Thread: Rubber trees 101

Originally Posted by crepitas

I guess if I was not such a retired, unenterprising, lazy old fart passive farmer; I would certainly seek finance to set up a buying station on a rai or so of our farmland and all that entails...logically margins are unaffected by rubber price ie will always make money in the longer run..same same all brokers etc ?

Lots of buyers go broke, no guaranteed prices, buy say 10 tons today, deliver to the factory tomorrow, price drops overnight, you lose.
This year prices have gone down regularly, meaning lots of days making losses. Jim

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by crepitas

I guess if I was not such a retired, unenterprising, lazy old fart passive farmer; I would certainly seek finance to set up a buying station on a rai or so of our farmland and all that entails...logically margins are unaffected by rubber price ie will always make money in the longer run..same same all brokers etc ?

Lots of buyers go broke, no guaranteed prices, buy say 10 tons today, deliver to the factory tomorrow, price drops overnight, you lose.
This year prices have gone down regularly, meaning lots of days making losses. Jim

Problem is if the buyer's form a cartel ,what then? , The prices per tonne for Rice I have heard in my area is insane .

Sorry to hear you guys having a hard time but thank you for an insight into real rural life here.

Originally Posted by Bower

Sorry to hear you guys having a hard time but thank you for an insight into real rural life here.

Nice of you to say that Bower, but I am not a Farmer , but being I live among Many Farangs who farm both Rice , Rubber and Cassava ,I think just the same as you .

There may be light at the end of the tunnel, if you can believe any of these guy.


Natural Rubber Market Is Misled By Weak Market Sentiment – IRCo
Posted Date : September 23, 2014In Global Rubber Analytics & Outlook, Global Rubber Market News0


The production figure of natural rubber (NR) produced by nine producing countries under the Association of Natural Rubber Producing Countries which constitutes approximately 92% of global NR production has indicated a drop in supply. For the first half of 2014, the production of ANRPC member countries decreased 1.6% from 4.917 million tonnes in 2013 to 4.837 million tonnes in 2014.
In line with the actual production data for the first half of the year, IRCo estimates that the global NR production for 2014 would be 11.843 million tonnes which is 2.3% lower than the total global production for 2013.
On the other hand, the global NR consumption for 2014 is projected to grow at a higher rate than NR production, supported by the following factors :-
The 4.1% upward revision of China’s provisional annual NR consumption in 2014 from 4.21 million tonnes in 2013 to 4.54 million tonnes (Source: ANRPC Natural Trend & Statistics in August 2014)
China’s import of NR is expected to increase in 2014. As at August 2014, the China’s actual NR import has reached 1,739,378 tonnes which is 16.95% higher than the actual NR import in 2013 (Year to Date)
Steady increase in automobile sales in major markets i.e. China, USA, Eurozone and Japan. Automobile sales for the eight months of 2014 (January – August) in those markets have increased within the range of 4.0 – 7.7% as follows :-
i. China : 7.67%
ii. USA : 5.08%
iii. Eurozone : 4.01%
iv. Japan : 7.01%
Judging from the current global NR supply and demand situations, IRCo estimates that the global NR stocks for 2014 would be within the range of 2.3 – 2.5 million tonnes, way lower than the estimates forecast by IRSG at 3.208 million tonnes (Global Forecasting Service Report: May 2014) and The Rubber Economist at 3.79 million tonnes (as reported by Bloomberg on 18 August 2014).
- IRCo

Fcuk knows why Thais don't form cooperatives and fcuk the middle man off? Well I do really. Thais don't trust each other.

Said the same thing in our village years ago, the PYB looked out me as if i was from a different planet.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Fcuk knows why Thais don't form cooperatives and fcuk the middle man off? Well I do really. Thais don't trust each other.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Fcuk knows why Thais don't form cooperatives and fcuk the middle man off? Well I do really. Thais don't trust each other.

I don't know about the Thai rubber industry but in other areas Thais do form cooperatives.

^The only one that I know of is for milk. And that was only formed so they had a collection point for the tanker. So I'm told.

BAAC is the oldest one i think

They tried forming a co op here a few years ago, locals couldn't organize a piss up in brewery, hiring someone who knew what they were doing, or government help, no way.
People took their rubber [sheet] to a big shed to be auctioned, highest bidder.
Trouble was no one told any of the bigger buyers about the auction, sale day no buyers.
End of co operative. Jim

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Fcuk knows why Thais don't form cooperatives and fcuk the middle man off? Well I do really. Thais don't trust each other.

And with good cause too ,Jan does not even trust her own Sisters !!

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

^The only one that I know of is for milk. And that was only formed so they had a collection point for the tanker. So I'm told.

Buriram agricultural cooperative.



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It's a bank, isn't it?

BURIRAM, 1 May 2014 (NNT) – The Bank for Agriculture and Agricultural Cooperatives (BAAC)’s Buriram Office has approved a new round of loans worth 49 million baht to rice farmers in the province who have not yet received money for their rice pledged with the government.

The loans have been extended to 786 unpaid rice farmers in Buriram for use in the purchase of equipment and other production factors to start the new rice season. These farmers are still waiting for government payment for their rice sold under the government’s rice pledging program that has unfortunately run out of fund. According to the BAAC, the government still owes 3 billion baht to 38,000 farmers.

According to the bank, it has paid 2.6 billion baht in loan to more than 26,000 affected farmers in Buriram, and another batch of 56 million baht is pending approval.

A provincial BAAC executive expressed his belief that the government would be able to find enough money to pay all the farmers. - See more at: ?????????????????? : Forty-nine mil baht loaned to unpaid rice growers in Buriram

^ Yeah its a Bank Alright and from what 3 Farang farmers in my area inform me that due to Thaksins rice scheme fiasco its in deep financial shit .

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by crepitas

I guess if I was not such a retired, unenterprising, lazy old fart passive farmer; I would certainly seek finance to set up a buying station on a rai or so of our farmland and all that entails...logically margins are unaffected by rubber price ie will always make money in the longer run..same same all brokers etc ?

Lots of buyers go broke, no guaranteed prices, buy say 10 tons today, deliver to the factory tomorrow, price drops overnight, you lose.
This year prices have gone down regularly, meaning lots of days making losses. Jim

Very true..swings and roundabouts I guess. Lets hope price bottoms out soon!

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

It's a bank, isn't it?

BURIRAM, 1 May 2014 (NNT) – The Bank for Agriculture and Agricultural Cooperatives (BAAC)’s Buriram Office has approved a new round of loans worth 49 million baht to rice farmers in the province

The bank is one thing, the cooperatives are another.


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Buriram agricultural cooperative
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Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

It's a bank, isn't it?

BURIRAM, 1 May 2014 (NNT) – The Bank for Agriculture and Agricultural Cooperatives (BAAC)’s Buriram Office has approved a new round of loans worth 49 million baht to rice farmers in the province

The bank is one thing, the cooperatives are another.


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Not my ideal of what a community cooperative might be.
Still dependent and controlled by the aggie mafias.

Good hard working farmers need to break free from this disguised crap.

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

It's a bank, isn't it?

BURIRAM, 1 May 2014 (NNT) – The Bank for Agriculture and Agricultural Cooperatives (BAAC)’s Buriram Office has approved a new round of loans worth 49 million baht to rice farmers in the province

The bank is one thing, the cooperatives are another.


The Bank for Agriculture and Agricultural Cooperatives
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Not my ideal of what a community cooperative might be.
Still dependent and controlled by the aggie mafias.

Good hard working farmers need to break free from this disguised crap.

Any suggestions as to just how they do that ?

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Say the dry price is 26 Bt, wet price 20 Bt, that means the have deducted 30% for water. Better to sell dry cup to the Gov. but people, me included are living week to week, bills come in, sell rubber, can't afford to have a few 1,000 kilos laying round drying just to make a few Baht more.

What weight difference is there once the wet cup rubber has "dried"?

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Any suggestions as to just how they do that ?

I am sure Loy Toy may have an insight. He turns plastic into buckets et al and makes a living!

You know the score , Trouble is Oh Oh is that the so called "Aggie Mafia's" have the money ,and sadly quite often the hand to mouth Farmer who is often deeply in debt ,is often inclined to take 70% of the value of his produce now than to wait for 90% of its worth 3 months down the line ,or in other words the take or leave it price offered is more often taken than left .

bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-13/top-rubber-trade-groups-pledge-to-increase-prices-from-2009-low" an interesting read with a little hope on the horizon?

Originally Posted by OhOh

What weight difference is there once the wet cup rubber has "dried"?

That's the money making question, comes out of the tree 60 to 70 % water [liquid latex] stick in the acid, which congeals the rubber. Water is forced out in the process leaving about 40% water content, so soaking wet new cup is around 60% rubber, the rubber drys naturally in the cup.
Most people do 4 to 6 taps before collecting, bottom of the cup will be dryer than the top, humidity and temp will take more or less water from the rubber.
When we used to buy, if it looked wet, we deducted 30% for water, it's a game, if you can guess the average water content you can make money, because you can pay that bit more and get sellers.
Jim

Some better news in GRM (Global Rubber markets), looks like production figures here and in Malaysia are down the first 6 months of this year. Well down. ie end of season surplus/stocks will not be anywhere near as high as predicted.