Thread: Finally the Aus Goverment have started showing some balls!

saturday morning paper some female green senator is jumping up and down about the kids.
country is going to shit

Originally Posted by corvettelover

Don't fret the bleeding heart do gooders will tell the world if one of these Que jumpers gets hurt.

Worst part is the gov will be short lived at next election so that mongrel Abbot will have to deal with it, he is a fence sitter to busy bagging Gillard and bringing Australia into the world press.

Yes I must agree, Abbot is a truly disturbing character Indeed, Much to busy bagging Gillard and very short on alternative policy.

Very much like Mid responding to our problem by bagging me but offering fuk all towards a solution.

I don't mind a decent debate but fence sitters are worth fuk all and we can see this as Mid has foked off and run the minute mile in 50 seconds.


Update.

Today the government has flown in extra police officers, the plane transfer expected to begin on Monday.

Good on you Gillard, hold firm and maybe you wont be arse holed in the next election.

Originally Posted by corvettelover

Saturday morning paper, some female Green Senator is jumping up and down about the kids, country is going to shit

Not a problem, she's pissing in the wind, the Liberals are grasping at straws.

More the Liberals cry the stronger Gillard gets.

obviously got under your skin terry and rightly so , I've neither foked off nor am I a fence sitter

I am very much in disagreement with your proposed course of action as are the large , up to now silent , majority of right thinking Australians

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Mid,

I have no problem with you as you are an intelligent fellow and pen some very good posts.

I respect your stance and I realize you are extremely worried about the future of the Children but you must also realize that Australia is teetering on the brink of an all out invasion of Illegal boat people.

We must take affirmative action as this influx is getting out of control, the smugglers are taking advantage of Australia's soft stance and our human rights issue.

Be well assured the children will be protected.

Originally Posted by terry57

Australia is teetering on the brink of an an all out invasion of Illegal boat people.

Total bull shit , the FACT is Australia has a minuscule number of the worlds refugees

The majority by a country mile are in West Bank + Gaza .

Refugee Council of Australia

Australia isn't even in the top dozen .

meanwhile there is also opposition in Malaysia ..................

‘No’ to child refugees in Malaysia
Stephanie Sta Maria
August 6, 2011

Both the Malaysian and Australian governments, are being slammed for allowing '13 unaccompanied children' to be transferred to Malaysia under the refugee swap deal.



PETALING JAYA: News that 19 minors will be among the first batch of refugees to arrive in Malaysia from Australia on Sunday has sparked outrage against the governments of both countries.

The boatload of 54 Afghan refugees that was intercepted in Australian waters earlier this week are currently in Christmas Island.

They are expected to board a flight to Kuala Lumpur by tomorrow.

On Thursday night two senior Malaysian police officers flew into Christmas Island to inspect the process of selecting asylum-seekers for transfer.

The refugee swap deal between both countries was signed on July 25 amid strong protests that refugees arriving in Australia would be sent to a country with a shocking human rights record.

To date neither government has released any further information on where the refugees will be staying upon arrival in Kuala Lumpur or how they will seek employment and so forth.

There was also a glaring omission of children – accompanied or unaccompanied – in the agreement.

Therefore the latest announcement that a group of minors – 13 of whom are unaccompanied – will be part of this first group here has intensified criticism of the deal.

Suaram Project Coordinator, Andika Abdul Wahab, lamented that the biggest problem is that no one knows anything about the deal.

“The governments have said that the refugees will be placed in a community cente here but where is that centre?”

“Even our colleagues in Australia are in the dark.

“So there is a strong possibility that these 54 refugees will be temporarily placed in a detention centre instead,” he said.

Malaysia tight-lipped

Andika said Suaram was against the whole swap deal.

“Suaram is against this deal in its entirety because as long as these people are human they have their rights and Australia is in no position to kick them out.

Malaysia on the other hand should treat these people according to the Convention of the Rights of the Child which it ratified in 1995.”

Amnesty International Malaysia, which is closely monitoring the situation, also vented its frustration over the Malaysian government’s refusal to reveal any details on the deal.

“This is madness…The government has been so tight-lipped over everything.

“We don’t even know what time they are arriving on Sunday, whether its a commercial or chartered flight…nothing.”

“And the fact that children will arrive here is extremely very worrying because who will be responsible for their well-being?

“This whole deal is like “batuk di hujung tangga” (to not pursue something wholeheartedly),” said its executive director, Nora Murat.

Human rights lawyer, Andrew Khoo, had earlier told FMT, said that it would take a month for the details of the swap deal to be ironed out and for the arrangements to be fully operational.

But when contacted yesterday a surprised Khoo panned the Australian government for displaying negligence over the protection of children.”

“It is not in their best interest to be sent to Malaysia and Australia should have shown more moral and legal responsibility,” he said.

“I’m also very surprised that this first batch includes 19 minors.

“That’s a significant 20% of the boatload and very worrying.”

‘Children vulnerable in Malaysia’

Meanwhile Australia’s opposition immigration spokesman, Scott Morrison, has slammed his government for creating a Catch 22 situation.

Morrison, who had visited Malaysia in June and gave a thumbs down on the refugee conditions here, declared that the Australian government would fail regardless of its next move.

He pointed out that the government cannot give the same assurance that refugees would be protected in Malaysia as they are in Nauru.

“They know children are vulnerable in Malaysia, they know they can’t send them all there.

“And they only have to make one exception for that to become the rule for people smugglers.”

“And the government just doesn’t seem to understand that.

“They think they can just put out a YouTube video and say there won’t be blanket exemptions,” he told ABC news yesterday.

The Australian government will post on YouTube, images of so-called boatpeople being turned away and sent to Malaysia, in an effort to deter asylum seekers.

But Morrison argued: “Children are always going to turn up and they simply don’t have an answer, and the people smugglers will see right through that.”

Meanwhile Australian Immigration Minister, Chris Bowen, has refused to confirm the fate of the minors but said that as of yesterday no decision had been made to let any of them stay in Australia.

freemalaysiatoday.com

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Gaza and the Middle East is not our problem, no use debating this.


Australia has witnessed the Illegal immigration first hand especially what is going on in England.

Its diabolical what has happened to England .

Australia will take refugees but only once they have joined the Que and been processed.

We will not except refugees that pay 10k to jump said Que.

The latest bunch of refugees have been sent to the back of the Que and rightly so.

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Ok, I've read the above cut and paste and its only one journalist opinion.

Means fuk all and as expected paints the Australian government in a bad light but offers no alternative.

Worth fok all.

Mid, how about you giving us your solution instead of posting this shite ?

Originally Posted by Mid

Total bull shit , the FACT is Australia has a minuscule number of the worlds refugees

Absolutely right.

Plus the fact that over 80 % of illegal immigrants fly into Aus.

Still, I guess political spin, media hype, and general ignorance will prevail.

Originally Posted by jandajoy

Originally Posted by Mid

Total bull shit , the FACT is Australia has a minuscule number of the worlds refugees

Absolutely right.

Oh yes, here we have the little JJ weighing in to back up Mid.

For all the people that don't know little JJ he is a Pommy throttler that Tefles ( Teaches ) our natives in Northern Australia and is payed a handsome wedge to do so.

Not foking hard by the way and left to the desperate. 1 +1 = 3.

He is on a very handsome contract that enables him to scuttle back and forth between Darwin and Thailand.

His recompense is payed by tax payers such as my self which he spends in Thailand and is building a house in the middle of " No Where".

Fuk off JJ, You are no where near the level of Mid.

Mid is struggling to pen a decent reason why Australia should not deport the Illegal refugees, he flirts back and forth between emotional reasons but never addressing the big issue.

Actually Mid has not even given the reading public a reason why he should be taken seriously.

There is no reason we can consider his musing credible and far as little JJ goes. ????

What a waste of fuking band width.

As I said, "general ignorance".

EXEMPLIFIED.

Originally Posted by terry57

Oh yes, here we have the little JJ weighing in to back up Mid. For all the people that don't know little JJ he is a Pommy throttler that Tefles ( Teaches ) our natives in Northern Australia and is payed a handsome wedge to do so. Not foking hard by the way and left to the desperate. 1 +1 = 3. He is on a very handsome contract that enables him to scuttle back and forth between Darwin and Thailand. His recompense is payed by tax payers such as my self which he spends in Thailand and is building a house in the middle of " No Where". Fuk off JJ, You are no where near the level of Mid. Mid is struggling to pen a decent reason why Australia should not deport the Illegal refugees, he flirts back and forth between emotional reasons but never addressing the big issue. Actually Mid has not even given the reading public a reason why he should be taken seriously. There is no reason we can consider his musing credible and far as little JJ goes. ????

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A serious topic which is way beyond your debating level JJ.

As usual you trot in with your one word shite.

Fok off back to your Katoey and leave it to the big boys.

Sponging off us Australian tax payers is your game and I would swap a refugee for you any day.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

"The great majority of 'illegals' have arrived legally, and overstayed their tourist, student or other short-term visas. The true extent of illegal entry is unknown with certainty; detection figures obviously reflect only the minimum number. However, it would appear that those who arrive illegally, that is without a valid entry visa, by boat or plane, comprise a relatively small (in the order of 10 per cent) albeit rapidly growing proportion of Australia's illegal population. In recent years, illegal air arrivals have outnumbered illegal boat arrivals, however in 1999 the ratio was reversed, with boat arrivals outnumbering air arrivals.

Read that again. 1999, a fair while back, wouldn't you say?

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Australia has a small number of refugees compared to the USA or Canada, I would not call the actual number minuscule, don't forget we have a smaller population (10% of the USA's ).

Jandajoy, you are just as silly and lacking in credibility to say that 80% of illegal immigrants fly into Oz. Go to the Australian Parliamentary Library website in the section entitled "Some Comparative Statistics" you will see:

Making broad sweeping statements, I suggest you look up the simple statistics and don't misquote them or twist them around. Saying something like that shows just as much lack of proportion as Mid's statement.
And by the way, many of the over stayers leave....they just do it late.

Don't bother with anything JJ says, his credibility has been shattered time and time again on this forum, on the other hand Mid is solid but has got bent out of shape on the children issue.

I can see where he is coming from but unfortunately he is not viewing the big picture, he is blinded by not knowing, realizing or accepting what the Australian government is trying to achieve.

The next call will be : " Australians are baby killers ".

Disappointing really compared with his usual level headed posts.

Originally Posted by terry57

The next call will be : " Australians are baby killers ".

What, like "children over board" or something equally impossible......

Originally Posted by terry57

Mid, how about you giving us your solution instead of posting this shite ?

Because he hasn't got one and his usual shallow understanding of matters follows below....

Originally Posted by Mid

Total bull shit , the FACT is Australia has a minuscule number of the worlds refugees

The FACT is "mid" this has nothing to do with Australia struggling with the number of illegals who want to live there. What happens to the rest of the world isn't the issue and every and all national cares more about their country of birth than outsiders do. (exclude "pupa" in that statement of course)

The only thing that's "total bullshit" was and is your post!

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Fuk me Eh, I rest my case. A fools fool is the little JJ.

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Originally Posted by terry57

Mid, how about you giving us your solution instead of posting this shite ?

Because he hasn't got one and his usual shallow understanding of matters follows below....

Originally Posted by Mid

Total bull shit , the FACT is Australia has a minuscule number of the worlds refugees

I think its fair to say that Australia has a little shitty population of 22 million, a truly small amount for such a large country.

The fact being that the majority of the country is foking dirt, arid and uninhabitable which leaves a little poxy green belt around the exterior.

We just ain't got the room for unabandoned immigration and a quick trip to the East coast will bang that home.

Theres no way we want to end up like England or parts of Europe where the locals cant move because of Illegal Immigrants.

We will end up with our fair share of Immigrants that arrive legally and I wont be posting against them as I will take the good with the bad but the Illegals can fok off in a swift manner.

Take that cont JJ with them.

Originally Posted by jandajoy

general ignorance will prevail.

It sure does !

How blithely he shrugs off facts ....

AFP arrive on Christmas Island
August 07, 2011



Australian Federal Police officers have arrived on Christmas Island as the Immigration Department prepares to transfer the first group of asylum seekers to Malaysia.

The first group of 15 men is expected to be transferred in the next few days.

They are part of a group of 55 people, which includes 18 children.

A group of 38 Federal police touched down on Christmas Island late yesterday, boosting the total number of officers on the island to just over 100.

The officers will be escorting asylum seekers to Malaysia.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has previously indicated the AFP will be authorised to use reasonable force to ensure the detainees board the plane.

Meanwhile, there are reports that some of the asylum seekers bound for Malaysia are on a hunger strike.

The director of Asylum Seekers Christmas Island, Michelle Dimasi, says she got a short phone call from one of the men on Friday night.

"He called me and said that himself and the other asylum seekers were in desperate need of help and that they were in a really bad situation, including the women and the children, and also that they were going to go on a hunger strike," Ms Dimasi said.

But the Immigration Department says it is not aware of anyone on a hunger strike.

It says it is aware of some detainees missing meals, but it could be because they are observing Ramadan.

Ms Gillard says reports of the hunger strike will not change the Government's decision to send asylum seekers to Malaysia.

"Obviously our immigration officials will handle any issues, but as we've made clear all along the returns to Malaysia aren't a question of volunteering, this will be done," she said.

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