Thread: Four US Hostages killed by Somali Pirates

Looking at the broader picture, who are the real pirates and terrorists that plague the world? Some loose-knit rag-tag {albeit well organized and sizable bollocks} Somalis? Something is amiss.

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Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Looking at the broader picture, who are the real pirates and terrorists that plague the world? Some loose-knit rag-tag {albeit well organized and sizable bollocks} Somalis? Something is amiss.

Yeah... The broader picture may help you realise the motivation for kidnapping and murder,
but is irrelevant in the immediate situation, and certainly offers no credible solution.

Somali pirates = Bad guys (operating outside lawful or moral boundaries)
First world navy = Good guys (operating inside lawful or moral boundaries)
Independant and commercial sailors = victims

Concrats, Robby! You're well indoctrinated! Shouldn't feel altogether too bad, you're certainly not alone - to be sure.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Unless the Americans are gonna toruture them and find out their villages for napalm attacks...

Maybe, just maybe they might lie about which village they come from. But hey ho, so what is wrong if the wrong village is hit eh?

They should torture them harder to make sure - then, as long as the villages have a few new cars (clear signs of pirate illgotten gains...) napalm them...

...and what about the innocents in the said villages? Guilty by association, BB? Quite the civilised tact you take.

You cut out the vital words: 'all but'; anyway I just playing devils advocate on that one - we've all seen the napalm images from Vietnam, horrendous - kids with their skin peeling off as they're running away... awful.

Originally Posted by hazz

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by hazz

Its one thing to prioritise the lives if the hostages to the point of killing the hijackers, even if they have surrendered. Its another thing to kill them in cold blood, when there no danger to anyones life, which some seem to be proposing in this thread. History say's this is a dangerous habit for army's to have.... A habit that some on this forum are accusing the thai army of having when the shut down last years protests in april/may.

I can't believed you've compared the two, hazz... I don't think we need to list out the vast differences between the two.

Just as you find somali pirates undeserving of any rights, and it being fair game to:

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

They should torture them harder to make sure - then, as long as the villages have a few new cars (clear signs of pirate illgotten gains...) napalm them...

I am sure that those who sent the army out to kill on 19th May felt the same way about the people that they were attacking. although clearly not as much as you dislike somali pirates, as i don't think the thai air force has been napalming villages just because they have a few red shirts living there.

You cannot say its ok for solders to carry out ex-judicial killings on people you don't like and say its no ok for other's to do the same, just because you do like the people being killed. ex-judicial killing are either right or wrong.
As soon as you start compromising these ideals you end up with regimes with a variety of unpleasant names, with their wars on drugs, wars on terror and wars on long haired men.

When killing the monster, be careful not to become the monster in the process.

Hazz, I can't believe you're going here... as previously stated, the somali pirates choose, as their job, to go searching, far from their homeland, for men, women and children, at random, to kidnap, extort and murder...

The red shirts, are a political group demonstrating in their own capital city after a coup overthrew the elected government.

Hazz, if you consider the somali pirates and red shirt demonstrators to be similar then I'd suggest that somebody has hacked your pc because whilst I don't always agree with you, I think you're a rational, reasonable and intelligent poster.

Now, ignoring your hyperbole... it is not okay for governments to kill political protestors. But, it is okay for soldiers to attack (and yes, kill) mass murderers who have chosen as their career path to murder, extort and kidnap people at random in international waters: chalk and cheese, mate...

If thinking that the American Government should have allowed the family a chance to ransom them out before messing with the pirates is rabid hating of the government, so be it.
Anyone who thinks that politics, and the desire for a needed victory and distraction by the Obama administration had nothing to do with this rescue attempt is thoroughly naive.

^Ransoms, Bob, are running 1-5 million dollars, and the people are in captivity for a year or more. You are the one who is naive if you think the family can come up with that. You have a rabid hatred of the USG, Bob, and it colors all of your thinking. I don't like Obama, or his administration, any more than you do. But, when citizens of a country are kidnapped at gunpoint, their government goes in to try to get them out. Works sometimes - sometimes not. The daughter has already thanked the military folks who put their lives at risk making the attempt. The pirates killed these people while negotiations were ongoing, and before the US military made any aggressive moves. Simply put, Bob, you are a bitter, twisted, sick asshole.

^Looks like we all ready have one.

Originally Posted by hazz

When killing the monster, be careful not to become the monster in the process.

I have it on good authority, that them goddamm Somayliens, have gone and gotten themselves WMD.

We shud nuk'em tomorrow, maybe they'se got oyl as well... its not far from Eyerak and you now all them ayrabs is the same.....George

merkins say the pirates,,,,,'may' be charged with murder.