Thai Dhupp and Princess Joy's Thai House Build

[Thai Dhupp]

I have this but only use if pump fails. A pump bypass essentially. Pressure on incomimg line is the trick. If to low as mine is then almost useless. Also, if to low and your filter needs higher pressure to backflush, then will need to plumb from pump.

Welcome to building your own infrastructure.

Ahh right, that makes more sense - its a fall-back position, not running in tandem?

Our pressure is actually OK but who is to say what we get in the future?

[Thai Dhupp]

Are the two water sources piped separately? It wouldn't hurt to have a valve in both systems just in case you need to balance the system to get the shower perfect. Ie one valve in the tank feed and one in the cold water feed. But even then it will all go awry if the potted plants get wated while you are showering.

probably i dont know what i am talking about, so apologies in advance but... wouldnt the 'constant pressure' option maintain the supply pressure when taps were turned on n off?

Or is 'constant pressure' a whole different meaning in this case?

[mikenot]

Thanks Norton...so that's what this is? I really had no idea. it was growing amongst a banana plantation next to a fishing lake we were using a couple of days ago

I think.. isn't that the bush that adds a splash of colour to so many Mediterranean countries?

No, that is not Bouganvillea, but I don’t know what it is. If you really want to know, there is a free app called plantsnap to identify plants.
In Australia you can get a dwarf variety of Bouganvillea which is sold by the name of Bambino Bouganvillea, I don’t know if that is available here ? It only grows to about 1 meter.
Dragonfruit (pitara) is usually grown up a pole and then out in a radial pattern but at my house in Australia I had some espaliered along the top of the back fence to keep out the neighbors cats......that’s very thorny and worked a treat !

[NamPikToot]

...interestingly NPT, the Thaiwasadu salesman was less impressed with Mitsu and kept bypassing it - could it possibly be something to do with commission potential?!!

Likely, Mitsu have a good engineering rep and as you've already pointed out the salesman prolly has zero tech knowledge apart for the price tag. As VN says the key parts are replaceable and that is usually a good sign.... or could be bad if they are accessible coz they wear quick but in this instance the former.

Taking VNs steer you may want to ask the salepeeps which parts they have replacements for on other models - no or lack of replacement on key wear parts probably points to a disposable piece of kit which usually points to built to a price.

[Norton]

No, that is not Bouganvillea, but I don’t know what it is.

Correct. I know not what it is either. Bouganvillea ref in my post was a suggestion for a thorny hedge..

[dennis4558]

If you put the sand filter before the water tank wouldn't it keep your tank cleaner? Just an idea.

[Klondyke]

If you put the sand filter before the water tank wouldn't it keep your tank cleaner? Just an idea.

No, it will not necesserily. Firstly, the pressure from the city system is not always strong enough to go thru the sand. Secondly, any long water storage in the tank will result in a settlement of residua that always such water contains. And the pump could pull some fine sand pieces from the filter, not so good for its bearings.

Then, it is advisable, to add timely a bit of chlorine into the tank to prevent growing of some bacterias that always can appear with such long storage - and with a unknown water quality either. And the chlorine will pull out some substances (metalic and alkalines ones) from the water. They will actually settle, however, a portion can be pulled into the system, so better to filter it out.

Such sand filter 1 - 1.5 m high standing with a backwashing valves combination (for backwashing every 1 -2 months) can be bought for ca. 10,000 Baht, and it is for your lifetime (almost), shown at many moo baan houses.

[ootai]

TD
Sorry to take you away from all that interesting stufgf about pumps but I went and took a picture of some bougainvillea we have here growing in a pot so I could compare with the picture you showed and they are definately no the same plant.

This yours


And these are from our place






The leaves on the one you showed look thicker than ours. The flower colours vary with pink, white and purple some that I have seen.
Just remember to control the bugger if you plant directly in the ground.
I believe it would make a great protection hedge.

[Klondyke]

This is the Bougainvillea (FuangFaa), so usual and plentiful in Thailand:


https://www.google.com/search?q=boug...ed=0CAgQ_AUoAQ

[Thai Dhupp]

TD
Sorry to take you away from all that interesting stufgf about pumps but I went and took a picture of some bougainvillea we have here growing in a pot so I could compare with the picture you showed and they are definately no the same plant.

This yours


And these are from our place






The leaves on the one you showed look thicker than ours. The flower colours vary with pink, white and purple some that I have seen.
Just remember to control the bugger if you plant directly in the ground.
I believe it would make a great protection hedge.

The pump stuff is very interesting, ootai, and Klondyke's schematic is great for seeing what goes where.

yeah...I can see the plants are totally different. I mainly want the deterrent value, and the blooms are a bonus.

I figured pot-bounding the plantings to help limit aggressive growth.

I asked PJ to ask the fishing lake lady what she planted and I will share here with all.

[Thai Dhupp]

This is the Bougainvillea (FuangFaa), so usual and plentiful in Thailand:


https://www.google.com/search?q=boug...ed=0CAgQ_AUoAQ

Cheers for that Klondyke - really is a fantastic choice of colours, isn't there?

[Thai Dhupp]

Likely, Mitsu have a good engineering rep and as you've already pointed out the salesman prolly has zero tech knowledge apart for the price tag. As VN says the key parts are replaceable and that is usually a good sign.... or could be bad if they are accessible coz they wear quick but in this instance the former.

Taking VNs steer you may want to ask the salepeeps which parts they have replacements for on other models - no or lack of replacement on key wear parts probably points to a disposable piece of kit which usually points to built to a price.

Hi NPT...Seems like everyone favours Mitsubishi - or at least if they have anything other that's good (or maybe not so good) they are not telling!!

The point mentioned by you and VN about spares is really valid and again. Mitsu spares are available IF needed.

Seems like that Mitsu unit can do all I need and its a reasonable price compared to Thaiwasadu salesman's 'recommendations'!!

hehe looks like... we go mitsu!!

[ootai]

TD
Of course the pump stuff is interesting and the schematic is very good, once again a picture is worth a thousand words and usually less confusing.
We have an ITC GX series pump connected to our tank to provide water to our taps and showers. It is a Japanese brand and has been going strong since we built the house so 8 years now and we have had to do nothing to it so far.

I have a question though, not really for you but for the others who have contributed, and that is what does the sand filter actually filter out?
Does it only filter larger sediment type material or will it also filter iron and calcium etc?
Do you need another filter for those?

As for having a deterrent wall of bougainvillea, do you want protection at the bottom because if you plant in pots there will be a gap at that level.

Also when I was at Do Home the other day I had a look at the tanks same as we have and there were 4 different colours available.
What type of tank have you decided on?

Cheers

[dennis4558]

No, it will not necesserily. Firstly, the pressure from the city system is not always strong enough to go thru the sand. Secondly, any long water storage in the tank will result in a settlement of residua that always such water contains. And the pump could pull some fine sand pieces from the filter, not so good for its bearings.

Then, it is advisable, to add timely a bit of chlorine into the tank to prevent growing of some bacterias that always can appear with such long storage - and with a unknown water quality either. And the chlorine will pull out some substances (metalic and alkalines ones) from the water. They will actually settle, however, a portion can be pulled into the system, so better to filter it out.

Such sand filter 1 - 1.5 m high standing with a backwashing valves combination (for backwashing every 1 -2 months) can be bought for ca. 10,000 Baht, and it is for your lifetime (almost), shown at many moo baan houses.

Thanks Klondyke for the info, good to get input from someone with experience.

[Klondyke]

I have a question though, not really for you but for the others who have contributed, and that is what does the sand filter actually filter out?
Does it only filter larger sediment type material or will it also filter iron and calcium etc?
Do you need another filter for those?

What is sedimented is laying at the bottom - unless whirled up. Perhaps, it can influence chemically somehow the water after long standing there. Then of course the sand will filter it out. River quarz sand is good suitable for that.

As of iron and calcium, it will sediment once exposed to oxygen. Iron faster, heavy metals (manganins, etc) slower. An addition of anorganic chlorine will speed up the oxidation. The oxids (rusts) will too settled and lay down at the bottom. Some portion of it (not sedimented) will be filtered by the sand.

If a strongly ironized and alkaline water from a drilled well - after pumping out can be tested in a bucket by addition of chlorine, whether the originally clear water will turn in a rusty slops. If yes, it's a good and simple procedure to have a separate tank for sedimenting (once a time in batch, not continuously) before it's led to the system. Otherwise the sand will be fully blocked very fast by the fine rust that hasn't time enough to sediment.

More about my successful fight with my extreme ironized water can be found in my thread of affordable swimming pool.

[Klondyke]

I asked PJ to ask the fishing lake lady what she planted

Did you mean "planting a fish"?
Then every correct mansion has to have a koi fish pool, example:




If a fish for eating then a plaa nin (tilapia)...

[Thai Dhupp]

Outer doors

...so now the 'dragon doors' got delivered Christmas week, and are ready to fit. Here's a sneak preview.

I know not everyone will like them but she set her lil heart on them. gotta let her choose some thing, right!?












These ones are going in the upper doorway out onto the balcony



These two pairs for the 2 downstairs doorways out into zone 2

[NamPikToot]

Outer doors

...so now the 'dragon doors' got delivered Christmas week, and are ready to fit. Here's a sneak preview.

I know not everyone will like them but she set her lil heart on them. gotta let her choose some thing, right!?

TD tell PJ i like them, are they clear top coated? just a thought as the environment is pretty hostile for paint in Thailand

[Thai Dhupp]

Did you mean "planting a fish"?
Then every correct mansion has to have a koi fish pool, example:




If a fish for eating then a plaa nin (tilapia)...

Lol Klondyke.. she likes fish but even she would not eat koi....

Beautiful, an we will have a Koi pool for sure... that's way down on about stage 10 I think!!

I was referring to that mystery bush with the thorns picture , which i posted a while back.

Maybe the lady who owns the fishing lake and who planted it will know...

[Thai Dhupp]

TD tell PJ i like them, are they clear top coated? just a thought as the environment is pretty hostile for paint in Thailand

I believe they are... the supply company spent ages doing the finishing (delayed delivery twice) ...I will have to check to be sure.

As I said...this is 100% her .baby'. (PJ=Senior VP in charge of Doors)

[Thai Dhupp]

Oh, and Klondyke... thanks for all your useful input and information-sharing re pumps, sediment, tanks, filters etc.

I think quite a few of us have learnt something from your knowledge and postings - thanks very much.

TD

[Thai Dhupp]

Boundary wall preparation - piling 1

[Thai Dhupp]

Boundary wall preparation -piles 2

[Klondyke]

^
"Mr. TD, build up the wall!!!"

[Norton]

^
"Mr. TD, build up the wall!!!"

And get your neighbor to pay for it.