has value.

In another decade they will own everything worth owning in Sub Saharan Africa .

^This article from 4 years ago which is just the tip of the iceberg as far as China's rapacious land grabbing African land grab could lead to future water conflicts - environment - 26 May 2011 - New Scientist

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Thai food exports ‘to reach US$31 billion in 2014’
Print Email
Monday, 23 December 2013 04:00
Thailand’s food exports are expected to touch US$31bn in 2014, a seven per cent increase from the previous year, according to Thai Chamber of Commerce
thai fruits-ezran kamal sxc.huThailand is a leading provider of variety of fruits and vegetables. (Image source: Ezran Kamal/sxc.hu)
Isara Vongkusolkit, chairman of the Thai Chamber of Commerce, said, “Food shipments are predicted to total over US$31bn, a growth rate that should surpass the economy as a whole.”
China, which has seen shortfalls in its own rice production because of bad weather and industrial contamination, recently agreed to source one million tonnes of rice from Thailand to close the gap in feeding its population of over 1.35bn people.
“Food sector exports have managed better growth than other industries such as electronics and electrical appliances,” Vongkusolkit added.
Thailand is reportedly among the world’s leading suppliers of staple commodities such as rice, sugar and cassava, and also a leading provider of fresh and canned fish, shrimp, pineapple, rubber and a variety of fruits and vegetables
Meanwhile, the exports of shrimp were reduced dramatically this year because of an outbreak of early mortality syndrome (EMS). However, effective measures have been put in place to curb the spread of the disease, official sources said.
“Shrimp output and exports are expected to rebound in 2014, driving higher growth in Thai food exports.”
About 60 per cent of the country’s exports are to Asian countries. The EU and US markets account for 13 per cent each, Bangkok Post reported.


Australia a net importer of food


A truth, not liked by the west, small farmers can live here and in SEA, I can grow rubber in north Australia, they used to grow it in Florida US.
Rules, regulations, laws and taxes stop you, people living on welfare could be independent.
Rural Thais have homes, not great, but better than living under a bridge, they live, no welfare. Wouldn't say hard workers, but not hunting in trash for food.
Would you rather blr homeless, broke in NY or here with 10 or 20 rai of crown land to live off.

On the money as usual mate..wonder if the illustrious general or PM is ever gonna make good on YS's promise of the fertiliser subsidy for the farmers in southern Thailand..before allocating millions to cut down trees.....nuffin yet down here..bit Shinawatra for the north methinks...Did ALL the rice farmers ever get their money one wonders??

Originally Posted by piwanoi

the tip of the iceberg as far as China's rapacious land grabbing African

The Chinese are paying with the local fiat, yes? Or are they following the western model of slaughtering the natives and putting them in camps to die?

Originally Posted by crepitas

Did ALL the rice farmers ever get their money one wonders??

All paid by the Farmers bank from funds released by the NCOP. Next is payments for flood damaged crops. 2,000baht per rai.
World forecast on natural rubber prices and production is flat through 2025 according to the Rubber Institute. Increases in consumption and production projected in synthetic rubber however.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by piwanoi

the tip of the iceberg as far as China's rapacious land grabbing African

The Chinese are paying with the local fiat, yes? Or are they following the western model of slaughtering the natives and putting them in camps to die?

Sorry but I do not quite follow your drift in regards to China and Africa, are you putting your statement in the present or what happened over a Century ago?

Oh Oh, I suggest you read this article (and then totally ignore it) you write about human rights abuses by the White Colonists over a Hundred years ago in Africa but simply Ignore what is taking place right now in Zimbabwe ,because to say the blacks have fucked the Country up (even though its true) would leave you wide open to accusations of racism by the other left wing PC plonkers on these boards,frankly your's and the other escapism from the truth is fucking sickening to the extreme China puts its stamp on Zimbabwean economy | Zimbabwe Situation